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OrangeBowlMagic said:
There are 0.0 gator fans who would oppose this deal. Take your Canes glasses off for 2 seconds. Is FSU dying to get Dorsey? Is UF? Is anyone in college? We all love Ken, but the fact that he played here has ZERO BEARING on his ability to be a great coach. And he might be. But he hasn’t proven it as far as play-calling at any level. Why is he the highest on the board? Again, it’s not like we unlock a cheat code if we hire a former player. He’s just a coach like anyone else would be.

Let’s put it this way…..Chris Weinke just took the QB job at GT. He’s coached QBs in the NFL. And at Tennessee. Why isn’t he #1 on FSU’s board? This obsession we have with former players is beyond weird. If anything, prior history should tell us we should NOT hire former players as coaches. They’ve mostly been very underwhelming. (Let’s hope Mario bucks that trend).
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Lol Wienke was QB coach on possibly one of the worst offensive staffs in the NFL the last couple decades. He was almost there the same amount of time he was a RB coach at Tennessee (after he was an NFL QB coach!! Wow what a QB whisperer). Is that really the point you wish to make? The REASON none of those other teams are asking for Dorsey is because they have literally 0 shot at him being their OC at all. Literally zero shot. Dude would only come to college for Miami. That's it. Secondly an NFL team is likely to make him an OC this off-season. So let's not act like he is unqualified after years of being an successful NFL QB coach in which he coached Cam to an MVP season and has majorly boosted Josh Allen. Yet you want to compare that to Chris Wienke? Come on.
 
I'm betting they'll keep Ed around in some capacity if he's amenable.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
I completely disagree with you for the first time in a long time. I think it's more akin to how we got Mario. The 12 game winning, top 10 class recruiting, Rose Bowl wining coach of Oregon isn't going to be interested in coming to Miami in 2021 unless there is a personal connection. That's how we got Mario. I don't think there is another program Mario would have left for. MAYBE Bama. From what I understand he told LSU, UF and USC that he wasn't interested.

I think it's the same with Ken. He's on many NFL short-lists to be an NFL OC next year. Who in their right mind stops that train? I don't think he would entertain a CFB OC position. Unless it was the siren call of his alma mater and Mario. And even then I don't know if we could pull him.

I don't think people here are really understanding how coveted an NFL OC position is. Many think it's the greatest coaching gig in sports. Everyone eventually wants HC money and power, but calling plays in the NFL is as fun as it gets.
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I don't think this is comparable to Mario at all. Again, Mario is a proven coach. He is all the things you said. And I agree completely, we don't get him without the newfound financial commitment plus his connection to the school. No doubt about it. But again, he's PROVEN. And look at the lineage here. We're replacing a first-time proven loser HC with Mario ******* Cristobal. Of course it's a complete no-brainer. But at OC we're replacing a proven OC, who just parlayed his time here into a pretty decent Head Coaching job, with a guy with zero true pedigree? Again, I can't say this enough, I'm not ****ting on Kenny here. If he does wind up getting the job, I don't think it's a bad hire and I'm not going to cry myself to sleep. I just don't think he should be at the top of the list, mainly due to his experience (or lack thereof) and the aforementioned financial commitment.

Lastly, show me these short lists you're talking about. Has he interviewed for any jobs? Why are we just assuming he's going to be an NFL OC next year if he doesn't come here? And even if he does get an NFL OC job, there's no guarantee that he's going to be good at it.

I don't know, for my money (OK, for Jose Mas's money), give me someone I've seen do it at this level. If it's Kenny, great. He'll probably be really good at it. I just don't think any other schools are clamoring for him. And money isn't an issue....Lincoln Riley is making more than NFL HC, I believe. If someone really wanted him, they could pry him out of the league.
 
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re: Dorsey...

Its weird, but I feel if he wasn't a former Hurricane more of yall would be on board. Yeah, no playcalling history, but if you said you were bringing down a QBC/Passing Game Coordinator from a top offense in the NFL that was attributed (in part) to the success of MVP version of Cam Newton and Josh Allen, I think yall would be pretty hype. You've got TVD who is kind of like the latter...and Jacurri Brown who is kind of like the former...maybe I'm fantasy bookin', but that sounds pretty great, idk.

