RB targets

[DMoney]

D$ is paid to pump out propaganda from the Hecht. Memnon has been an instrumental proponent of this board and has no dog in this fight.

If you polled 10000 fans from around CFB to say who’s better, 99% would said Hughes. The 1% would be superfans from Miami.

I know which side I’m riding with. And I’m not saying Lyle is not good - I think he’ll be a very good RB in due time.

But to go into 2025 will all your eggs in his basket and not even look to upgrade at the position is not only risky, but reckless behavior.

This is a BS post. Let me set the record straight on a few things.

First, you know nothing about how I get paid. If you hear an opinion from me, it’s what I believe.

When I told you the coaches were hyping Emory, I was reporting what they were saying. I repeatedly gave my PERSONAL opinion that he wasn’t the guy. If I was spreading propaganda, I would’ve talked up Emory.

Second, I live in the real world. It’s very easy to say we should get every great player. That takes zero insight and is pure fantasy football.

In the real world, there is a budget. We had a horrible defense and have no QB. Where do you think that budget should go?

On the other hand, we had one of the best running games in the country, bring back four OL starters and have three Top 10 backs out of high school. Again, only someone with no concept of budget would demand pouring our limited resources into a hugely expensive back.

Third, I never said Lyle was better than Hughes. You won’t find that post because it doesn’t exist. When @Memnon said it was indisputable that Hughes was better, I said I didn’t know for sure because we haven’t seen Lyle as a featured back yet. He’s a highly rated freshmen that has performed very well in limited duty- he could be great, or he could be average. That story hasn’t been told.

Oregon has the biggest budget in the sport and a complete team. The running game is one of the few areas where Miami was significantly better than them this year. They got a great player in Hughes, and he should have a great season for them.

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

 

[Robbymoto]

This is a BS post. Let me set the record straight on a few things.

First, you know nothing about how I get paid. If you hear an opinion from me, it’s what I believe.

When I told you the coaches were hyping Emory, I was reporting what they were saying. I repeatedly gave my PERSONAL opinion that he wasn’t the guy. If I was spreading propaganda, I would’ve talked up Emory.

Second, I live in the real world. It’s very easy to say we should get every great player. That takes zero insight and is pure fantasy football.

In the real world, there is a budget. We had a horrible defense and have no QB. Where do you think that budget should go?

On the other hand, we had one of the best running games in the country, bring back four OL starters and have three Top 10 backs out of high school. Again, only someone with no concept of budget would suggest pouring our limited resources into a hugely expensive back.

Third, I never said Lyle was better than Hughes. You won’t find that post because it doesn’t exist. When @Memnon said it was indisputable that Hughes was better, I said I didn’t know for sure because we haven’t seen Lyle as a featured back yet. He’s a highly rated freshmen that has performed very well in limited duty- he could be great, or he could be average. That story hasn’t been told.

Oregon has the biggest budget in the sport and a complete team. The running game is one of the few areas where Miami was significantly better than them this year. They got a great player in Hughes, and he should have a great season for them.

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

Every dope on this board who spews: blank check, brinks truck, F you money,
etc is completely out of touch with reality. I'm convinced they still live with their Mothers.

 

[htownkidd]

I 1000% agree that the fund allocation pecking order should be defensive spots over RB. It’s just frustrating because we just saw how important a special back like Martinez was for us. Of course we hope Lyle can give us that, but we don’t know that and to leave it up for grabs like that knowing we are about to experience a massive dip in QB play is just blah.

But $ is the name of the game, and again, I (along with others I’m sure) fully understand that there is only so much $ to go around.

 

[DMoney]

I 1000% agree that the fund allocation pecking order should be defensive spots over RB. It’s just frustrating because we just saw how important a special back like Martinez was for us. Of course we hope Lyle can give us that, but we don’t know that and to leave it up for grabs like that knowing we are about to experience a massive dip in QB play is just blah.

