Senior Bowl Reports

[Cribby]

So much for us having all this O-line talent. Our best Lineman (Linder) isn't even making waves.

People fell in love with height and weight measurements and thought instantly the OL line would dominate. Too bad they need to be smart and agile too...

Or maybe stick them at one position and quit subbing them out every 10 plays . But we play musical ol.

 

[HITMAN]

That is also true. Cant deny that. The truth is probably in the middle. Average players coupled with average coaching, equals bad combo.

 

[miamimike01]

So where's all this talent some of you have spoken of? "Significantly better" than teams we lost to? I've read that here several times.

"But it's the corches, they suck and don't know how to coach or recruit."

If you don't think Al made lemonade out of this group of lemons, I don't know what to tell you.

Talent wise, this was a six or seven win team. He got to nine, with one hand tied behind his back. That's a helluva coaching job, not matter how you wanna slice it.

 

[Chuckles]

Morris is 7th round UFA at best. Linder 4th-6th, and Henderson may be a 3rd-4th rounder, but more than likely 5th round.

Thinking he has a strong future in the arena league, first couple of years as a backup.

I think this prediction is too optimistic.

 

[VA_Cane_54]

Sad state of affairs when the best we have to to showcase our program in the senior bowl are Stephen Morris, Seantrel Henderson, and Brandon Linder. The following analysis was provided this morning on the Joe Rose Show by one of the "draft experts" who has attended the Senior Bowl practices.

Stephen Morris: Has done nothing to improve his draft status. Has trouble reading defenses and struggles hitting open receivers. Poor footwork, and has generally looked terrible.

Seantrel Henderson: Teams are intrigued; however, one NFL Scout described him as having "A millionaire body with a 10 cent brain". Will look great for a couple of plays, and then look absolutely terrible on others.

Brandon Linder: Hasn't hurt or helped his status. Probably going to be a late round pick; however, is the kind of player that can have a long career as a back-up in the NFL. (Of all our seniors, I really liked Linder and Hurns, both very workman like and no one can ever doubt the effort they gave)

No surprises here.

****, Morris must have turned his ankle at some point this week.

 

[VA_Cane_54]

So much for us having all this O-line talent. Our best Lineman (Linder) isn't even making waves.

People fell in love with height and weight measurements and thought instantly the OL line would dominate. Too bad they need to be smart and agile too...

Or maybe stick them at one position and quit subbing them out every 10 plays . But we play musical ol.

Out of all the crazy things I've seen Golden do, the rotating OLine is by far the most bizarre.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

So much for us having all this O-line talent. Our best Lineman (Linder) isn't even making waves.

Not much of an athlete. Was really exposed a few times in the one-on-one drills. Mayock started the week wanting to like him, saying he was a battler, but later in the week Mayock shifted attention to linemen who performed better than expectation. Nobody was talking about Linder anymore.

Henderson is apparently going to be drafted higher than expectation. I entered the week thinking 4th round but now I expect it will be 3rd. Heck, on some draft specific forums some guys who normally have a good opinion are talking about Henderson in the 2nd round. He doesn't use his hands well on pass blocking and his feet can separate, causing loss of balance, but Mike Tice supposedly has been encouraged working with Henderson and scouts generally think his problems are correctable.

 

[gacericardo]

So much for us having all this O-line talent. Our best Lineman (Linder) isn't even making waves.

People fell in love with height and weight measurements and thought instantly the OL line would dominate. Too bad they need to be smart and agile too...

Or maybe stick them at one position and quit subbing them out every 10 plays . But we play musical ol.

Out of all the crazy things I've seen Golden do, the rotating OLine is by far the most bizarre.

Really? Thats the craziest thing you have see Corch Gorlden do?

 

[VA_Cane_54]

So much for us having all this O-line talent. Our best Lineman (Linder) isn't even making waves.

People fell in love with height and weight measurements and thought instantly the OL line would dominate. Too bad they need to be smart and agile too...

Or maybe stick them at one position and quit subbing them out every 10 plays . But we play musical ol.

Out of all the crazy things I've seen Golden do, the rotating OLine is by far the most bizarre.

Really? Thats the craziest thing you have see Corch Gorlden do?

Maybe not the craziest but certainly up there. I was hitting the sauce pretty hard last night. Apologies.

 

[Chuckles]

Dunno if it was overdone, but it seems to me that teaching OL how to play different positions offers coaches opportunities to see where they fit in best, adds depth, and makes the player more attractive to the NFL because they are adaptable. The question is where they moved around for a reason or for the ugly fun of it?

Now that tap thing, I don't know much about OL play, but that seems strange!

Question for the coaches, recent OL players here: Are teams giving up the advantage of the snap count with the center taps and QB Omaha calls?

 

[JHallCanes]

Sad thing is that's the best senior class we have had in years

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Sad thing is that's the best senior class we have had in years

2010 was better and that's not saying much either.