I'd like someone with playcalling experience, too...but fvck it, if Dorsey's gonna succeed as a playcaller, I'd want it to be right here with the good guys. And if he sucks, and he might...at least we took the swing.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
re: Dorsey...

Its weird, but I feel if he wasn't a former Hurricane more of yall would be on board. Yeah, no playcalling history, but if you said you were bringing down a QBC/Passing Game Coordinator from a top offense in the NFL that was attributed (in part) to the success of MVP version of Cam Newton and Josh Allen, I think yall would be pretty hype. You've got TVD who is kind of like the latter...and Jacurri Brown who is kind of like the former...maybe I'm fantasy bookin', but that sounds pretty great, idk.

I'd like someone with playcalling experience, too...but fvck it, if Dorsey's gonna succeed as a playcaller, I'd want it to be right here with the good guys. And if he sucks, and he might...at least we took the swing.
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What if I told you that we could hire an NFL OC and former college passing game coordinator who does have a history of calling plays and sports a shiny National Championship ring?

I'd then tell you his name is Joe Brady. And lastly I'd tell you half this board said they didn't want him LOL.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
What if I told you that we could hire an NFL OC and former college passing game coordinator who does have a history of calling plays and sports a shiny National Championship ring?

I'd then tell you his name is Joe Brady. And lastly I'd tell you half this board said they didn't want him LOL.
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This board is wild west of bad takes. MF'rs just going into the saloon and challenging Wild Bill in the middle of a card game because he's got the hottest takes in the west.
 
BoxingRobes said:
re: Dorsey...

Its weird, but I feel if he wasn't a former Hurricane more of yall would be on board. Yeah, no playcalling history, but if you said you were bringing down a QBC/Passing Game Coordinator from a top offense in the NFL that was attributed (in part) to the success of MVP version of Cam Newton and Josh Allen, I think yall would be pretty hype. You've got TVD who is kind of like the latter...and Jacurri Brown who is kind of like the former...maybe I'm fantasy bookin', but that sounds pretty great, idk.

I'd like someone with playcalling experience, too...but fvck it, if Dorsey's gonna succeed as a playcaller, I'd want it to be right here with the good guys. And if he sucks, and he might...at least we took the swing.
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You know some here will ***** whomever is hired. My approach is give it at least half a season of eye test before starting to form your opinion. I say the same about all off season hype. I have PTSD from way too many years of off season hype and it not happening
 
I graduated HS Chris Partridge here’s what I got on him. He’s from NJ and so if his wife. Mom and Dad still live there. He graduated from Paramus Catholic, our coach was Mike Campenile, and we won State our senior year. Chris came back to coach and elevated the program to national rankings before he left for Michigan. His old coach has 4 sons and combined they have won 17 of the last 20 state championships in NJ. Currently Nunizo coaches at Rutgers, Anthony coach’s with the Dolphins, Vito coaches Bergen Catholic, and Nicky coaches DePaul. Chris’s good friend just got hired at Paramus Catholic also. If he came to Miami we would most definitely get top NJ talent but I think Schiano at Rutgers might be too tempting because of friends, family, and friendly HS coaches.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
There are 0.0 gator fans who would oppose this deal. Take your Canes glasses off for 2 seconds. Is FSU dying to get Dorsey? Is UF? Is anyone in college? We all love Ken, but the fact that he played here has ZERO BEARING on his ability to be a great coach. And he might be. But he hasn’t proven it as far as play-calling at any level. Why is he the highest on the board? Again, it’s not like we unlock a cheat code if we hire a former player. He’s just a coach like anyone else would be.