But $ is the name of the game, and again, I (along with others I’m sure) fully understand that there is only so much $ to go around.

The reason I’m frustrated is because, in the middle of the season, people thought Martinez was slow and said I was “spreading propaganda” by arguing that Martinez should stay the #1 back ahead of dynamic guys like Lyle. A mere month later, and Lyle is average because he’s not busting 90-yard runs every week.

Here’s what should be common sense but may be a controversial take: we have an excellent run-blocking OL. We are Top 5 in the nation in yards per rush. Anybody with NFL talent will look great behind those guys. I’m confident at least one of our three Top 10 recruits is an NFL talent, and it makes more sense to spend that money on the positions that cost us the playoffs.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

This is a BS post. Let me set the record straight on a few things.

First, you know nothing about how I get paid. If you hear an opinion from me, it’s what I believe.

When I told you the coaches were hyping Emory, I was reporting what they were saying. I repeatedly gave my PERSONAL opinion that he wasn’t the guy. If I was spreading propaganda, I would’ve talked up Emory.

Second, I live in the real world. It’s very easy to say we should get every great player. That takes zero insight and is pure fantasy football.

In the real world, there is a budget. We had a horrible defense and have no QB. Where do you think that budget should go?

On the other hand, we had one of the best running games in the country, bring back four OL starters and have three Top 10 backs out of high school. Again, only someone with no concept of budget would demand pouring our limited resources into a hugely expensive back.

Third, I never said Lyle was better than Hughes. You won’t find that post because it doesn’t exist. When @Memnon said it was indisputable that Hughes was better, I said I didn’t know for sure because we haven’t seen Lyle as a featured back yet. He’s a highly rated freshmen that has performed very well in limited duty- he could be great, or he could be average. That story hasn’t been told.

Oregon has the biggest budget in the sport and a complete team. The running game is one of the few areas where Miami was significantly better than them this year. They got a great player in Hughes, and he should have a great season for them.

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be a pecking order. I think every single fan would say we should ABSOLUTELY allocate a majority of funds to the defense. It would be a criminal offense not to. Unfortunately, we might have even more holes than we perceived on defense due to a lack of development, but that’s a separate argument. And now we have to spend more on hiring a whole new defensive staff. I would argue we still haven’t done enough to address the defensive side of the ball, considering who we will lose on the DL…

But the fact remains, this is not an excuse to ignore other positions when top talent comes into the portal. Oregon has recruited very well at WR, and yet they go out and add Evan Stewart as a vertical threat, which In turn has completely opened up the middle of the field for Tez Johnson to destroy corners in space.

Like Memnon alluded to earlier, Ohio State refused to rest on their laurels and added Judkins to their backfield, when they could have saved money and rode with Henderson.

Ole Miss dealt with a ton of injuries this year at the WR position, but they kept adding in the offseason knowing enough wasn’t enough. Even with their #1 hurt, they still almost made the playoff because they kept the cupboard stocked with playmakers.

Texas signed 5-star WRs in Johntay Cook and Ryan Wingo the past few seasons, but that didn’t stop them from going out and snagging Isaiah Bond from Bama and Golden from Houston. Lo and behold, their top 2 WRs.

You yourself told me at the tailgate that this roster might cost more than Ohio State - so why can’t we afford an upgrade at a position where we’re losing both Allen and (probably) Martinez? Especially when no matter who we sign at QB, it’ll be a massive drop off from Ward? We have the OL to run behind, why not add a dynamic workhorse and keep Lyle as a dangerous change of pace back?

I think personally, you know the real answer. Miami has lived in an age of settling with what they have. It’s time to stop that and be the aggressors, no matter where the talent falls.

 

[423Hurricane]

The reason I’m frustrated is because, in the middle of the season, people thought Martinez was slow and said I was “spreading propaganda” by arguing that Martinez should stay the #1 back ahead of dynamic guys like Lyle. A mere month later, and Lyle is average because he’s not busting 90-yard runs every week.

