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AUcane said:
Unless something dramatic happens this summer (another guy clearly beats out Rosier), I'm curious how short Rosier's leash will be during the year. In theory, Richt will have 2 other guys ready to go (without excuses).

And to those who think LSU will be an easy out - lmao. They will field another top notch/physical defense.
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I'm of the opinion that Richt will feel free to shuffle QBs in/out as he deems necessary. This will frustrate the purist fans who feel the need to have one main guy at the QB position.....but hey, other teams do it successfully all the time, and the QB genius himself Spurrier used to do it regularly.
 
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DTP said:
I'm a firm believer that a fantastic offensive line will mask a lot of shortcomings. Those 2000-2002 lines were loaded with All Americans and NFL draft picks. They opened huge holes for our backs and gave Dorsey a ridiculous level of protection. (I believe he was sacked like 5 times in 3 years) While we all love Kenny, it's no secret that he was physically limited but benefited from playing with that line and some of the best skill position talent in college football history. I'd hate to see him have to play behind some of the lines we've trotted out during recent seasons. He probably wouldn't make it through the season.

Incredible lines like that are the outlier in college football. Even the best teams can't just line up and impose their will every week like those Miami teams did. These days, you have to have some type of balance to keep teams honest. Even Alabama switched QBs in the national title game because they needed a threat to throw the ball down the field when Georgia sold out to stop the run and dared them to throw. A freakishly talented team like the 2001 Hurricanes might be able to overcome average QB play and still win out. A good but not great 2017-18 Miami team will need the QB to carry a little more of the load. I don't pin all the team's shortcoming's on Rosier but just having a more consistent threat to beat man coverage will make the entire offense so much better.
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The problem with Rosier until late in the season wasn't that he was this consistently terrible QB everyone is trying to make him out to be; it's that he had a tendency to disappear for long stretches of a game. We were all hoping and commenting to the effect last season that he would eventually put a whole game together rather than flash here or there. But then the opposite happened. He became consistently terrible rather than consistently good. Now as much as I'd like someone to step up and be great, I'm also a realist who understands two things:

1. Greatness is rare
2. We don't need greatness. We need someone who can consistently execute the offense.

So I'm hedging against one of the young guys being able to make the leap by hoping that Rosier's late season regression was a combination of injury, losing our three best players, being nicked up on the o-line, and playing such a long stretch without the benefit of an off week.
 
AUcane said:
Unless something dramatic happens this summer (another guy clearly beats out Rosier), I'm curious how short Rosier's leash will be during the year. In theory, Richt will have 2 other guys ready to go (without excuses).

And to those who think LSU will be an easy out - lmao. They will field another top notch/physical defense.
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I was at least half joking with @Brooklyndee. I guess it's way too early for the "We Roll" thread.

I agree that LSU will field a top-notch defense, but they have at least as many question marks entering this season as we do. In fact, I believe they have more. Yes, we both have QB issues, but we are returning a 10 game winner who's proven his mettle in a hostile environment. They are returning nobody with any game experience outside of mop up duty. Myles Brennan is 14/24 for 182 with 1 TD and 2 INT's against BYU, Chattanooga, Troy, and Syracuse.

We are returning a stable of running backs. They lost their top 4 rushers from a year ago.

At WR the talent gap is even wider.

Our defense will be just as potent as theirs and facing, in my opinion, a far less capable offense. The game is, of course, not played on paper, but there are reasons why ESPN is giving us a 65.7% chance of winning the season opener being basically played in their back yard.
 
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Loose Cannon said:
Some folks are for whatever reason under this silly notion that a player who hasn't been able to outperform Rosier in practice will transform into a world beater if given the opportunity on the biggest stage, in front of the biggest and possibly most hostile crowd we'll see all season. You don't make it to being a head coach in division 1 football by making foolish assumptions like that. The fact is more kids bust than blossom when the pressure is on. Listen to what Richt says about the QB race. Malik is the only guy who knows what to do to consistently put our offense in a position to be successful. That doesn't mean people executed perfectly. It's the first scrimmage of spring camp, after all, but one thing Richt said that stuck out to me when saying that Rosier was clearly out front of the QB race is that many balls were dropped so they were not grading QB accuracy solely on completions vs. attempts. If the QB hit a guy in the hands or between the numbers, he said they counted that as a successful rep by the QB.

I think that little tid bit is at least as worthy as anything else of the customary over-analysis found on CIS in the spring.
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Doesn't matter if you know what to do if you can't execute it. Rosier just isn't a good qb.
 
252cane said:
Doesn't matter if you know what to do if you can't execute it. Rosier just isn't a good qb.
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This is your opinion. The opinion that matters, the only one that matters, is Mark Richt's, and he said that Rosier is right now the best we have. And he's saying that it isn't close. I believe is exact words were that Rosier is way ahead of the others.
 
Loose Cannon said:
I was at least half joking with @Brooklyndee. I guess it's way too early for the "We Roll" thread.

