Ruiz stadium update

But look at the huge, sustained jump in attendance when the Marlins moved to their own billion dollar stadium.

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Fell off a cliff along with their record, but saw a boost for the first 6 years after stadium completion regardless of record. Gotta understand the game attendee demographic and point of origin. Perhaps the Marlins ate *** on that calcuation to move. The Marlins started out in the House of Plastic, whereas UM established decades of equity in the heart of Miami. These are straight forward analytics that a due diligence plan will include.
 
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I don’t mind traffic as long as there is ample parking. Back in the day at the orange bowl used to park on peoples front yards for a few bucks.

Ok genius tell us the roads we will take to get there.

This should be fun to hear LOL

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Not advocating for a tear down of CG HS, but the location is 2 blocks from Douglas Road Metrorail. You can show up to the game already rouffied out.
 
most do lol outside of college towns lol.

the heat rent the arena.

the marlins rent the stadium

the panthers rent the arena.

going to CFB -- temple rents, USC rents, etc.

its cheaper to rent than to own. fins own JRS bc Joe Robbie built it in the 80 using private funds.

USC doesn’t rent; they are operating partners & make revenue. The Marlins also are operating partners to LoanDepot Park.
 
Fell off a cliff along with their record, but saw a boost for the first 6 years after stadium completion regardless of record. Gotta understand the game attendee demographic and point of origin. Perhaps the Marlins ate *** on that calcuation to move. The Marlins started out in the House of Plastic, whereas UM established decades of equity in the heart of Miami. These are straight forward analytics that a due diligence plan will include.
Oh, the Marlins have a hand in their own demise beyond location to be certain. but knowing how many people from PSL down to WPB won't go to Miami, but would go to HRS, I'm comfortable saying the location is also a factor.
 
How about you STFU you arrogant prick.

The theoretical $500M comes from somewhere so IDGAF if its Ruiz or 500 people spending money on a stadium ... that money would be better spent on NIL, coaches, support staff, and on-campus facilities.

Totally disagree with your commentary of "if he wants to spend his money blah blah blah". Its the job of the AD, Highsmith, and others to direct donors to make donations and investments in UMs future focusing on THE BEST USE OF THAT MONEY. If Jeff Shoffer wanted to honor his mother by building a $14M statute of her in front of the Hecht center would that have been a good use of those funds for UM, or finishing off the IPF?

Your entire persona in here is off the charts know-it-all *******. If I had to wager you're either an attorney or a Dr b/c you think you are the smartest guy in the room in every conversation.

Not to butt in, but he has a point. I’m not sure y this fan base have this either/or mentality. And they typically do count other people money.

So far, I’ve seen fans complain about upgrading facilities. The counter argument? “Why upgrade facilities, kids care more about NIL; I rather spend $ on that.’

It’s the same rhetoric that’s being used to dissuade a stadium being built. It doesn’t have to be either or.
 
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Oh, the Marlins have a hand in their own demise beyond location to be certain. but knowing how many people from PSL down to WPB won't go to Miami, but would go to HRS, I'm comfortable saying the location is also a factor.

The Marlins r not a good example, bro. Like at all.
 
The Marlins r not a good example, bro. Like at all.
You'd have just as hard a time explaining why anyone actually went as to why they didn't. But the location certainly didn't help them.

People thought they could get Miami to be like other cities where people would hop on public transit and go to a game whenever. Miami isn't like that.
 
Not to butt in, but he has a point. I’m not sure y this fan base have this either/or mentality. And they typically do count other people money.

So far, I’ve seen fans complain about upgrading facilities. The counter argument? “Why upgrade facilities, kids care more about NIL; I rather spend $ on that.’

It’s the same rhetoric that’s being used to dissuade a stadium being built. It doesn’t have to be either or.
That is all fine and well if there was truly unlimited resources but in the real world there is no such thing. If Ruiz and others wanted to donate/invest $5/10/15 Billion into UM there would literally be 20+ projects more important to UM athletics, academics, and overall student life than building a depreciating asset stadium.
 
That is all fine and well if there was truly unlimited resources but in the real world there is no such thing. If Ruiz and others wanted to donate/invest $5/10/15 Billion into UM there would literally be 20+ projects more important to UM athletics, academics, and overall student life than building a depreciating asset stadium.

Let me ask; real question here.

Let’s say we get a stadium in which we’re the operating partner, & it puts an add’l $4-5m/yr into our pockets, would u be opposed to that?
 
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Let me ask; real question here.

Let’s say we get a stadium in which we’re the operating partner, & it puts an add’l $4-5m/yr into our pockets, would u be opposed to that?
I think you are in LA, so I don't think you realize its not an apples to apples comparison w/USC, but using your hypothetical it all depends on how much capital it takes to create that $4-5M per year.

If UM has to tie up $100M+ in capital/donations they could use elsewhere then that is not a good ROI.