 

[caneaddict]

So many 20 pg threads on scheme being why we suck and the glaring problem is in this 2 pg thread

 

[SpikeUM]

You know Colorado pot shops are praying for the Broncos to draft Seantrell.

Thats just mean......and hilarious!

 

[JHallCanes]

Sad thing is that's the best senior class we have had in years

2010 was better and that's not saying much either.

Our senior classes are representative of our teams performances. Not much to write home about. A few bright spots here and there, but a whole lotta "shrug"

 

[jruiz]

Where my boy hurnsy at?

 

[Cribby]

Dunno if it was overdone, but it seems to me that teaching OL how to play different positions offers coaches opportunities to see where they fit in best, adds depth, and makes the player more attractive to the NFL because they are adaptable. The question is where they moved around for a reason or for the ugly fun of it?

Now that tap thing, I don't know much about OL play, but that seems strange!

Question for the coaches, recent OL players here: Are teams giving up the advantage of the snap count with the center taps and QB Omaha calls?

Not everyone can play every spot on the ol, it's actually quite difficult, that's why teams in the draft drool over prospects that can. There's a reason majority of teams don't play musical ol.

 

[DaU83]

sad to see that some of our most touted seniors aren't even being considered top prospects in the draft.

 

[bacane]

According to various media reports this week, our boys aren't helping themselves in Mobile. Unflattering reports on Morris, plus Atlanta paper ran a list this morning of 5 most impressive and 5 least impressive players (Falcons staff is coaching in the game). Henderson made the least impressive list and it was mentioned that, along with his play, he didn't pass their character test.


This is from a Detroit paper . . .

Negatives

Seantrel Henderson had more issues today. I counted three false starts not long into practice. He also got burned around the edge by a Trent Murphy speed rush when getting to aggressive with his feet and not staying patient in his pass set. Inconsistent as ever.

Henderson’s partner in crime Brandon Linder had a couple of poor reps. He’s still struggling with pad level and bending at the waist. He was unable to anchor a bullrush after giving up his chest on one occasion, getting dumped for an easy “sack”.

 

[gogeta4]

Dunno if it was overdone, but it seems to me that teaching OL how to play different positions offers coaches opportunities to see where they fit in best, adds depth, and makes the player more attractive to the NFL because they are adaptable. The question is where they moved around for a reason or for the ugly fun of it?

Now that tap thing, I don't know much about OL play, but that seems strange!

Question for the coaches, recent OL players here: Are teams giving up the advantage of the snap count with the center taps and QB Omaha calls?

-Dont care about making kids more attractive for nfl...its all about um. Whats better for us, imo when it comes to ol....comfortabily and chemistry is KEY. Getting use to playin next t aguy, understanding his fit on double teams...his ability to help you etc is key.

-the tap thing...was a CLEAR disadvantage to our ol...and completely absolutely STUPID. Stupid because from early in the season it was picked up on by other teams..and some of our players had lead feet in their kick anyway(Bunche, Wheeler) and it gave them absolutely no advantage. The key is an ol or offensive plyer is suppose to have the advantage as they KNOW the snap count and the play...well when both sides knows the count there goes that advantage and when a guy is slow out of his stance ANYWAY it makes it even WORSE.

-Mixing it up is good..mixing up the snap count is great also...
-I played tackle..left to be exact....me personally i use to tell my qb at times to switch up snap count...just because at times guys get comfortable when calling plays and might always go "24 lead on one"...well the dends strted getting it down and i wanted an advantage and i would on my own tell my qb change snap count.

UM and the Miami Freaking Dolphins did the same dumb sh*t with the guard tapping the count...which was as a de/dt.."watch for the tap..count 1-thousand one, 1 thousand two" and the ball will be snapped EVERYTIME..

Its a tragedy...even though our ol imo was solid or a blevel group imo.

Im just not a big fan of KEHOE and his pre historic approach....

-And their confusion on a philosophy which is painfully obvious....we want to run a finnese run blocking scheme, yet recruit behemoths on the line still who arent that athletic.Theirs a disconnect there as far as what Fisch wants and what Kehoe wants. Honestly Kehoe isnt a FAN of the BIG ol coming in.....he generally would recruit for a zone blocking scheme as he likes lighter guys coming in...but clearly my boy Golden is in PSU mode and even before him Stoutland were fans of the huge tackles and guards. If your going to recruit those types...let them do what they do.....Block north-south and get after it....not have them in pass pro alot...pulling Malcolm Bunche and eve attemptjing to pull centers at times...

It made me mad as u got to see it alittle bit against UNC....and a few other teams when we just did that out of having to. I currently LOVE our ol recruiting right now still...and think we wont fall below a SOLID to good ol group for awhile...i just think we could be an ELITE group with tweaks to philosophy and connection throughout.