I agree that LSU will field a top-notch defense, but they have at least as many question marks entering this season as we do. In fact, I believe they have more. Yes, we both have QB issues, but we are returning a 10 game winner who's proven his mettle in a hostile environment. They are returning nobody with any game experience outside of mop up duty. Myles Brennan is 14/24 for 182 with 1 TD and 2 INT's against BYU, Chattanooga, Troy, and Syracuse.

We are returning a stable of running backs. They lost their top 4 rushers from a year ago.

At WR the talent gap is even wider.

Our defense will be just as potent as theirs and facing, in my opinion, a far less capable offense. The game is, of course, not played on paper, but there are reasons why ESPN is giving us a 65.7% chance of winning the season opener being basically played in their back yard.
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Defense isnt as potent as lsu. They were top 25 vs the run and pass last year and were 14th in ppg . They finished 12 in total defense.
Loose Cannon said:
The problem with Rosier until late in the season wasn't that he was this consistently terrible QB everyone is trying to make him out to be; it's that he had a tendency to disappear for long stretches of a game. We were all hoping and commenting to the effect last season that he would eventually put a whole game together rather than flash here or there. But then the opposite happened. He became consistently terrible rather than consistently good. Now as much as I'd like someone to step up and be great, I'm also a realist who understands two things:

1. Greatness is rare
2. We don't need greatness. We need someone who can consistently execute the offense.

So I'm hedging against one of the young guys being able to make the leap by hoping that Rosier's late season regression was a combination of injury, losing our three best players, being nicked up on the o-line, and playing such a long stretch without the benefit of an off week.
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It wasn't a late season regression it was a full season of playing like shît. Completed 51% of his passes in acc play. Vs ranked opponents he completed 48% and threw twice as many picks than tds. But keep going with that bullshît he just struggled the last 3 games.
 
Loose Cannon said:
This is your opinion. The opinion that matters, the only one that matters, is Mark Richt's, and he said that Rosier is right now the best we have. And he's saying that it isn't close. I believe is exact words were that Rosier is way ahead of the others.
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doesnt matter what richt says either. The film shows rosier is *** so that just means the other qbs are *** too.
 
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252cane said:
doesnt matter what richt says either. The film shows rosier is *** so that just means the other qbs are *** too.
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that's where you're wrong.webp
 
Brooklyndee said:
Youre entitled to that. My issue with that would be the vast majority of last season chris was healthy... didnt seem to matter much. Although mark was running great to that point ur acting like hes a huge upgrade over homer last year. Travis wasnt our issue. Far as ahmmon goes i can atleast see the logic in that. Him running bubble screens all game opposed to jt or harley or langham or dayal is a huge difference. Maybe ahmmons bubble screens result in a net gain of 1.5 yards per completion as opposed yo the others... dont see any difference from that. Point is healthy or not our offense has zero room to grow if malik & his shoe lace bubble screens is still the option. Were all entitled to opinions though bruh. No arguement here. If you think lsu will be as bad as they were last year than youre praying on an anomaly. Be real with yourself. Dont expect the TEAM to be so flawed.
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Rosier could have had Jerry Rice and it wouldn't have mattered. Bad passes are bad passes. It doesn't matter if you're throwing it to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, or me. A bad pass can't be caught.
 
So we basically have a long *** thread where the same things are discussed ad nauseum.

Some people really love to hear themselves talk and guess what, nobody won or is changing opinions here.
 
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LSU had a great defense while playing against the high octane offenses of 4-7 Florida--a game they almost lost, Chattanooga, Troy--a game they did lose, 4-8 Tennessee, and 4-8 Arkansas.

Not to mention the fact that they gave up 21 to the same team that only managed 8 garbage time points against us.

Everyone knows that the SEC was down last year outside of Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn. Total defense means little when you play in the worst offensive conference in the country.
 
ThomasM said:
If we are down 5, it means Rosier missed a crap load of passes and we are losing because of it. Good QB play and we're not down by 5.

Again, I don't get too caught up in the 10 wins, because we win more with better QB play, and I don't think that's even debatable. Also, we pound UNC, whoop FSU, and don't need a miracle to beat GT.

Also, Ken Dorsey wasn't Ken Dorsey when Kelly was struggling. To most he was a skinny backup that was going to get snapped in half if he ever played. All we needed was a guy to complete passes to our plethora of skill position talent. Sound familiar? We have guys open all over the field, but a QB in Rosier that can't hit them.

I do agree with you. Diaz needs the D to play at a higher level. I believe, though, that when our O can convert more than 4 3rd downs a game, our D will be rested and look a lot better. They can't give up plays if they aren't on the field.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/third-down-conversions-per-game

Feast your eyes on this stat. This is not acceptable at all, and Rosier is a big reason for it.
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Did you watch any fsu/miami games in the 80's and 90's? There where some really good QB down or needing an last second Wide something to win. Sorry, man I am straight results type when it comes to sports. You win, that's good. You have promise, well that's nice but check with me later on it.

