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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
I'm neutral on Dorsey so I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent here, but the concern is definitely not around how he would develop QBs. The concern is that we have no idea what his offensive philosophy is, and he has no experience calling plays. College teams have less time to practice so a complex NFL system that works great in the pros may not translate as well to college as a simpler offense like the type that Briles runs.
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yes, BUT ....

he took an intelligent QB (Josh Allen) with less than the best physical skills, and turned him into a playoff QB ...
he took one of the biggest knuckleheads not named Jamarcus Russell and made him into a playoff QB ...

and as far as systems are concerned, 90% of offenses in college football are doing the same things anyways.

but if you want to know what concepts he would run, just look at tape of the Bills this season.

I'm not saying Ken will or should be the next OC, I'm just saying if he is, it would be an excellent hire of a guy who has paid his dues in the NFL, and has earned the respect of those in the profession, even if his resume' is less acceptable to many of the football savants on CIS.
 
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TooColdToHold said:
Erickson won 2 titles. I’ll take that any day.
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Absolutely.

And with Erickson, I'm fully aware that he didn't stay long at any stop (pre-Miami), but his record of turnaround was solid.

For instance, at Idaho (I-AA Big Sky at the time), he took a pre-Erickson 3-8 team (0-7 conference) to 9-4 (5-2 conference), plus 1st place in the conference, plus the I-AA playoffs IN HIS FIRST YEAR.

At Wyoming (I-A, WAC at the time), he took a pre-Erickson 3-8 team (2-6 conference) to 6-6 (4-4 conference) in the ONE YEAR he was at Wyoming.

At Washington State (I-A, Pac 10 at the time), he took a pre-Erickson 3-7-1 team (2-6-1 conference) to 9-3 (5-3 conference), plus the Aloha Bowl, plus a #16 ranking IN JUST TWO YEARS.

So, yes, Mario won the Pac 12 twice at Oregon, but Erickson had some pretty solid results on his resume too.

As for Richt, he won his conference (the SEC) twice too. Impressive.
 
RedSquare said:
yes, BUT ....

he took an intelligent QB (Josh Allen) with less than the best physical skills, and turned him into a playoff QB ...
he took one of the biggest knuckleheads not named Jamarcus Russell and made him into a playoff QB ...

and as far as systems are concerned, 90% of offenses in college football are doing the same things anyways.

but if you want to know what concepts he would run, just look at tape of the Bills this season.

I'm not saying Ken will or should be the next OC, I'm just saying if he is, it would be an excellent hire of a guy who has paid his dues in the NFL, and has earned the respect of those in the profession, even if his resume' is less acceptable to many of the football savants on CIS.
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Your assessment of Josh Allen’s abilities is way off. And are comparing Cam Newton to Jamarcus Russell?
 
RedSquare said:
yes, BUT ....

he took an intelligent QB (Josh Allen) with less than the best physical skills, and turned him into a playoff QB ...
he took one of the biggest knuckleheads not named Jamarcus Russell and made him into a playoff QB ...

and as far as systems are concerned, 90% of offenses in college football are doing the same things anyways.

but if you want to know what concepts he would run, just look at tape of the Bills this season.

I'm not saying Ken will or should be the next OC, I'm just saying if he is, it would be an excellent hire of a guy who has paid his dues in the NFL, and has earned the respect of those in the profession, even if his resume' is less acceptable to many of the football savants on CIS.
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Da fuq you takin about?
 
Liberty City El said:
I’m not in favor of Dorsey as OC, but I hope he is the hire.

It’s mainly a projection of what kind of play caller & designer he’ll be, assuming we run the Bills Daboll offense, it’s a question mark as to whether or not it would work at Miami. Daboll’s offense worked at Bama because it’s an NFL style Offense & Bama has NFL OLineman, Miami does not, but either way might as well try it.

My stance was always rooted in the idea that we have an offense that is talented enough & good enough to go on a run this season, but realistically speaking that’s probably a lofty expectations not really rooted in much more than Homerism. I’ve stopped caring about “winning now” & think the focus is about winning for the future, so I’m good with whatever growing pains there may be with the initial offensive change. It’s gonna be long season ahead & it will be filled with ups & downs, hopefully we can just pull out W’s when it matters most.

There are other offenses that I feel are more conducive to a quicker transition with our personnel, but obviously that’s a different direction, so lets just build it from square one & see where we are come September/October.

Regardless of who the hire is, I’m on board, even if I disagree I will not be super critical & I can assure you I won’t say a word. Just don’t hire Ponce or Arroyo’s bum *** & everything’s all good in my book lol.

(And no I’m not joking or being sarcastic or trolling)
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That's totally fair. appreciate the perspective.

Dorsey will take a bit of time ... (half a season)? ... to get comfortable with the job. Same as he would when he most likely is an NFL OC next year. It will help if there is a seasoned analyst type to partner with him, (no joke but Chud could be good on that role.)

So, I would characterize my thoughts as this: I'm in favor of Dorsey being OC, but I don't think he will be.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
Josh Allen may be the most naturally gifted QB ever. He is 6'5 240, his arm is otherworldly, and he can run like the wind.

