Scrimmage take...

[Texxcane]

Did you watch any fsu/miami games in the 80's and 90's? There where some really good QB down or needing an last second Wide something to win. Sorry, man I am straight results type when it comes to sports. You win, that's good. You have promise, well that's nice but check with me later on it.

The funny part about defending Rosier is that I am a under center drop back pocket passer type QB guy. I thought he was a waste of a ship for Miami like most dual threats. But results matter and he got them. There is no such thing as style points in football. Now he came up short on the results by three games so we need to look at doing something. It Williams is the guy, then get him as ready as you can; get him playing time in live action and when it matters some too. So when Rosier craps the bed, and results say he will at some point, then have the flashy kid ready for his moment. If that is the second series against LSU then fine.

One thing, please don't declare based on some non-verifiable assumption as not even debatable. What is not delectable is that nobody has any idea how good a QB will be until he gets hit in the mouth in a real game in front of the TVs. Projecting a number of wins based on QBs who have not broken a sweat in live game action, is, well, questionable at best.

What did we do before the internet? Oh, I remember. We went to local bar, got drunk and this discussions. Life is better now. Now teeth get loss in chat room. Man the QB who is going to take us undefeated win the job.

Well said hater, I feel exactly the same about QB's. Give me a 6'4 honky that's so Damm slow he won't even consider running, that boy will stand tall in the pocket and deliver the pill to someone who can make a play. If worse comes to worse he flicks it out of play, from what I have read Williams may be that kid. Somebody needs to step up. We need to start getting our QB's from Texas, badass coaching from day one.

 

[Jassid82]

1) Nobody is or should be afraid of freakin' LSU.

2) A 25 page thread over Macho's assessment. Man I can only imagine how long the thread will be after Saturdays open public scrimmage. Sheesh. People will be jumping ship left and right if Rosier and Perry don't come out looking like HOFers.

 

[STG]

I just don't think Rosier is the QB that can lead us to a title. ACC or otherwise. He did better than I expected in some areas, but worse in others. His wild inconsistency ended up costing us big time. I honestly believe that if he is the starter, we won't see 10 wins again. Some of those close wins will turn into losses. The old saying, if you play with fire, you will get burned. We played with fire all year last year, and it ended up burning us in the end. I believe it'll happen again if we get inconsistent play from the QB position. If it's Rosier, or one of the other guys, it won't matter. We need one of them to be consistent, and I have seen enough of Rosier to believe he can not be that QB.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but NO QB on this current roster will lead us to an ACC Championship this year. We simply have nowhere near the overall depth or talent top to bottom to compete with Clemson at this current stage. We are 1-2 years away from that. So, you go with the QB who gives you the best shot to carry over your success from last year into this year. And right now, by all accounts, that is Rosier.

 

[ThomasM]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but NO QB on this current roster will lead us to an ACC Championship this year. We simply have nowhere near the overall depth or talent top to bottom to compete with Clemson at this current stage. We are 1-2 years away from that. So, you go with the QB who gives you the best shot to carry over your success from last year into this year. And right now, by all accounts, that is Rosier.

Well, if Rosier can't do it this year, then why not start a young guy so they can get the experience and be able to do it in the future?

 

[STG]

Well, if Rosier can't do it this year, then why not start a young guy so they can get the experience and be able to do it in the future?

That's an easy answer, and one that should be obvious to everyone. We CANNOT afford to regress after last year. In order to continue to bring in elite level recruiting classes, we have to show we are continuously improving each year, if not at the very least, maintaining last year's same success. If we go backwards in the win column in year 3, you are giving opposing coaches a lot more ammunition against us, as well as potentially putting doubt in kids we are recruiting as well as there coaches that we are on the way back up.

In addition, if you start a young player over an older player, when that older player has proven to be the better option, what message are you sending to everyone on that team? That is a very slippery slope you are playing with at that point, and I don't think you want to go down that rabbit hole.

