Scrimmage take...

[Calinative]

How's about one of the other guys does something to earn some praise...that would be a start at least.

If Rosier doesn't win the starting QB job as a redshirt senior, why on earth should he be named the starting qb?
Like I really just don't get why anyone would prefer Rosier over one of the freshman.

Rosier is maxed out....do you agree? He has just about no room left for improvement. He's just simply an inaccurate Qb.

The freshman have a great chance at improving as the season goes on....do you agree? If the freshman starts, he will have 4 weeks as a warm up before we get to ACC play. In the grand scheme of things, the LSU game doesn't matter all that much for what our overall goals are.

Starting one of the freshman is extremely beneficial to us for the future as well.....do you agree? We're going to have to break in a new qb this yr or next yr. If we do it this yr, we have the 4 warm up games, and by next season we could be in a great situation. At least we'd know if that qb is the guy or not. Essentially another yr of Rosier is pointless stagnation.

Like I've said, any tie should go to one of the freshman. Rosier would have to VASTLY outperform the freshman in summer camp for my opinion to change on this.

 

[OkieCane]

Richt is conservative, I agree if a frosh is close to Rosier start him, but I don't think that's Richt's style at all

 

[Brooklyndee]

Why do we need Rosier to outplay the opposing QB to win? By your own statement, you are saying he didn't, yet we won 10 out 13 games. So it's already been proven that we can win without him outplaying the opposing QB if you want to say he didn't.

Funny how people mention Dorsey, he was not an accurate passer at all. Each year his completion percentage got worse while at UM, with his Senior year being 56.5%.

In that equation you're saying we should also expect the same results from the defense(especially turnovers,sacks & tfl). because without that all that occurring youd be a fool to assume our qb play was even close to good enough to give us that same record or better. Thats taking a huge liberty in assuming we get even close to those results ot of this defense

 

[QuattroCane]

If Rosier doesn't win the starting QB job as a redshirt senior, why on earth should he be named the starting qb?
Like I really just don't get why anyone would prefer Rosier over one of the freshman.

Rosier is maxed out....do you agree? He has just about no room left for improvement. He's just simply an inaccurate Qb.

The freshman have a great chance at improving as the season goes on....do you agree? If the freshman starts, he will have 4 weeks as a warm up before we get to ACC play. In the grand scheme of things, the LSU game doesn't matter all that much for what our overall goals are.

Starting one of the freshman is extremely beneficial to us for the future as well.....do you agree? We're going to have to break in a new qb this yr or next yr. If we do it this yr, we have the 4 warm up games, and by next season we could be in a great situation. At least we'd know if that qb is the guy or not. Essentially another yr of Rosier is pointless stagnation.

Like I've said, any tie should go to one of the freshman. Rosier would have to VASTLY outperform the freshman in summer camp for my opinion to change on this.

I don't disagree with that line of thinking to a degree, but like I mentioned until we get something of substance on the young guys, I can't unconditionally jump on board. After so many mediocre years and a little taste of success, I can't bring myself to advocate throwing away a season to get another guy ready. Shortsighted, I know, but I'm just being honest.

 

[OkieCane]

I don't disagree with that line of thinking to a degree, but like I mentioned until we get something of substance on the young guys, I can't unconditionally jump on board. After so many mediocre years and a little taste of success, I can't bring myself to advocate throwing away a season to get another guy ready. Shortsighted, I know, but I'm just being honest.

and I think Richt will see it the same way, the only true fresh I remember him starting at UGA was Stafford who enrolled early outta HS, and maybe Quincy carter, but he was older due to playing baseball for a few years

 

[Go Canes!!]

If Rosier doesn't win the starting QB job as a redshirt senior, why on earth should he be named the starting qb?
Like I really just don't get why anyone would prefer Rosier over one of the freshman.

Rosier is maxed out....do you agree? He has just about no room left for improvement. He's just simply an inaccurate Qb.

The freshman have a great chance at improving as the season goes on....do you agree? If the freshman starts, he will have 4 weeks as a warm up before we get to ACC play. In the grand scheme of things, the LSU game doesn't matter all that much for what our overall goals are.