Boosters don't have unlimited resources so even financing a $500M stadium (totally unrealistic BTW ... a 60k seat stadium with road improvements will be $800M-$1B easy) then that $4-5M is a crappy ROI even if boosters build and let UM keep the profits from UM gamedays. Those booster resources could be used to dramatically improve the university athletics facilities/support staff, academics, and student life.

UF and FSU (and countless others) have their stadiums given to them by the tax payers, are the only game in town, host other events with no competition, and yet they still struggle to maintain those stadiums and are always behind on capital projects and improvements.
 
Let me ask; real question here.

Let’s say we get a stadium in which we’re the operating partner, & it puts an add’l $4-5m/yr into our pockets, would u be opposed to that?
It would be nice, wouldn't it?
 
You'd have just as hard a time explaining why anyone actually went as to why they didn't. But the location certainly didn't help them.

People thought they could get Miami to be like other cities where people would hop on public transit and go to a game whenever. Miami isn't like that.

From what I understand, The Marlins never caught on in Miami, even when they were playing in Miami Gardens. Hence, y many felt it was dumb to even build a stadium for themselves. It has to make sense.
 
Not to butt in, but he has a point. I’m not sure y this fan base have this either/or mentality. And they typically do count other people money.

So far, I’ve seen fans complain about upgrading facilities. The counter argument? “Why upgrade facilities, kids care more about NIL; I rather spend $ on that.’

It’s the same rhetoric that’s being used to dissuade a stadium being built. It doesn’t have to be either or.


Don't worry about him, @Rellyrell , he's a whiny little cvnty complainer who flies off the handle when you provide factual analysis.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean that every opinion is equally correct. The last refuge of the exposed whiners is to start yelling at people with more knowledge by calling them "know-it-alls" and whatnot.

Hey, I know more than ssvir does. I'm not ashamed of that.

But knowledge is similar to money, in that if you have more of it and try to share a bit, you will probably be attacked by those who have less.
 
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Know whose family owns Magic City? The same person going at Ruiz in public with Billy Corben because he’s upset someone is finally spending money to update Hecht.
Not to mention that clown is basically why we no longer have legal sports betting in this state. It was his lawsuit that got it halted.

The fact that he's butt buddies with Corben is all you need to know but he also basically just lives off (reputationally) of his grandmother's donations to the school- ones that would probably be laughed at by today's standards. I'd also be also be willing to wager that he's close with David Epstein and the old rot element of the BoT.

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I think you are in LA, so I don't think you realize its not an apples to apples comparison w/USC, but using your hypothetical it all depends on how much capital it takes to create that $4-5M per year.

If UM has to tie up $100M+ in capital/donations they could use elsewhere then that is not a good ROI.

Boosters don't have unlimited resources so even financing a $500M stadium (totally unrealistic BTW ... a 60k seat stadium with road improvements will be $800M-$1B easy) then that $4-5M is a crappy ROI even if boosters build and let UM keep the profits from UM gamedays. Those booster resources could be used to dramatically improve the university athletics facilities/support staff, academics, and student life.

UF and FSU (and countless others) have their stadiums given to them by the tax payers, are the only game in town, host other events with no competition, and yet they still struggle to maintain those stadiums and are always behind on capital projects and improvements.

Wooooooo, bro. Sheesh. I asked a simple ?, & u gave me a dissertation on boosters, history, deep pockets, scenarios. Got ****; AGAIN, if a stadium meant more revenue for the school, would u be happy IN THAT SCENARIO? Pls, yes or no.

U know what, fck it. I don’t wanna know b/c I feel a “it depends” answer.
 
You'd have just as hard a time explaining why anyone actually went as to why they didn't. But the location certainly didn't help them.

People thought they could get Miami to be like other cities where people would hop on public transit and go to a game whenever. Miami isn't like that.


Nah, man, there are very understandable reasons, not the least of which is that baseball is 81 games, with a lot of weeknight games and some inconsistency of scheduling (times, dates, number of games, length of games, etc.).

Bottom line, you can mark off the calendar for 7 UM home football games and plan accordingly.

As for the whole "people from Port St. Lucie to West Palm Beach won't come", sure, that's inherent in any stadium relocation in any town. It happens. Some people stop attending, some new people start attending.

I'm not criticizing your thoughts on the subject at all, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But numerous times, I have seen the rationale that pits "existing ticketholders" against an idea that acknowledges that we are destroying the most natural creation of UM fans, namely the students and alums. It is very popular to demonize the UM students as apathetic and spoiled, people who do not go out to games, etc. But the same things were said in the 1980s and 1990s, I knew plenty of fellow students who REFUSED to go to games.

However, the student body creates alums, and alums create donors. And, yes, we can acknowledge that a lot of people give a lot of money to UM Athletics who are NOT alums, but we can also admit that those non-alums are also not hit up to donate to the Law School or the Business School or the Richter Library renovations like an alum is.

So let's leave it at this. Just as "better UM Athletics" has been shown to drive increased UM applications and better academic rankings, so too does "increased UM involvement as a student" drive increased participation as an alum and/or donor. And from my experience working with the UM Alumni Association, we can see a difference in both "interest" and "involvement" among younger UM alums since our football team was forced out of the Orange Bowl and/or fell off in terms of W-L records (and, yes, there is some overlap in those two issues).