Here’s what should be common sense but may be a controversial take: we have an excellent run-blocking OL. We are Top 5 in the nation in yards per rush. Anybody with NFL talent will look great behind those guys. I’m confident at least one of our three Top 10 recruits is an NFL talent, and it makes more sense to spend that money on the positions that cost us the playoffs.

Not to mention NIL is still evolving and changing on **** near a daily basis. We’ve already seen large increases in the amount players are being “paid”. I don’t envy the people responsible for allocating NIL resources.

 

[Cribby]

The reason I’m frustrated is because, in the middle of the season, people thought Martinez was slow and said I was “spreading propaganda” by arguing that Martinez should stay the #1 back ahead of dynamic guys like Lyle. A mere month later, and Lyle is average because he’s not busting 90-yard runs every week.

Here’s what should be common sense but may be a controversial take: we have an excellent run-blocking OL. We are Top 5 in the nation in yards per rush. Anybody with NFL talent will look great behind those guys. I’m confident at least one of our three Top 10 recruits is an NFL talent, and it makes more sense to spend that money on the positions that cost us the playoffs.

I was defending Martinez as well and majority of the posters here wanted him benched . I kept telling people you have no clue how big of a difference our offense was versus what he played in before. @JHallCanes how many times did I post this ?

Martinez came from a downhill , under center pro offense. Lining up beside a qb with tighter splits was a 180 schematically for him. But folks didn’t want to hear that , he was a “ bum and a waste of funds “. Like the guy hasn’t been an absolute beast his previous years at a P4. There was zero debate who the lead dog was and better player was.

 

[flips]

Sounds like Makhi Hughes is going to Oregon to play with his brother. He should have huge success there.

Thanks. That's a great spot for him.

Do you think Lofton as the power back is a real possibility here next year? I sure hope so. I think he'd do really well there.

Sorry for stirring up ****. Whether it's Lofton or someone in the portal I do think we need someone who can take over some of Martinez's power runs. Fletcher and especially Lyle should give us the chance to pop more explosives on the outside, but I don't think we should expect either one of them to be like Martinez on the runs between the guards we've been so good at the last 2 years.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

Grown-up, budget-wise, here's my balance sheet for the offense moving from 2024 to 2025:

QB
Cam comes off the books.
Poff comes off the books.
Nickel comes in.
Emory and Judd should stay flat (neither has shown anything to deserve a raise).
We should have plenty $$$ saved for a QB1 based solely on NIL money coming off the books.
RB
Martinez (assuming he declares, if he doesn't this is all moot) comes off the books.
Ajay comes off the books.
CJJ comes off the books.
Pringle comes in.
Fletcher should stay flat (assuming he already got a raise after 2023).
Lyle might get a raise (depending on where he came in at).
CWH should stay flat (hasn't shown anything).
Again, seems like we have budgetary $$$ gained here.
WR
X comes off the books.
George comes off the books.
Sam Brown comes off the books.
Horton comes off the books.
Robbie Washington comes off the books.
Daniels comes in.
Toney comes in.
Moore comes in.
Upshaw comes in.
Trader, Carr, Robinson, and Joseph should stay flat (none of them got enough reps to justify a raise... maybe Trader off the bowl).
Again, seems like we have budgetary $$$ gained here. That said, I expect we sign another portal WR.
TE
Arroyo comes off the books.
Williams comes off the books.
McCormick comes off the books.
Shott comes in.
Gilbert comes in.
Lofton gets a raise (he's earned it).
Carver remains flat.
Again, seems like we have budgetary $$$ gained here. Looks like we'll be adding a TE in the portal, but I doubt it puts us in the red.
OL
Rivers comes off the books.
Carpenter comes off the books.
Tripp comes off the books.
Frankie T. comes off the books.
Nelson comes off the books (was he even making NIL?).
SJ comes in.
Buchanan comes in.
Campbell comes in.
Wilkerson comes in.
McCoy and Bell remain flat.
Coop and Mauigoa maybe get a raise (but assuming they were already well paid).
Pancake Honcho takes a pay cut.
Nobody else is worth mentioning.
This one might be closer to a wash, but I'd expect we've got some NIL $$$ squirreled away for a center that balances out the NIL budget.