 

[ThomasM]

That's an easy answer, and one that should be obvious to everyone. We CANNOT afford to regress after last year. In order to continue to bring in elite level recruiting classes, we have to show we are continuously improving each year, if not at the very least, maintaining last year's same success. If we go backwards in the win column in year 3, you are giving opposing coaches a lot more ammunition against us, as well as potentially putting doubt in kids we are recruiting as well as there coaches that we are on the way back up.

In addition, if you start a young player over an older player, when that older player has proven to be the better option, what message are you sending to everyone on that team? That is a very slippery slope you are playing with at that point, and I don't think you want to go down that rabbit hole.

You're assuming we won't regress under Rosier. Now that every team we face will make him beat them, it could get ugly. He's limited, and now everyone knows it. Mark my word, some of those close wins will turn into losses, like GT. I'm not convinced we will see 10 wins again with Rosier.

 

[STG]

You're assuming we won't regress under Rosier. Now that every team we face will make him beat them, it could get ugly. He's limited, and now everyone knows it. Mark my word, some of those close wins will turn into losses, like GT. I'm not convinced we will see 10 wins again with Rosier.

And you, as for the majority on this board, are ASSUMING somehow, QB's who have NEVER taken a snap in college football, and who have struggled, throughout there time at UM in non contact scrimmages, are going to somehow, be the opposite when facing live bullets, against defenses who aren't going to just run right passed them and tap them on there asses.

I am willing to wager, there is more of a chance that a QB, who has started 14 games, with an 11-3 record, has the ability to improve slightly, instead of a QB who has never played a down of college football and can't manage to even have a single, successful scrimmage, all of the sudden is going to be better than what Rosier was in live situations.

 

[SayWhat]

You're assuming we won't regress under Rosier. Now that every team we face will make him beat them, it could get ugly. He's limited, and now everyone knows it. Mark my word, some of those close wins will turn into losses, like GT. I'm not convinced we will see 10 wins again with Rosier.

Regarding 10 wins, neither am I.

I will say this emphatically. If Richt and company can't figure out the offense, including a productive QB, he deserves all of the blame. There is no excuse in the world for not getting it done three years in.

Regarding Diaz, he needs to tighten things up. I'm hopeful that his issue was that we needed some more physical corners (young, but we got them this year with the true freshman coming in) to balance out the defensive problems.

We'll see what happens. This year will answer a lot of our coaching concerns.

 

[ThomasM]

Regarding 10 wins, neither am I.

I will say this emphatically. If Richt and company can't figure out the offense, including a productive QB, he deserves all of thr blame. There is no excuse in the world for not getting it done three years in.

Regarding Diaz, he needs to tighten things up. I'm hopeful that his issue was that we needed some more physical corners (young, but we for them this year) to balance put the defensive problems.

We'll see what happens. This year will answer a lot of our coaching concerns.

Yeah, by year three he should have a QB by now. Now, I DO believe he has the future QB on the roster, but I don't know if he will be ready by September. I do believe Williams is a more viable option than Shirreffs, and Richt did bench Rosier a couple times to put him in. I think that the next time Rosier is pulled, it's the last time.

 

[Canezum5]

The same guy that started watching film last year while being in year 4 as a college qb

My point exactly.

 

[Canezum5]

Pump the brakes on this one, where did that info come from?

What info?

 

[Canezum5]

Some folks are for whatever reason under this silly notion that a player who hasn't been able to outperform Rosier in practice will transform into a world beater if given the opportunity on the biggest stage, in front of the biggest and possibly most hostile crowd we'll see all season. You don't make it to being a head coach in division 1 football by making foolish assumptions like that. The fact is more kids bust than blossom when the pressure is on. Listen to what Richt says about the QB race. Malik is the only guy who knows what to do to consistently put our offense in a position to be successful. That doesn't mean people executed perfectly. It's the first scrimmage of spring camp, after all, but one thing Richt said that stuck out to me when saying that Rosier was clearly out front of the QB race is that many balls were dropped so they were not grading QB accuracy solely on completions vs. attempts. If the QB hit a guy in the hands or between the numbers, he said they counted that as a successful rep by the QB.

