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PokemonFisherman said:
Some of y'all thinking we are plugging in Nkosi Weldon and jarren tomorrow for lsu .. Spring isn't even over and you guys have no idea how much a summer and fall camp do for you as a player
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not only that, but as much as I want to kick LSU's ***, the ACC play is what matters. Week 5 is the real cut off point for the freshman to truly earn the starting job.
 
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STG said:
Nkosi in no way, shape or form wins anywhere near 10 games last season. It's a fact he did not start getting some of the playbook down until the final quarter of the season. And what he did get was minimal. **** he still doesn't have a large portion of ir down. So how do you come up with he produces similar results as Malik when he has very limited knowledge of the playbook, plus he can't even be efficient whith what he does know in non contact scrimmages?
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For the last time ill answer this just cause im tired of the topic & theres no point in disputing it. I explained to yall various times how limited nkosi was in his knowledge of the playbook etc. Also although he cant get hit (or isnt supposed to)its live action from the line. Obviously when you mentally know ur not gonna get rocked but tagged instead it helps. But regardless what we call for nkosi to run when hes in opposed to what we call for malik is even in scrimmages night and day. Dont take my word. Ask others who have seen scrimmages or practice. Malik the main play we still ask of him is a screen which he still cant be consistent on. If youre saying nkosi couldnt have ran the plays we asked of malik & nothing more than ur making quite the assumption. We just want him knowing the playbook. But if all malik runs is 20% of that than ill take nkosi with those same limitation and not be concerned in the least. Have a great night now. Im out.
 
Go Canes!! said:
I'm not saying anyone on our roster would have done better than Rosier. I'm 100% certain none of them would have.

That's not the issue. The issue is if there would have been a draft of ACC starting QBs at the end of last season, he likely would have gone in the bottom 1/3rd or worse.

The top three games you just listed yielded just over 60% passing and 4 TDs.

By just about anyone's rating scale that's average.

The rest were nothing short of atrocious, and got worse by the game.
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I am not arguing that Rosier is a good QB, what I am arguing is people wanting to push aside a guy who is 11-3 as a starter and set 3 school records in his 1st year starting for one of three QBs who habe never played a snap of college ball and somehow being able to predict that they will be a better option than Rosier. Nobody knows that. For all we know all 3 guys behind Rosier turn out to be bums.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Youre entitled to that. My issue with that would be the vast majority of last season chris was healthy... didnt seem to matter much. Although mark was running great to that point ur acting like hes a huge upgrade over homer last year. Travis wasnt our issue. Far as ahmmon goes i can atleast see the logic in that. Him running bubble screens all game opposed to jt or harley or langham or dayal is a huge difference. Maybe ahmmons bubble screens result in a net gain of 1.5 yards per completion as opposed yo the others... dont see any difference from that. Point is healthy or not our offense has zero room to grow if malik & his shoe lace bubble screens is still the option. Were all entitled to opinions though bruh. No arguement here. If you think lsu will be as bad as they were last year than youre praying on an anomaly. Be real with yourself. Dont expect the TEAM to be so flawed.
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Ok, so LSU is better, it’s not a stretch to say Miami will be as well, so I’ll still take Miami.
The whole assumption that Rosier cannot possibly improve is disengenous.
 
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I don’t know if I missed it but I would love to hear @DMoney thoughts on the scrimmage, QB and OL situation. Or is that on the next podcast?
 
STG said:
Nkosi in no way, shape or form wins anywhere near 10 games last season. It's a fact he did not start getting some of the playbook down until the final quarter of the season. And what he did get was minimal. **** he still doesn't have a large portion of ir down. So how do you come up with he produces similar results as Malik when he has very limited knowledge of the playbook, plus he can't even be efficient whith what he does know in non contact scrimmages?
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Not like Malik knows the whole play book helps
 
calinative umstudent said:
You are acting as if the ACCCG was today is the problem. If it were today, maybe I'd agree that Rosier would be the smart bet. But the fact of the matter is our goal is to beat Clemson and make the CFP to end the season. And to obtain that goal Rosier isn't good enough. We need someone MUCH better. Now what are the chances of Rosier improving a great deal by December? Pretty terrible odds imo.
Now what are the odds of one of the freshman improving a lot as the season goes on? Pretty good. Now whether that improvement would be good enough to accomplish our goals is one thing.