I won't show my work on the defense, but it looks like we are around even or making budgetary savings on the DL. We are definitely at a budgetary surplus at LB. DB is the one spot on the defense where we are clearly budgeting more.

So maybe Hughes is fantasy football, but only if we would pay him more than Martinez. All the other budgetary savings can go to our DB room. Considering the style of offensive football we will likely be forced to play next season, a legitimate RB option shouldn't be dismissed offhand.

 

[JHallCanes]

I was defending Martinez as well and majority of the posters here wanted him benched . I kept telling people you have no clue how big of a difference our offense was versus what he played in before. @JHallCanes how many times did I post this ?

Martinez came from a downhill , under center pro offense. Lining up beside a qb with tighter splits was a 180 schematically for him. But folks didn’t want to hear that , he was a “ bum and a waste of funds “. Like the guy hasn’t been an absolute beast his previous years at a P4. There was zero debate who the lead dog was and better player was.

Brother I’m about to rant/tangent

Yes you said it a thousand times while people kept claiming he “had no vision”

Lemme vent. One of the things that has ****ed me off the most since Mario got here is our running back rotations. Everyone knows running backs get better with reps

We talk about our second quarter issues? What’s a common theme? Martinez isn’t in the game

Exhibit 400 we had the lead Saturday and the defense finally got a stop. We march and then Fletcher ******* fumbles

The **** is he even doing in the game when Martinez is unstoppable?

If Jeanty was a Cane no one would even know his name because that mfer would be getting 7 carries a game because **** a hot hand. **** a clear cut #1 RB…it’s all about splitting carries

 

[Gocanes1990]

I was defending Martinez as well and majority of the posters here wanted him benched . I kept telling people you have no clue how big of a difference our offense was versus what he played in before. @JHallCanes how many times did I post this ?

Martinez came from a downhill , under center pro offense. Lining up beside a qb with tighter splits was a 180 schematically for him. But folks didn’t want to hear that , he was a “ bum and a waste of funds “. Like the guy hasn’t been an absolute beast his previous years at a P4. There was zero debate who the lead dog was and better player was.

OUR FANS ARE DUMB

 

[theuksu]

I was defending Martinez as well and majority of the posters here wanted him benched . I kept telling people you have no clue how big of a difference our offense was versus what he played in before. @JHallCanes how many times did I post this ?

Martinez came from a downhill , under center pro offense. Lining up beside a qb with tighter splits was a 180 schematically for him. But folks didn’t want to hear that , he was a “ bum and a waste of funds “. Like the guy hasn’t been an absolute beast his previous years at a P4. There was zero debate who the lead dog was and better player was.

Martinez had the best season of his career here at Miami

 

[PIPO]

This is a BS post. Let me set the record straight on a few things.

First, you know nothing about how I get paid. If you hear an opinion from me, it’s what I believe.

When I told you the coaches were hyping Emory, I was reporting what they were saying. I repeatedly gave my PERSONAL opinion that he wasn’t the guy. If I was spreading propaganda, I would’ve talked up Emory.

Second, I live in the real world. It’s very easy to say we should get every great player. That takes zero insight and is pure fantasy football.

In the real world, there is a budget. We had a horrible defense and have no QB. Where do you think that budget should go?

On the other hand, we had one of the best running games in the country, bring back four OL starters and have three Top 10 backs out of high school. Again, only someone with no concept of budget would demand pouring our limited resources into a hugely expensive back.

Third, I never said Lyle was better than Hughes. You won’t find that post because it doesn’t exist. When @Memnon said it was indisputable that Hughes was better, I said I didn’t know for sure because we haven’t seen Lyle as a featured back yet. He’s a highly rated freshmen that has performed very well in limited duty- he could be great, or he could be average. That story hasn’t been told.