I think that little tid bit is at least as worthy as anything else of the customary over-analysis found on CIS in the spring.

This is the part that gets me.

We have no idea what the format is for these scrimmages and whose asked to do what.

For all we know, Jarren and rosier could be running all simple routes and plays and Nkosi could be asked to do a little more.

BDee already hinted toward this being a possibility.

So, I think its unfair to try and give a real assessment based upon these stats/hearsay from the scrimmage. The spring game will give us all a chance to make our own "Armchair" evaluations.

 

[Dmorgan15]

Perry will transfer. I don't think he wins the job and he definitely wont beat out JW next year. The problem with him transferring is we may lose Manuel. Coaches would have to simply the playbook for Perry.

 

[umhurricane2511]

his own.

With there being no other options as of yet. Who’s responsibility is that?

 

[QuattroCane]

What info?

My bad I read the post as him only "knowing" 20% of the playbook not "running" 20%.

 

[Loose Cannon]

This is the part that gets me.

We have no idea what the format is for these scrimmages and whose asked to do what.

For all we know, Jarren and rosier could be running all simple routes and plays and Nkosi could be asked to do a little more.

BDee already hinted toward this being a possibility.

So, I think its unfair to try and give a real assessment based upon these stats/hearsay from the scrimmage. The spring game will give us all a chance to make our own "Armchair" evaluations.

With all due respect, I'm not giving my assessment. It was Richt who said that Rosier was the only one who knows what to do and that he is way ahead of everyone at this point.

I'm just sitting here making fun of all the porsters who are trying so hard to ignore that based on the small sampling that's trickled its way here. Richt is there every day and probably stays up half the night evaluating film on these guys. If he says Rosier is the only guy who knows what the **** he's doing back there and is miles ahead in this QB race, I gotta go with his assessment, and as much as I appreciate what guys like @DMoney and @Brooklyndee work hard to bring us, their assessment can only count for so much in comparison.

 

[Calinative]

The reason people are arguing to not simply hand the job over to a Freshman QB unless they are head and shoulders better than Rosier, is you have NO CLUE what that Freshman QB can do. You are rolling the dice. No one can say that whoever gets a shot will be at least as good as Rosier was last year. We at least know what Rosier is capable of. Yes, he is not the greatest QB in the country, he is a middle of the pack QB. However, that QB accounted for 3600 total yards from scrimmage last year, 31 total TDs and led us to our first 10 win season in 15 years and our first ACCG appearance ever.

At the end of the day, if none of the young QB's separate themselves from Rosier with ease, than we are literally gambling the season away. I am not willing to do that in year 3 and potentially regress. That could cause irreversible damage to our recruiting efforts. Every coach in America will point to us regressing instead of progressing with the kids we are mutually going after. At this point, we need to be improving every year or at least maintaining what we just did, until we reach the final four. We can't afford to take a step back. I look at this schedule, and I see 9 wins for sure again in the regular season with Rosier starting. Than we have LSU, FSU and VT. Even if we go 1-2 in those games with Rosier, that is a 10-2 regular season. I am not the least bit confident as of TODAY, that any of the younger QB's can lead us to a 10-2 regular season.