Let’s put it this way…..Chris Weinke just took the QB job at GT. He’s coached QBs in the NFL. And at Tennessee. Why isn’t he #1 on FSU’s board? This obsession we have with former players is beyond weird. If anything, prior history should tell us we should NOT hire former players as coaches. They’ve mostly been very underwhelming. (Let’s hope Mario bucks that trend).
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[EDIT: I responded before I read another one of your posts, and maybe we have more in common than we think. Regardless, here's my original response.].

Look, I'm not arguing with you, but consider for a moment that the answer to your question is that Norvell has no history with Weinke. And if Coach Prime was coaching F$U and he wanted to hire Weinke because he had a relationship with him, I'm not sure it would be so shocking. It would not be some "UM-only" thing.

Yes, there are some coaches who have performed so well, that many schools will bid for their services, regardless of any past job history or shared employment time periods. And there are also coaches who get jobs due to ongoing relationships with certain other coaches. As just an example, we know that Mirabal and Cristobal have history, and Mirabal is a heckuva position coach. But did any other school toss a bunch of money at Mirabal? And, sure, we can say that "Mirabal wasn't looking to go out on his own" or whatever. The point that I am making is that you can't simply define "desirability" by "suitors" in this situation. It may just be that Mirabal (or his agent) never answer the phone when other schools call.

It's fairly well-known (by us at least) that the only real college job that would interest Dorsey is UM. But given his NFL accomplishments, and given the fact that a lot of schools might try to throw money at NFL guys, it's fairly likely that the only reason that nobody is "dying to get Dorsey" is that he just hasn't responded to overtures or given any indication that he has college interest. And the ONLY reason that I think that "Dorsey to UM" has had ANY traction at all is because Mario knows that K.D. has SOME interest in coming to UM. If Dorsey was a firm "no", this whole trial-balloon thing would have ended already.

That's all. It's not a "case for" hiring Dorsey, or a "case against" extending him an offer. It's just an observation that (a) Dorsey would have more collegiate interest by other schools IF HE WAS ALLOWING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER SCHOOLS, and (b) we cannot conclude that Dorsey's "hey, I'm NFL all the way with ONE EXCEPTION" stance somehow makes him undesirable to other schools. Maybe unavailable. But not undesirable.

Head coaches hire assistant coaches they are comfortable working with. Some guys may have shared history. Some may not. But we have to stop acting like the ONLY job qualification that Dorsey has is that UM is on his diploma.

I understand if some posters want a more experienced guy, and I can respect that. But Dorsey is not unqualified, and he is not getting a job at UM solely because he played for UM.
 
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RedPill Stepdad said:
no actually that makes zero sense. recruiting, experience and longevity get brought up with every potential coach, except dorsey. you saying that a certain coach on a college staff doesn’t need to recruit is laughable.
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Go back and re-read the posts. I can find, literally, dozens of posts where guys have claimed that the OC and/or DC hires do NOT need to be recruiters.

I'm not arguing with YOU. You are entitled to YOUR opinions. But if you think that a ****load of posters haven't been claiming, for weeks, that the coordinators do not need to be recruiters, you are nuts. It was literally one of the primary point/counterpoint arguments about Brady, who has never been known as a recruiter.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Go back and re-read the posts. I can find, literally, dozens of posts where guys have claimed that the OC and/or DC hires do NOT need to be recruiters.

I'm not arguing with YOU. You are entitled to YOUR opinions. But if you think that a ****load of posters haven't been claiming, for weeks, that the coordinators do not need to be recruiters, you are nuts. It was literally one of the primary point/counterpoint arguments about Brady, who has never been known as a recruiter.
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So Dorsey is passing game coordinator for the 11th best passing offense in the nfl. Probably be higher if they didn’t play one game in tropical storm force winds. He has worked with cam Newton and was instrumental in his best season ever. We know he’s smart as ****, works hard and is a great leader. The more I think about it the more I like it.
 
Trav said:
Well, Mario just basically said yea, they do all have to be recruiting superstars.
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Then Mario will not do well here if he hasn’t learned his lesson. Need some good X and O coaches also. Brady doesn’t like recruiting and Mario went after him so apparently your sentence is not correct. I think Mario will choose wisely and do well here.
 
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