Oregon has the biggest budget in the sport and a complete team. The running game is one of the few areas where Miami was significantly better than them this year. They got a great player in Hughes, and he should have a great season for them.

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

 

[Ryanmilli]

Brother I’m about to rant/tangent

Yes you said it a thousand times while people kept claiming he “had no vision”

Lemme vent. One of the things that has ****ed me off the most since Mario got here is our running back rotations. Everyone knows running backs get better with reps

We talk about our second quarter issues? What’s a common theme? Martinez isn’t in the game

Exhibit 400 we had the lead Saturday and the defense finally got a stop. We march and then Fletcher ******* fumbles

The **** is he even doing in the game when Martinez is unstoppable?

If Jeanty was a Cane no one would even know his name because that mfer would be getting 7 carries a game because **** a hot hand. **** a clear cut #1 RB…it’s all about splitting carries

I think this is a valid point in some respects, especially as it relates to the Syracuse game. In a must win situation where Martinez is crushing it, you have to play him more. But in general there is also something to be said for getting the backups reps so they are less likely to portal out and have some good experience heading into next year. It’s a tough balancing act.

 

[Gocanes1990]

Brother I’m about to rant/tangent

Yes you said it a thousand times while people kept claiming he “had no vision”

Lemme vent. One of the things that has ****ed me off the most since Mario got here is our running back rotations. Everyone knows running backs get better with reps

We talk about our second quarter issues? What’s a common theme? Martinez isn’t in the game

Exhibit 400 we had the lead Saturday and the defense finally got a stop. We march and then Fletcher ******* fumbles

The **** is he even doing in the game when Martinez is unstoppable?

If Jeanty was a Cane no one would even know his name because that mfer would be getting 7 carries a game because **** a hot hand. **** a clear cut #1 RB…it’s all about splitting carries

Great callout

 

[JHallCanes]

I think this is a valid point in some respects, especially as it relates to the Syracuse game. In a must win situation where Martinez is crushing it, you have to play him more. But in general there is also something to be said for getting the backups reps so they are less likely to portal out and have some good experience heading into next year. It’s a tough balancing act.

Yeah don’t get me wrong I’m all for not wasting Martinez when we don’t need to

I like Fletcher. I like Lyle a lot. I like Allen.

But there’s something to be said for just the feel of a game. We are 1000% pre-determined on snaps and series for running backs before the game

That makes absolutely no sense to me

 

[Robbymoto]

The reason I’m frustrated is because, in the middle of the season, people thought Martinez was slow and said I was “spreading propaganda” by arguing that Martinez should stay the #1 back ahead of dynamic guys like Lyle. A mere month later, and Lyle is average because he’s not busting 90-yard runs every week.

Here’s what should be common sense but may be a controversial take: we have an excellent run-blocking OL. We are Top 5 in the nation in yards per rush. Anybody with NFL talent will look great behind those guys. I’m confident at least one of our three Top 10 recruits is an NFL talent, and it makes more sense to spend that money on the positions that cost us the playoffs.

I like when D$ pushes back against nonsense. Long overdue.

 

[STG]

This is a BS post. Let me set the record straight on a few things.

First, you know nothing about how I get paid. If you hear an opinion from me, it’s what I believe.

When I told you the coaches were hyping Emory, I was reporting what they were saying. I repeatedly gave my PERSONAL opinion that he wasn’t the guy. If I was spreading propaganda, I would’ve talked up Emory.

Second, I live in the real world. It’s very easy to say we should get every great player. That takes zero insight and is pure fantasy football.

In the real world, there is a budget. We had a horrible defense and have no QB. Where do you think that budget should go?

On the other hand, we had one of the best running games in the country, bring back four OL starters and have three Top 10 backs out of high school. Again, only someone with no concept of budget would demand pouring our limited resources into a hugely expensive back.