Basically who do you think will be the better QB from week 5 - week 13....Thats what actually matters. At the end of the day its better to lose the LSU game and get one of the freshman QBs a **** load of experience giving us a fighting chance to beat Clemson than it is to beat LSU with Rosier and have no shot vs Clemson......if that were even the decision, Personally If Rosier can beat LSU, I think any of the freshman can tbh.
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If none of the other guys can beat out Rosier for the job I don’t see how you just hand it to them . To do that you have to be ready to lose some games for the sake of grooming a young QB. Which it sounds like you are by your “week 5- week 13” comment . Every game matters if you want to get to the playoffs . Play the best players

I ain’t know we were in a rebuilding year again
 
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jjacks93 said:
If none of the other guys can beat out Rosier for the job I don’t see how you just hand it to them . To do that you have to be ready to lose some games for the sake of grooming a young QB. Which it sounds like you are by your “week 5- week 13” comment . Every game matters if you want to get to the playoffs . Play the best players

I ain’t know we were in a rebuilding year again
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Its like you missed literally everything that has been said.
I've never said we're in a rebuilding yr.
I find it funny that all you guys are willing to just hand the job to Rosier if nobody wins it, but find it so strange that I'd prefer to hand the job to one of the freshman.

Every game matters, your right, but ultimately the first 4 games matter the least. Thats just an inarguable fact. The first 4 weeks are all non-conference games. If we start the freshman and lose vs LSU, then go undefeated the rest of the season, do you think it'll ******* matter that we lose week 1? No.

The point of starting the Freshman over Rosier is: Its an even race and while Rosier has reached his ceiling, the freshman are just at their floors. They straight up just have the most potential.. Thats the entire point. Rosier performed literally as one of the 3 worst QBs in the ACC last year in all but like one category - TD%. But he was so awful he managed to offset that with one of the highest INT%s.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Its like you missed literally everything that has been said.
I've never said we're in a rebuilding yr.
I find it funny that all you guys are willing to just hand the job to Rosier if nobody wins it, but find it so strange that I'd prefer to hand the job to one of the freshman.

Every game matters, your right, but ultimately the first 4 games matter the least. Thats just an inarguable fact. The first 4 weeks are all non-conference games. If we start the freshman and lose vs LSU, then go undefeated the rest of the season, do you think it'll ******* matter that we lose week 1? No.

The point of starting the Freshman over Rosier is: Its an even race and while Rosier has reached his ceiling, the freshman are just at their floors. They straight up just have the most potential.. Thats the entire point. Rosier performed literally as one of the 3 worst QBs in the ACC last year in all but like one category - TD%. But he was so awful he managed to offset that with one of the highest INT%s.
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if it was an even race then all of the QBs would be getting even reps in practice . You want to believe it’s an even race because you don’t like Rosier . Richt has said Rosier is currently the starter . If it was even Richt would have come out and said that . Any other coach speak on the QB race I think has been to keep the competition going

With that being said , you play the best players . If you’re prepared to start a player based on potential and progress he may have later in the season, you’re prepared for a couple of losses . You think LSU will be the only game the freshmen struggle ? That’s wishful thinking. I don’t see why you’re assuming they will just drastically improve because they’re young . Nkosi and Weldon are currently proving that’s not the case . Williams may be a different story but we have no idea yet .

if you want to win a championship you don’t start players because they could potentially be good later in the season . You play the best **** player period. If Rosier is barely better, he’s better, start him. If the freshmen are to drastically improve like you’re assuming they will, they’ll overtake Rosier during the season anyways right ? So why just hand them the job based on potential if they didn’t win it ?

Your “oh the first 4 games don’t matter” attitude is a weak mindset that doesn’t belong at Miami or any top level program. You play to win every game .
 
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calinative umstudent said:
Its like you missed literally everything that has been said.
I've never said we're in a rebuilding yr.
I find it funny that all you guys are willing to just hand the job to Rosier if nobody wins it, but find it so strange that I'd prefer to hand the job to one of the freshman.

