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Liberty City El said:
I’m not in favor of Dorsey as OC, but I hope he is the hire.

It’s mainly a projection of what kind of play caller & designer he’ll be, assuming we run the Bills Daboll offense, it’s a question mark as to whether or not it would work at Miami. Daboll’s offense worked at Bama because it’s an NFL style Offense & Bama has NFL OLineman, Miami does not, but either way might as well try it.

My stance was always rooted in the idea that we have an offense that is talented enough & good enough to go on a run this season, but realistically speaking that’s probably a lofty expectations not really rooted in much more than Homerism. I’ve stopped caring about “winning now” & think the focus is about winning for the future, so I’m good with whatever growing pains there may be with the initial offensive change. It’s gonna be long season ahead & it will be filled with ups & downs, hopefully we can just pull out W’s when it matters most.

There are other offenses that I feel are more conducive to a quicker transition with our personnel, but obviously that’s a different direction, so lets just build it from square one & see where we are come September/October.

Regardless of who the hire is, I’m on board, even if I disagree I will not be super critical & I can assure you I won’t say a word. Just don’t hire Ponce or Arroyo’s bum *** & everything’s all good in my book lol.

(And no I’m not joking or being sarcastic or trolling)
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I think that's the mystery with Dorsey. It's hard to say what offense he is associated with.
 
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Liberty City El said:
I’m not in favor of Dorsey as OC, but I hope he is the hire.

It’s mainly a projection of what kind of play caller & designer he’ll be, assuming we run the Bills Daboll offense, it’s a question mark as to whether or not it would work at Miami. Daboll’s offense worked at Bama because it’s an NFL style Offense & Bama has NFL OLineman, Miami does not, but either way might as well try it.

My stance was always rooted in the idea that we have an offense that is talented enough & good enough to go on a run this season, but realistically speaking that’s probably a lofty expectations not really rooted in much more than Homerism. I’ve stopped caring about “winning now” & think the focus is about winning for the future, so I’m good with whatever growing pains there may be with the initial offensive change. It’s gonna be long season ahead & it will be filled with ups & downs, hopefully we can just pull out W’s when it matters most.

There are other offenses that I feel are more conducive to a quicker transition with our personnel, but obviously that’s a different direction, so lets just build it from square one & see where we are come September/October.

Regardless of who the hire is, I’m on board, even if I disagree I will not be super critical & I can assure you I won’t say a word. Just don’t hire Ponce or Arroyo’s bum *** & everything’s all good in my book lol.

(And no I’m not joking or being sarcastic or trolling)
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I'll play.

Even though I 👀....

@RedPill Stepdad made a post about option 1, 2 and 3, I don't feel like looking for it, but I like Dorsey, I wouldn't mind him here. I can bet LSU didn't know what they were getting when Joe Brady came along. He's not my first choice NFL guy that I would want to come here. If I would want an NFL guy, that has never called plays before, I would want Mike Kafka. I know, pipedream. Dorsey helped turn Cam into a MVP, and took Josh Allen to another level.


But Kafka had his hand in helping Mahomes develop and soaked in some great knowledge from Big Red and his playbook. But, it's a pipedream. I think he would do great here as an OC over Dorsey.
But I think Dorsey would do **** good here as well, we just don't know what type of playbook he's bringing in.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I don't think this is comparable to Mario at all. Again, Mario is a proven coach. He is all the things you said. And I agree completely, we don't get him without the newfound financial commitment plus his connection to the school. No doubt about it. But again, he's PROVEN. And look at the lineage here. We're replacing a first-time proven loser HC with Mario ******* Cristobal. Of course it's a complete no-brainer. But at OC we're replacing a proven OC, who just parlayed his time here into a pretty decent Head Coaching job, with a guy with zero true pedigree? Again, I can't say this enough, I'm not ****ting on Kenny here. If he does wind up getting the job, I don't think it's a bad hire and I'm not going to cry myself to sleep. I just don't think he should be at the top of the list, mainly due to his experience (or lack thereof) and the aforementioned financial commitment.