The funny part about defending Rosier is that I am a under center drop back pocket passer type QB guy. I thought he was a waste of a ship for Miami like most dual threats. But results matter and he got them. There is no such thing as style points in football. Now he came up short on the results by three games so we need to look at doing something. It Williams is the guy, then get him as ready as you can; get him playing time in live action and when it matters some too. So when Rosier craps the bed, and results say he will at some point, then have the flashy kid ready for his moment. If that is the second series against LSU then fine.

One thing, please don't declare based on some non-verifiable assumption as not even debatable. What is not delectable is that nobody has any idea how good a QB will be until he gets hit in the mouth in a real game in front of the TVs. Projecting a number of wins based on QBs who have not broken a sweat in live game action, is, well, questionable at best.

What did we do before the internet? Oh, I remember. We went to local bar, got drunk and this discussions. Life is better now. Now teeth get loss in chat room. Man the QB who is going to take us undefeated win the job.
 
Loose Cannon said:
LSU had a great defense while playing against the high octane offenses of 4-7 Florida--a game they almost lost, Chattanooga, Troy--a game they did lose, 4-8 Tennessee, and 4-8 Arkansas.

Not to mention the fact that they gave up 21 to the same team that only managed 8 garbage time points against us.

Everyone knows that the SEC was down last year outside of Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn. Total defense means little when you play in the worst offensive conference in the country.
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I watched that Troy game, and it wasn't as close as the score might suggest. If Troy doesn't make nerve induced mistakes, they roll LSU.
 
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Gatorhater said:
Did you watch any fsu/miami games in the 80's and 90's? There where some really good QB down or needing an last second Wide something to win. Sorry, man I am straight results type when it comes to sports. You win, that's good. You have promise, well that's nice but check with me later on it.

The funny part about defending Rosier is that I am a under center drop back pocket passer type QB guy. I thought he was a waste of a ship for Miami like most dual threats. But results matter and he got them. There is no such thing as style points in football. Now he came up short on the results by three games so we need to look at doing something. It Williams is the guy, then get him as ready as you can; get him playing time in live action and when it matters some too. So when Rosier craps the bed, and results say he will at some point, then have the flashy kid ready for his moment. If that is the second series against LSU then fine.

One thing, please don't declare based on some non-verifiable assumption as not even debatable. What is not delectable is that nobody has any idea how good a QB will be until he gets hit in the mouth in a real game in front of the TVs. Projecting a number of wins based on QBs who have not broken a sweat in live game action, is, well, questionable at best.

What did we do before the internet? Oh, I remember. We went to local bar, got drunk and this discussions. Life is better now. Now teeth get loss in chat room. Man the QB who is going to take us undefeated win the job.
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I just don't think Rosier is the QB that can lead us to a title. ACC or otherwise. He did better than I expected in some areas, but worse in others. His wild inconsistency ended up costing us big time. I honestly believe that if he is the starter, we won't see 10 wins again. Some of those close wins will turn into losses. The old saying, if you play with fire, you will get burned. We played with fire all year last year, and it ended up burning us in the end. I believe it'll happen again if we get inconsistent play from the QB position. If it's Rosier, or one of the other guys, it won't matter. We need one of them to be consistent, and I have seen enough of Rosier to believe he can not be that QB.
 
ThomasM said:
I watched that Troy game, and it wasn't as close as the score might suggest. If Troy doesn't make nerve induced mistakes, they roll LSU.
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Yep. The juggernaut that is Troy absolutely rolled LSU. Also, the 37 points Miss. State hung on them was the most they put on anyteam not named Lousiana Tech or Charleston Southern. Plus, if Auburn doesn't start shooting itself in the foot on their way to blowing a 20 point lead, nobody outside of us are even taking this game seriously.

LSU is led by one of the biggest corches in D-I. It will be a factor in September.
 
Loose Cannon said:
Yep. The juggernaut that is Troy absolutely rolled LSU. Also, the 37 points Miss. State hung on them was the most they put on anyteam not named Lousiana Tech or Charleston Southern. Plus, if Auburn doesn't start shooting itself in the foot on their way to blowing a 20 point lead, nobody outside of us are even taking this game seriously.

LSU is led by one of the biggest corches in D-I. It will be a factor in September.
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In my opinion, the ONLY way it's close is if we don't convert 3rd downs and absolutely blow every chance our D gives us. We play up to our potential and we roll them. However, if our weakest link in the chain is still the most important position on the field, look out.
 
ThomasM said:
In my opinion, the ONLY way it's close is if we don't convert 3rd downs and absolutely blow every chance our D gives us. We play up to our potential and we roll them. However, if our weakest link in the chain is still the most important position on the field, look out.
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So basically what you're saying is that if we're as bad at the same stuff we were bad at last season...lol

I get what you're saying, and I agree. We SHOULD roll them, and it would be nice to open the season with a Notre Dame type performance where we actually play up to our potential rather than down to the competition.
 
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