Every game matters, your right, but ultimately the first 4 games matter the least. Thats just an inarguable fact. The first 4 weeks are all non-conference games. If we start the freshman and lose vs LSU, then go undefeated the rest of the season, do you think it'll ******* matter that we lose week 1? No.

The point of starting the Freshman over Rosier is: Its an even race and while Rosier has reached his ceiling, the freshman are just at their floors. They straight up just have the most potential.. Thats the entire point. Rosier performed literally as one of the 3 worst QBs in the ACC last year in all but like one category - TD%. But he was so awful he managed to offset that with one of the highest INT%s.
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The reason people are arguing to not simply hand the job over to a Freshman QB unless they are head and shoulders better than Rosier, is you have NO CLUE what that Freshman QB can do. You are rolling the dice. No one can say that whoever gets a shot will be at least as good as Rosier was last year. We at least know what Rosier is capable of. Yes, he is not the greatest QB in the country, he is a middle of the pack QB. However, that QB accounted for 3600 total yards from scrimmage last year, 31 total TDs and led us to our first 10 win season in 15 years and our first ACCG appearance ever.

At the end of the day, if none of the young QB's separate themselves from Rosier with ease, than we are literally gambling the season away. I am not willing to do that in year 3 and potentially regress. That could cause irreversible damage to our recruiting efforts. Every coach in America will point to us regressing instead of progressing with the kids we are mutually going after. At this point, we need to be improving every year or at least maintaining what we just did, until we reach the final four. We can't afford to take a step back. I look at this schedule, and I see 9 wins for sure again in the regular season with Rosier starting. Than we have LSU, FSU and VT. Even if we go 1-2 in those games with Rosier, that is a 10-2 regular season. I am not the least bit confident as of TODAY, that any of the younger QB's can lead us to a 10-2 regular season.

Savannah State - W
Toledo - W
FIU - W
UNC - W
Virginia - W
BC - W
Duke - W
GT - W
PITT - W
 
Remember (not so long ago) when N'kosi was THE recruit we just HAD to get. Funny how things turn out.
 
Loose Cannon said:
Rarely do I disagree with you, but I just can’t go along with this idea that we couldn’t run the ball because the QB play was so horrible that teams didn’t have to account for our passing game.

Ken Dorsey won our last NC by scoring 23 TDs on 2,600 yards with a 56% completion rate.

The idea that we couldn’t run the ball because Rosier only accounted for 3,605 yards from scrimmage and 31 TDs with s 54% completion rate is just not accurate. There might, MIGHT have been 10 guys on that 2017 squad that would have seen any meaningful snaps on the 2001 team. Every member of the starting defense and most of the 2-deep were drafted into the NFL, and quite a few have gone on to have Hall of Fame careers. 4 of the 5 o-linemen were drafted. Mark Walton and Travis Homer would have been 4th and 5th string options, and our #1 receiver, Berrios would have not even gotten an offer.

The 2017 team didn’t achieve what the 2001 team did because they weren’t even close to being on the level of a championship caliber team. They went 10-3 in spite of a lot of shortcomings, not just Rosier’s.
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I'm a firm believer that a fantastic offensive line will mask a lot of shortcomings. Those 2000-2002 lines were loaded with All Americans and NFL draft picks. They opened huge holes for our backs and gave Dorsey a ridiculous level of protection. (I believe he was sacked like 5 times in 3 years) While we all love Kenny, it's no secret that he was physically limited but benefited from playing with that line and some of the best skill position talent in college football history. I'd hate to see him have to play behind some of the lines we've trotted out during recent seasons. He probably wouldn't make it through the season.

Incredible lines like that are the outlier in college football. Even the best teams can't just line up and impose their will every week like those Miami teams did. These days, you have to have some type of balance to keep teams honest. Even Alabama switched QBs in the national title game because they needed a threat to throw the ball down the field when Georgia sold out to stop the run and dared them to throw. A freakishly talented team like the 2001 Hurricanes might be able to overcome average QB play and still win out. A good but not great 2017-18 Miami team will need the QB to carry a little more of the load. I don't pin all the team's shortcoming's on Rosier but just having a more consistent threat to beat man coverage will make the entire offense so much better.
 