Holy ******* **** man, how is this even debatable. I 10000000000% would start a ******* Freshman, who I have no idea how they will perform, over the worst ******* Qb in the ACC last year. Come on, How is this complicated. STARTING ROSIER IS LITERALLY THROWING THE SEASON AWAY. so yeah I'd rather take the ******* gamble, at leas then we have a shot.
This is like choosing a steaming pile of **** sandwich or the mystery box which could also very well be a **** sandwich, OR end up being like a ******* PB&J or something. This is extremely simple. Idgaf if you consider it rolling the dice. When the known commodity is absolute ****, that option should get taken off the ******* table. If you're at the casino, would you play at the table where you already know the result is a loss, or would you play at the table where you have a ******* chance? If you are going out at night do you just bag the first 2 you see, or do you shoot your shot with the ******* 8? Man some of yall only see our record, and act like its a reflection on Rosier. I've posted his *** stats on here like 10 times, and still got people acting like he wasn't the worst Qb in the ACC (or at least bottom 3) in just about every stat.
I'm gunna ******* look at all QB stats in the FBS and see how he compares, We'll see if he even finishes top 65/128 (there are 65 P5 schools and 128 FBS schools).

 

[Calinative]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but NO QB on this current roster will lead us to an ACC Championship this year. We simply have nowhere near the overall depth or talent top to bottom to compete with Clemson at this current stage. We are 1-2 years away from that. So, you go with the QB who gives you the best shot to carry over your success from last year into this year. And right now, by all accounts, that is Rosier.

Wow this is honestly just sad to read. This is the perspective of a defeated fan. I guess this tells me everything I need to know about you and why you're so stuck on Rosier.
No long term plan, just wanting the immediate results this minute, rather than 8 months down the line or even 1+yrs later.
Rosier is not the answer buddy.

 

[QuattroCane]

Holy ******* **** man, how is this even debatable. I 10000000000% would start a ******* Freshman, who I have no idea how they will perform, over the worst ******* Qb in the ACC last year. Come on, How is this complicated. STARTING ROSIER IS LITERALLY THROWING THE SEASON AWAY. so yeah I'd rather take the ******* gamble, at leas then we have a shot.
This is like choosing a steaming pile of **** sandwich or the mystery box which could also very well be a **** sandwich, OR end up being like a ******* PB&J or something. This is extremely simple. Idgaf if you consider it rolling the dice. When the known commodity is absolute ****, that option should get taken off the ******* table. If you're at the casino, would you play at the table where you already know the result is a loss, or would you play at the table where you have a ******* chance? If you are going out at night do you just bag the first 2 you see, or do you shoot your shot with the ******* 8? Man some of yall only see our record, and act like its a reflection on Rosier. I've posted his *** stats on here like 10 times, and still got people acting like he wasn't the worst Qb in the ACC (or at least bottom 3) in just about every stat.
I'm gunna ******* look at all QB stats in the FBS and see how he compares, We'll see if he even finishes top 65/128 (there are 65 P5 schools and 128 FBS schools).

What was once an interesting conversation about the QB prospects has turned into a creepy obsession, you need a break man.
You've lost all perspective and rational.

 

[Brooklyndee]

With all due respect, I'm not giving my assessment. It was Richt who said that Rosier was the only one who knows what to do and that he is way ahead of everyone at this point.

I'm just sitting here making fun of all the porsters who are trying so hard to ignore that based on the small sampling that's trickled its way here. Richt is there every day and probably stays up half the night evaluating film on these guys. If he says Rosier is the only guy who knows what the **** he's doing back there and is miles ahead in this QB race, I gotta go with his assessment, and as much as I appreciate what guys like @DMoney and @Brooklyndee work hard to bring us, their assessment can only count for so much in comparison.

Only thing im gonna point out brother is hes not saying malik is miles ahead in the race. Hes saying hes so far ahead mentally in knowing what hes supposed to do. But hes not telling you how far ahead he is in actually executing what he knows. Everyone is correct to a certain extent. But the easiest thing to ascertain is theres a whole bunch of football still ahead of us till this job is decided. My assumption at this point is it'll come down to nkosi & jarren ultimately. But if thats outright or splitting time is to be seen. Wouldnt be surprised if malik gets first crack at lsu but if he does **** get pulled in the first quarter. Lets just sit back & watch them learn.