Starting one of the freshman is extremely beneficial to us for the future as well.....do you agree? We're going to have to break in a new qb this yr or next yr. If we do it this yr, we have the 4 warm up games, and by next season we could be in a great situation. At least we'd know if that qb is the guy or not. Essentially another yr of Rosier is pointless stagnation.

Like I've said, any tie should go to one of the freshman. Rosier would have to VASTLY outperform the freshman in summer camp for my opinion to change on this.

You play to win the game. Even if marginally better and only experience gives him a greater edge, you start him. We aren't Virginia or Syracuse, a team building for the future. We are supposed to be a national championship contending team. Why would we even think about going into any game with even the slightest disadvantage.

 

[Loose Cannon]

As far as the defense goes, did everyone forget that we played from FSU to Clemson without being the beneficiary of a holding call? Diaz’s defensive scheme is predicted upon being able to get upfield and disrupt plays in the backfield before they have a chance to develop. He is going to consistently look like a fool when the opposing O-line is allowed to hold with impunity—especially on 3rd downs.

This is why you saw Pastor Rick show his *** a few times last season. Our entire defensive philosophy is kneecapped if our opponents are allowed to hold. If the ACC calls games the same way as they did last season, don’t expect an improvement. It doesn’t matter how good our D-line is if the O-line is allowed to cheat.

 

[Canezum5]

Richt, whose made a living using the shallow cross concepts, is now being judged for his lack thereof. If anyone understands the personnel needed to successfully run more shallow cross, its Mark Richt.

Guys in here claiming that there has been no changes, tweaks or innovations are just stupid and blind.

We did not run Zone/read option run plays in 2016 at all. We didn't run wildcat, at all, we never used the DT as the read before, Richt never ran RPO before UM either. He even tried rolling the pocket for Malik in the Clemson game and Malik STILL couldn't complete a 2 yard throw.

I mean, he worked magic to get 10 wins out of Malik Rosier.

Richt is running shid weve either never seen or rarely seen in his entire career ,to boost this offense, and guys are saying we haven't made any adjustments or tweaks.

SMH, you cant make this shid up man.

 

[Canezum5]

Mark Richt was so done with Rosier, not only did he bench him for Shireffs, he also let DJ run the wildcat for a few series.

I mean, please tell me the last time Mark Richt ran the friggin wildcat?

If that isn't proof that Malik wont be starting this year I don't know what is.

I don't carte about the coach speak.

Rosier sucks and wont ever start another game for Richt.

#nodebate

 

[paksat]

Richt is conservative, I agree if a frosh is close to Rosier start him, but I don't think that's Richt's style at all

conservative

bro? no

onside kick vs gatech

going for it on 4th down vs notre dame in a horrible spot ( threw a jump ball on top of it )

richt got wild in a lot of spots last season, I can't believe some of those 4th downs that he still decided to say **** it we're going for it

 

[Loose Cannon]

Mark Richt was so done with Rosier, not only did he bench him for Shireffs, he also let DJ run the wildcat for a few series.

I mean, please tell me the last time Mark Richt ran the friggin wildcat?

If that isn't proof that Malik wont be starting this year I don't know what is.

I don't carte about the coach speak.

Rosier sucks and wont ever start another game for Richt.

#nodebate

But on the flip side, look what Richt did WITH Rosier.

A 2 star athlete with 1 D-I offer who had never even tried to watch film wins 10 games, sets the Miami single season TD record, starts in the ACCCG and the Orange Bowl...

 

[OkieCane]

conservative

bro? no

onside kick vs gatech

going for it on 4th down vs notre dame in a horrible spot ( threw a jump ball on top of it )

richt got wild in a lot of spots last season, I can't believe some of those 4th downs that he still decided to say **** it we're going for it

He played less talented guys at UGA over more talented inexperienced guys all the time. He's a good coach, but he's not throwing a young kid not ready to play out there. It sucks, but it's likely Rosier again.

I spent 9 months on the WEZ last off season telling everyone it wasn't Sheriffs, or Weldon, or Perry, and very few agreed.