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hotshot said:
Remember (not so long ago) when N'kosi was THE recruit we just HAD to get. Funny how things turn out.
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That is because he got WAY OVER HYPED by Ariz and D$ from the beginning. Everyone just followed suit when they hyped him up. I mean, this wasn't some kid that everyone in college football wanted or something. He wasn't the next Peyton Manning. This was a kid that did not have an offer from FSU or UF. ****, he camped at FSU and CLEMSON for Jimbo and Dabo and never got an offer. Again, the kid was way over hyped to begin with.
 
Unless something dramatic happens this summer (another guy clearly beats out Rosier), I'm curious how short Rosier's leash will be during the year. In theory, Richt will have 2 other guys ready to go (without excuses).

And to those who think LSU will be an easy out - lmao. They will field another top notch/physical defense.
 
jjacks93 said:
if it was an even race then all of the QBs would be getting even reps in practice . You want to believe it’s an even race because you don’t like Rosier . Richt has said Rosier is currently the starter . If it was even Richt would have come out and said that . Any other coach speak on the QB race I think has been to keep the competition going

With that being said , you play the best players . If you’re prepared to start a player based on potential and progress he may have later in the season, you’re prepared for a couple of losses . You think LSU will be the only game the freshmen struggle ? That’s wishful thinking. I don’t see why you’re assuming they will just drastically improve because they’re young . Nkosi and Weldon are currently proving that’s not the case . Williams may be a different story but we have no idea yet .

if you want to win a championship you don’t start players because they could potentially be good later in the season . You play the best **** player period. If Rosier is barely better, he’s better, start him. If the freshmen are to drastically improve like you’re assuming they will, they’ll overtake Rosier during the season anyways right ? So why just hand them the job based on potential if they didn’t win it ?

Your “oh the first 4 games don’t matter” attitude is a weak mindset that doesn’t belong at Miami or any top level program. You play to win every game .
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You are correct, of course.

No matter how much one may dislike the idea of Rosier being the starter, if any other QB is to be taking the snaps, they have to prove it by performing better in practices and scrimmages than the established starter with an 11-3 lifetime record, no matter how many stats you want to pull.

There are almost exactly five months for one of three guys to hump it and prove that they are the man. But they need to convince the coaches and their teammates with their hard work, leadership and performance.

It’s literally up to them and how badly they want it.
 
jjacks93 said:
if it was an even race then all of the QBs would be getting even reps in practice . You want to believe it’s an even race because you don’t like Rosier . Richt has said Rosier is currently the starter . If it was even Richt would have come out and said that . Any other coach speak on the QB race I think has been to keep the competition going

With that being said , you play the best players . If you’re prepared to start a player based on potential and progress he may have later in the season, you’re prepared for a couple of losses . You think LSU will be the only game the freshmen struggle ? That’s wishful thinking. I don’t see why you’re assuming they will just drastically improve because they’re young . Nkosi and Weldon are currently proving that’s not the case . Williams may be a different story but we have no idea yet .

if you want to win a championship you don’t start players because they could potentially be good later in the season . You play the best **** player period. If Rosier is barely better, he’s better, start him. If the freshmen are to drastically improve like you’re assuming they will, they’ll overtake Rosier during the season anyways right ? So why just hand them the job based on potential if they didn’t win it ?

Your “oh the first 4 games don’t matter” attitude is a weak mindset that doesn’t belong at Miami or any top level program. You play to win every game .
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Some folks are for whatever reason under this silly notion that a player who hasn't been able to outperform Rosier in practice will transform into a world beater if given the opportunity on the biggest stage, in front of the biggest and possibly most hostile crowd we'll see all season. You don't make it to being a head coach in division 1 football by making foolish assumptions like that. The fact is more kids bust than blossom when the pressure is on. Listen to what Richt says about the QB race. Malik is the only guy who knows what to do to consistently put our offense in a position to be successful. That doesn't mean people executed perfectly. It's the first scrimmage of spring camp, after all, but one thing Richt said that stuck out to me when saying that Rosier was clearly out front of the QB race is that many balls were dropped so they were not grading QB accuracy solely on completions vs. attempts. If the QB hit a guy in the hands or between the numbers, he said they counted that as a successful rep by the QB.

I think that little tid bit is at least as worthy as anything else of the customary over-analysis found on CIS in the spring.
 
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