Regardless of the binary (and brainless) argument-of-extremes over "Hard Rock vs. Tropical (and I'm talking about arguments that claim certain people will "never" attend again if the stadium moves 10 or 12 miles), we need to find a way to get more UM students to the UM games. And we need to eliminate the "kids today" silly arguments, because I was hearing the same crap 35 years ago.

Go to college. Have a good time. Get a job and make money. Donate to your alma mater.

It's the circle of life, it's been going on for decades, regardless of how technology and social media and everything else around us changes.

And all of those who support UM Athletics are important, we just shouldn't sacrifice our future fanbase because some of the existing ticketholders are happy with the status quo.

Dan's got a lot of interesting challenges ahead as AD, and "stadium" is one of the largest.
 
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They should put the stadium downtown, next to Marlins Park.


That has always been one of my two favorite sites. "Next to Marlins Park" or "Replace Magic City Casino and the Dirt Mall".

If we have to take Tropical as a consolation prize, so be it, but the other two sites along 836 are superior.

We need to get with John Ruiz and have him find the land to do a swap with Magic City.
 
From what I understand, The Marlins never caught on in Miami, even when they were playing in Miami Gardens. Hence, y many felt it was dumb to even build a stadium for themselves. It has to make sense.
Nah, man, there are very understandable reasons, not the least of which is that baseball is 81 games, with a lot of weeknight games and some inconsistency of scheduling (times, dates, number of games, length of games, etc.).

Bottom line, you can mark off the calendar for 7 UM home football games and plan accordingly.

As for the whole "people from Port St. Lucie to West Palm Beach won't come", sure, that's inherent in any stadium relocation in any town. It happens. Some people stop attending, some new people start attending.

I'm not criticizing your thoughts on the subject at all, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But numerous times, I have seen the rationale that pits "existing ticketholders" against an idea that acknowledges that we are destroying the most natural creation of UM fans, namely the students and alums. It is very popular to demonize the UM students as apathetic and spoiled, people who do not go out to games, etc. But the same things were said in the 1980s and 1990s, I knew plenty of fellow students who REFUSED to go to games.

However, the student body creates alums, and alums create donors. And, yes, we can acknowledge that a lot of people give a lot of money to UM Athletics who are NOT alums, but we can also admit that those non-alums are also not hit up to donate to the Law School or the Business School or the Richter Library renovations like an alum is.

So let's leave it at this. Just as "better UM Athletics" has been shown to drive increased UM applications and better academic rankings, so too does "increased UM involvement as a student" drive increased participation as an alum and/or donor. And from my experience working with the UM Alumni Association, we can see a difference in both "interest" and "involvement" among younger UM alums since our football team was forced out of the Orange Bowl and/or fell off in terms of W-L records (and, yes, there is some overlap in those two issues).

Regardless of the binary (and brainless) argument-of-extremes over "Hard Rock vs. Tropical (and I'm talking about arguments that claim certain people will "never" attend again if the stadium moves 10 or 12 miles), we need to find a way to get more UM students to the UM games. And we need to eliminate the "kids today" silly arguments, because I was hearing the same crap 35 years ago.

Go to college. Have a good time. Get a job and make money. Donate to your alma mater.

It's the circle of life, it's been going on for decades, regardless of how technology and social media and everything else around us changes.

And all of those who support UM Athletics are important, we just shouldn't sacrifice our future fanbase because some of the existing ticketholders are happy with the status quo.

Dan's got a lot of interesting challenges ahead as AD, and "stadium" is one of the largest.
The Marlins actually had a fan base to the north largely because of spring training. For whatever reason they thought moving to the center of the city was a good idea, but that combined with a mediocre product and failure was inevitable. They had a shot at getting the retiree who has the time to go to a midday, midweek game when they were at HRS, but there's a zero percent chance that retiree is driving home during rush hour through Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach rush hours more than once.

As far as the Canes, realistically, HRS is the best solution traffic-wise and puts them central to the largest number of fans. Winning puts butts in seats, so if they can get a stadium of their own with the additional revenue that comes with it, that might offset some of the losses and is really the only way to justify making the traffic situation worse and possibly reducing tailgating. Moving just to share a soccer stadium or for anything that doesn't bring in millions in revenue is a waste of time.
 
Don't worry about him, @Rellyrell , he's a whiny little cvnty complainer who flies off the handle when you provide factual analysis.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean that every opinion is equally correct. The last refuge of the exposed whiners is to start yelling at people with more knowledge by calling them "know-it-alls" and whatnot.

Hey, I know more than ssvir does. I'm not ashamed of that.

But knowledge is similar to money, in that if you have more of it and try to share a bit, you will probably be attacked by those who have less.

He’s just mad because he hates driving to Miami. **** em.

Like I said before, Miami, Mario and Rad aren’t saying no to a free state of the art stadium down the street.
 
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