 

[Loose Cannon]

conservative

bro? no

onside kick vs gatech

going for it on 4th down vs notre dame in a horrible spot ( threw a jump ball on top of it )

richt got wild in a lot of spots last season, I can't believe some of those 4th downs that he still decided to say **** it we're going for it

That stems from the idea that if you're not running the same type of gimmick offense that the 8-5 Pac12 teams run, then you're too conservative. Let's put an end to that Mike Leech et. al. bull**** once and for all, right here. That spread option or air-raid nonsense is made to put your athletes in space against teams with fewer athletes. It is good for winning 7-9 games each year, maybe 10 or 11 when you have a Heisman finalist like Mariotta or Joey Harrington, but they ain't worth a **** when you face the 3 or 4 teams that you can't out athlete.

Football is a game of chess. It ain't a game of strength or speed. It's a game of strategy. How do you win when you are not the best team? That is what makes a good coach. Richt's offense has an answer for anything a defense brings to the table, I don't give a **** if it's Notre Dame or Alabama. But it does require someone who can execute.

 

[STG]

In that equation you're saying we should also expect the same results from the defense(especially turnovers,sacks & tfl). because without that all that occurring youd be a fool to assume our qb play was even close to good enough to give us that same record or better. Thats taking a huge liberty in assuming we get even close to those results ot of this defense

I can point to deficiencies with last year's defense. Everyone points to the TFL, SACKS, and TO's, but more important statistical categories such as 3rd Down Conversion Percentage Defense was horrible at 75th in the country. We didn't make enough stops when we needed to. Our Red Zone Defense was 105th in the country. We didn't stop opposing offenses anywhere near enough when they got inside our 20.

The point is, our failures as a team last year did not fall squarely on Rosier's shoulders. If anyone believes that, they have no idea what they are looking at. I am not a fan of Rosier at all, but dude is getting way too much flack. Let me ask you a question, knowing what Sherrifs was, what is our record with him last year at QB? Knowing that Perry has completed 43% of his passes in 4 scrimmages with no contact. Knowing he didn't start grasping the playbook until the last few games of the season. Knowing that the dude to this point clearly does not have it. What is our record last year with him?

I am willing to wager that if either Evan or Nkosi is our starter last year, we aren't a .500 team. People need to be thankful we finally managed a 10 win season after 15 years and a trip to the ACCG for the first time ever. Now everyone wants a QB who has never taken college snap to just take over without showing they deserve it because some folks just don't want to see Rosier out there again. Unless someone is head and shoulders better than Rosier, Rosier not only needs to be out there, I am willing to be Richt puts him out there. He is not going to start someone simply because they are younger and test the waters hoping they do better in live situations, versus doing poor in practice.

 

[OkieCane]

Conservative in that he starts experience over youthful talent more often than not, not play calling. He did it at UGA a lot too. If Rosier is lets say a 65 rating at starting QB in his mind, and Jarren or Perry are 60 (made up values) I think he would he choose to start Rosier. I don't agree with that, but that's his style IMO

 

[Calinative]

I don't disagree with that line of thinking to a degree, but like I mentioned until we get something of substance on the young guys, I can't unconditionally jump on board. After so many mediocre years and a little taste of success, I can't bring myself to advocate throwing away a season to get another guy ready. Shortsighted, I know, but I'm just being honest.

and I think Richt will see it the same way, the only true fresh I remember him starting at UGA was Stafford who enrolled early outta HS, and maybe Quincy carter, but he was older due to playing baseball for a few years

Okay, I Kinda agree that its not Richts "way" to roll with the "riskier" player at QB. I get that. However the mere fact that Rosier is a 5th yr senior and isn't separating himself from 3 ******* freshman QBs, imo shows that the Freshman aren't actually the riskier plays here. The only reason Rosier can possibly be viewed as the "safer" choice is you know what you're going to get - ****. Whereas with the freshman you either get an even bigger ****, or something quite pleasant.