Many were high on him coming out, including me. He wasn't a finished product, but the natural tools have been there. I'm not sure how much you can credit Dorsey or just him through natural maturity and experience in the NFL.

I think in terms of college players, Briles is a much better choice than Kenny.

Shorter time to teach, needs to be easier for players to grasp, and Briles has actually called plays at the college level! Huge experience edge.

Just because you are a good QB coach, doesn't equate as a good OC.

Dan Enos is a good QB coach, not a good OC.
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Stopped reading at most naturally gifted ever. He undoubtedly is incredibly talented and he just as equally without a doubt was on the path to being a major bust until Dorsey got ahold of him. Cam Newton’s MVP season and peak was when Dorsey coached him. Check Cam before and after Dorsey.

I am no no means “it’s gotta be a Miami guy”, but Ken Dorsey has earned his respect, and he did so all on his own with plenty of sample size with two different quarterbacks who looked nothing like they did prior to Dorsey’s arrival.

Not my first choice as OC but he is clearly a **** good QB coach and has been around some great offensive minds (Daboll), and even made Cam look that good under Mike Shula’s playcalling.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
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I just did a fat bulk this holiday season and it was delicious
 
gacaneaddict said:
Josh Allen may be the most naturally gifted QB ever. He is 6'5 240, his arm is otherworldly, and he can run like the wind.

Many were high on him coming out, including me. He wasn't a finished product, but the natural tools have been there. I'm not sure how much you can credit Dorsey or just him through natural maturity and experience in the NFL.

I think in terms of college players, Briles is a much better choice than Kenny.

Shorter time to teach, needs to be easier for players to grasp, and Briles has actually called plays at the college level! Huge experience edge.

Just because you are a good QB coach, doesn't equate as a good OC.

Dan Enos is a good QB coach, not a good OC.
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I know this was last year but someone seems to think Allens success is due to Dorsey.


Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen took a big step from Year Two to Year Three, and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll received a ton of credit. Quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey also received credit, but now at least one person in NFL circles wants to give more to Dorsey than Daboll.
“A league source believes the Bills quarterback coach deserves more credit than offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for quarterback Josh Allen’s improvement in the past two seasons,” writes Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, who also speculates Dorsey could be in the running to replace Chan Gailey as Miami Dolphins offensive coordinator. Previously with the Carolina Panthers, Dorsey was Cam Newton’s QB coach, as well.
“Dorsey’s success with both quarterbacks could be a good precursor if he were to work with Tagovailoa — or even Deshaun Watson should Miami trade for the Houston Texans star,” continues Deen.
So maybe Buffalo isn’t out of the woods yet with Dorsey remaining on staff, though it would be tough to see the Bills allowing Dorsey to leave and go to Miami even for this type of promotion.
 
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Tampabaycane said:
Not every coach has to be a recruiting superstar. We have plenty of those on staff with Bmac, Mario, Alex, field and Trob. We need a good coach period. Dorsey is an elit QB coach, any man that can make Cam look
Like an NFL MVP is good. Josh Allen made a lot of money because if Dorsey. We really need to stop will Ken be good at recruiting doesn’t matter if he is or is not. His job will be develop TVD and the other QB’s and score points. I could give 2 $hits if he. An recruit.
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Recruiting is not the same as evaluating. With respect to Qb's its probably more important to be a better evaluator versus recruiter.
 
Not sure if you guys are aware but there is Ken Dorsey smoke, the knock however is that he has not called plays.
Another candidate, Kendal Briles, has been mentioned.
Haven’t seen either discussed ad nauseam in this thread so figured I’d introduce the subject.
 
Gamezgocanes said:
Not sure if you guys are aware but there is Ken Dorsey smoke, the knock however is that he has not called plays.
Another candidate, Kendal Briles, has been mentioned.
Haven’t seen either discussed ad nauseam in this thread so figured I’d introduce the subject.
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Gamezgocanes said:
Not sure if you guys are aware but there is Ken Dorsey smoke, the knock however is that he has not called plays.
Another candidate, Kendal Briles, has been mentioned.
Haven’t seen either discussed ad nauseam in this thread so figured I’d introduce the subject.
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I'm so much more informed right now. Thank you Sir.
 
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RC26 said:
Stopped reading at most naturally gifted ever. He undoubtedly is incredibly talented and he just as equally without a doubt was on the path to being a major bust until Dorsey got ahold of him. Cam Newton’s MVP season and peak was when Dorsey coached him. Check Cam before and after Dorsey.

I am no no means “it’s gotta be a Miami guy”, but Ken Dorsey has earned his respect, and he did so all on his own with plenty of sample size with two different quarterbacks who looked nothing like they did prior to Dorsey’s arrival.

Not my first choice as OC but he is clearly a **** good QB coach and has been around some great offensive minds (Daboll), and even made Cam look that good under Mike Shula’s playcalling.
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Oh he is in fact one of it not the most gifted ever from a physical tool set.

Lots of rookies struggle, Allen already showed marked improvement from
Rookie year to 2nd year before Dorsey got there. That is why im
Saying QB's can mature and grow into the league, and many struggle as rookies.

Now he made another leap year 3. It looks like natural progression many QB's make. Im
sure Dorsey helped, but it's hard to quantify, and regardless he hasn't called plays, and that's a huge risk.
 
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