Lastly, show me these short lists you're talking about. Has he interviewed for any jobs? Why are we just assuming he's going to be an NFL OC next year if he doesn't come here? And even if he does get an NFL OC job, there's no guarantee that he's going to be good at it.

I don't know, for my money (OK, for Jose Mas's money), give me someone I've seen do it at this level. If it's Kenny, great. He'll probably be really good at it. I just don't think any other schools are clamoring for him. And money isn't an issue....Lincoln Riley is making more than NFL HC, I believe. If someone really wanted him, they could pry him out of the league.
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So let's assume for this conversation that he is truly in demand by the NFL for OC positions as has been written about by sports writers, etc. I don't go yachting with any NFL owners or GM's and neither do you I assume, so we have to take that leap of faith, ok? Or we have nothing to discuss.

Let's you and I and everyone else also stop applying our own uninformed hamburglar metrics to who should and shouldn't be hired. We're not qualified to pick what kind of nacho cheese they serve at HRS, right? We're fans. Mario has a better grasp about what a good coach is, how to determine how good a coach is, and how to project an up and comer than everyone on this board could know in a lifetime.

But let's even account for Mario being an outlier, as in possibly wrong when it comes to picking the OC. Because hey, it's always still a crapshoot. So the NFL is made up of 32 billion dollar + orgs that have unlimited scouting and talent (staff) budgets. They are also in a finite ecosystem that puts a hard ceiling on demand (there are only 32 teams) while there is a (nearly) endless supply of coaches aspiring to get these positions. If multiple (even two) NFL teams try to hire Dorsey, then the market is telling us a lot about his value and (perceived, by experts though) abilities. That he is one of the 32 best (and probably higher) OC's on earth that are not head coaches yet (yes, maybe a couple of CFB guys are up there, but you get it).

That's it. The market will have spoken and KD will have a market value WAY higher than UM would deserve for OC. He would in fact, be overqualified to be OC here by market metrics. So if he decides to pass on the NFL to come home, its EXACTLY what happened with Mario. We will have been able to make an undeserved hire solely due to his love for the U. His heart not his brain.

Also let's stop over-stating his lack of play-calling. Has he ever called a full NFL game from his mouth to the QB's ears on TV? No. But KD has been calling plays for over 20 years. In the huddle at UM when he would audible, in NFL practices, probably at times sporadically in games (as he is PGC) in his head during live NFL game action, and I would bet dollars to donuts in actual NFL scrimmages and maybe even pre-season. And surely at home in simulations. ****, probably in the shower every morning. He's been GROOMED for this. There are tons of top guys who made the leap and were incredibly successful very quickly when they got their shot at a high level. And the reason they were successful is for the same reason they got the opportunity in the first place. They were one of the smartest, hard-working prepared guys in the room and they made all the powers that be feel comfortable that they were the BEST CHOICE. Not just a choice that "could work."

Personally, I don't think he drops down in class. I think his competitiveness will be too much for us to overcome. I think he wants to win at the highest level, the NFL.
 
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NosniknoT said:
What is Kevin Sumlin doing these days?
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He was contacted for multiple job openings in the SWAC, particularly both the Prairie View A&M & Grambling St jobs.

But he turned them both down, Grambling wound up hiring Hue Jackson & PVAM just hired former Cane Safety Bubba McDowell today.

There was some talk about him going to be an analyst at a few programs, but as of now, he’s just sitting back enjoying the money Arizona still owes him.
 
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Miami04 said:
Some of you have learned nothing from past mistakes. I love Dorsey but no more learning on the job crap here. I want a proven OC. Period. We have the money, don’t ***** it up And don’t gable.
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Well, this isnt the typical learning on the job. Either Dorsey gets the OC job here or somewhere in the NFL. Its written on the wall and his stock is rising big time.
 
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Miami04 said:
Do not care. He may suck as an OC. He may be the next Enos. I want someone who has been in the position and had success. Otherwise the hire is a huge risk.
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Well, the experienced hire can also not have success and suck.

But we arent at that point now. Everything is pointing towards Briles given the recent pursuit of Ole Miss RB coach Kevin Smith. I am still very relaxed.
 
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