Third, I never said Lyle was better than Hughes. You won’t find that post because it doesn’t exist. When @Memnon said it was indisputable that Hughes was better, I said I didn’t know for sure because we haven’t seen Lyle as a featured back yet. He’s a highly rated freshmen that has performed very well in limited duty- he could be great, or he could be average. That story hasn’t been told.

Oregon has the biggest budget in the sport and a complete team. The running game is one of the few areas where Miami was significantly better than them this year. They got a great player in Hughes, and he should have a great season for them.

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

This isn't true. You have absolutely talked up Emory in the past. And the fact is, you talk up almost EVERYONE. I mean, it's rare, and I mean rare that you state the truth about how bad a player looks and or a side of the ball. Actually, I don't think you ever do. So either you are an absolute extension of Mario or you simply don't know what you are looking at.

And it's obvious to anyone why you don't talk negatively. You will absolutely lose a certain level of access if you openly talk negatively about any player, coach or the team in anyway. In addition, saying the team sucks, or one side of the ball does, or the coaches do it is not good for clicks. Just keep it a buck already.

 

[DMoney]

This isn't true. You have absolutely talked up Emory in the past. And the fact is, you talk up almost EVERYONE. I mean, it's rare, and I mean rare that you state the truth about how bad a player looks and or a side of the ball. Actually, I don't think you ever do. So either you are an absolute extension of Mario or you simply don't know what you are looking at.

And it's obvious to anyone why you don't talk negatively. You will absolutely lose a certain level of access if you openly talk negatively about any player, coach or the team in anyway. In addition, saying the team sucks, or one side of the ball does, or the coaches do it is not good for clicks. Just keep it a buck already.

This is what I said about Emory in high school:

But I’m concerned about athletic upside. The trend is toward dynamic talents and this kid appears to be a single-sport kid without a ton of twitch in his body. He is more polished than gifted.

I’ll withhold judgment until I can watch a few games, but there have been a few Canes fans from the panhandle who have seen him live and questioned the offer. Consider me concerned.

That was almost three years ago.

I’ve gone on YouTube every day since Syracuse saying we needed a Portal QB.

When people on here said Emory was just as good as Mendoza, I told them they were wrong and he would be a significant upgrade. This is all on record.

You come on here with no facts and vent emotionally. It’s your right- I appreciate the clicks. But don’t get mad at me because the season didn’t go the way you liked. Handle your emotions like a grown up.

 

[tdjones34]

This is a BS post. Let me set the record straight on a few things.

First, you know nothing about how I get paid. If you hear an opinion from me, it’s what I believe.

When I told you the coaches were hyping Emory, I was reporting what they were saying. I repeatedly gave my PERSONAL opinion that he wasn’t the guy. If I was spreading propaganda, I would’ve talked up Emory.

Second, I live in the real world. It’s very easy to say we should get every great player. That takes zero insight and is pure fantasy football.

In the real world, there is a budget. We had a horrible defense and have no QB. Where do you think that budget should go?

On the other hand, we had one of the best running games in the country, bring back four OL starters and have three Top 10 backs out of high school. Again, only someone with no concept of budget would demand pouring our limited resources into a hugely expensive back.

Third, I never said Lyle was better than Hughes. You won’t find that post because it doesn’t exist. When @Memnon said it was indisputable that Hughes was better, I said I didn’t know for sure because we haven’t seen Lyle as a featured back yet. He’s a highly rated freshmen that has performed very well in limited duty- he could be great, or he could be average. That story hasn’t been told.

Oregon has the biggest budget in the sport and a complete team. The running game is one of the few areas where Miami was significantly better than them this year. They got a great player in Hughes, and he should have a great season for them.

But in the grown-up world, there are budgets. I encourage you to look at the big picture and stop playing fantasy football. You know better.

Concept of a budget and running one?
You are talking to cane fans
95% don't know what a budget is