And Quatro you say you can't advocate throwing away a season to get another guy ready, but thats not the case I'm even making. Obviously for long term success its better to rock with a freshman, which you agree with. But I am LITERALLY saying it is better for our short term success THIS season as well. Maybe it wouldn't be the best move for us to throw a Frosh out vs LSU, but the next 3 weeks are all warm up games for us. We give the freshman QBs real game experience those 4 weeks, and I have no doubt they will have improved and surpassed anything Rosier could offer us by week 5. The Only question is how much can Rosier improve? I'm of the opinion that he has absolutely reached his ceiling. While the 3 freshman are all currently at their floors essentially.

So My overall point is IN AN EVEN COMPETITION, where no one has separated themselves - or even just marginally - Do you rock with the guy already at his ceiling, or one of the guys that are at their floor? The guy at his ceiling is ****, and wont grow as the season progresses, which is whats most important. The guys at their floor are just about guaranteed to improve as the season progresses. Thats the situation we are in.

 

[Go Canes!!]

I can point to deficiencies with last year's defense. Everyone points to the TFL, SACKS, and TO's, but more important statistical categories such as 3rd Down Conversion Percentage Defense was horrible at 75th in the country. We didn't make enough stops when we needed to. Our Red Zone Defense was 105th in the country. We didn't stop opposing offenses anywhere near enough when they got inside our 20.

The point is, our failures as a team last year did not fall squarely on Rosier's shoulders. If anyone believes that, they have no idea what they are looking at. I am not a fan of Rosier at all, but dude is getting way too much flack. Let me ask you a question, knowing what Sherrifs was, what is our record with him last year at QB? Knowing that Perry has completed 43% of his passes in 4 scrimmages with no contact. Knowing he didn't start grasping the playbook until the last few games of the season. Knowing that the dude to this point clearly does not have it. What is our record last year with him?

I am willing to wager that if either Evan or Nkosi is our starter last year, we aren't a .500 team. People need to be thankful we finally managed a 10 win season after 15 years and a trip to the ACCG for the first time ever. Now everyone wants a QB who has never taken college snap to just take over without showing they deserve it because some folks just don't want to see Rosier out there again. Unless someone is head and shoulders better than Rosier, Rosier not only needs to be out there, I am willing to be Richt puts him out there. He is not going to start someone simply because they are younger and test the waters hoping they do better in live situations, versus doing poor in practice.

Your logic is completely flawed.

Perry was a true freshman who admitted he didn't even know how to watch film when he got here and Sherreffs obviously had no business being here to begin with.

No one is saying he shouldn't have been the starter. He was the best available on our roster. That by no means makes him any good.

He made a great throw at FSU, that's true. But he was 19 of 44 that game. He hit the miracle against G Tech but it was the wrong read, undertrown and into double coverage.

His remaining starts were average to horrific and got progressively worse.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

LSU will murder Rosier if he is the starter. Crap offensive line, coupled with the grade school level offense from CMR.

 

[Calinative]

You play to win the game. Even if marginally better and only experience gives him a greater edge, you start him. We aren't Virginia or Syracuse, a team building for the future. We are supposed to be a national championship contending team. Why would we even think about going into any game with even the slightest disadvantage.

You are acting as if the ACCCG was today is the problem. If it were today, maybe I'd agree that Rosier would be the smart bet. But the fact of the matter is our goal is to beat Clemson and make the CFP to end the season. And to obtain that goal Rosier isn't good enough. We need someone MUCH better. Now what are the chances of Rosier improving a great deal by December? Pretty terrible odds imo.
Now what are the odds of one of the freshman improving a lot as the season goes on? Pretty good. Now whether that improvement would be good enough to accomplish our goals is one thing.

Basically who do you think will be the better QB from week 5 - week 13....Thats what actually matters. At the end of the day its better to lose the LSU game and get one of the freshman QBs a **** load of experience giving us a fighting chance to beat Clemson than it is to beat LSU with Rosier and have no shot vs Clemson......if that were even the decision, Personally If Rosier can beat LSU, I think any of the freshman can tbh.

 

[Wash140in60]

Also, how many crossing routes did we actually try to run, but Rosier ended up having the pass batted down by a defensive lineman? I don't have any idea of a ballpark figure on this, but from what I remember of last season, it's possible that number could be pretty high.

Yeah it's kinda hard to attack the middle of the field when Rosier siderams it after winding uo long enough to give grandma in the first row an opportunity to bat it down.