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Quick Update & Recruiting Q&A: Pierre,Cunningham, etc.

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Geo305 said:
Two things.

Shane Lee doesn’t even have an offer from them according to 247.

Everything else you said literally makes no sense, I have prospects to add to the list between today and tomorrow. You obviously didn’t pay close attention to how we did junior day and underclassmen day lists.
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Of course not. He’s too busy spray painting his jorts blue and orange to wear to the annual Gainesville Summer Webfoot Pride Festival.
 
If I had Dan Mullen as my Hc and his recruiting I’d probably spend all my time on cane sites too.

It’s a pretty bad time to be a Gatuh.
 
Geo305 said:
Just gonna put this here but I don’t expect Jesiah Pierre to stick with Miami as of right now. Have been talking and discussing this with a few people the last two weeks. UF trending heavy.

I have noticed that the coaches have got numerous LBs on campus in recent weeks and although Pierre did visit recently... I have been getting the feeling they are changing the LB board a bit. Have heard barely any traction with him and Miami for some time now.

* Manny Diaz is turning up the heat on Tyron Hopper from Georgia. From my understanding, Pierre was taken as a MLB, and that is where Manny wants Hopper.

I mentioned this in a 2019 class discussion the other week, I don’t expect Cunningham to stick with Miami. Will flip to Mississippi State eventually.

I am not entirely sure what is up with Renato Brown recruitment recently but he has not visited this spring. Keep an eye on Alabama and Coach Kool.

Ask any questions regarding recruiting that you would like to be answered.
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Been worried about Brown since Sabans helicopter visit last month.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
Theres another kid from the la area weve got onto lately. Ill get his name. Our back up plans are basically a bunch of committed kids. Mertz would be a great flip as i think hes the pride of this class.
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Pride including Tai or just on offered prospects?
 
calinative umstudent said:
whoever thinks a guy can't play rush lb then switch to a different type of LB or to like DL in college is a fool. It doesn't matter what ******* position you played in HS. Its about your skillset/talent. Just because someone wasn't asked to do something in HS doesn't mean he can't do it here.
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It is all about how coachable the kid is and if he can grasp it mentally more than physically, a lot more for MLB than OLB but there are way more cases, especially here where that experiment hasn't worked.


Please name one guy that has made that transition successfully here to become a top level every down LB.


MRob - 6.0 4star (borderline 5star on rivals) with 20+ sacks in a season and ran like a 4.4/4.5 but was projected to play OLB (rated #4 OLB in the nation) because he was 6'2 210 - Nope

Tyriq McCord - 4star badass rush end with a ton of sacks and great athleticism - Nope

Jamie Gordinier - NJ 3star actually came closest to playing OLB at a solid level (b/c he was very coachable), but got hurt and stayed hurt - Nope

Gabe Terry - 3star WDE who was flahed a play or two, then got dismissed from the team I believe, and didn't blow up elsewhere so - Nope

Terry McCray - 3star South FL Rush End with good production in HS and a Baga offer lol - Nope

Mike Smith - 4star quick twitch rush end who is finally getting it, but reacts slow b/c his instincts aren't there - Nope

Deandre Wilder - 4star edge rusher with incredible athleticism (track speed), that may set him apart, but he won't play MLB here, only OLB and maybe Striker with his speed if he can cover - Hopeful

Patrick Joyner - 3star edge rusher that did have some film of him playing a traditional LB position and not just rushing the passer every play, so his transition should go easier - Hopeful



I'm sure I'm missing some guys in there, but my point is that playing LB, especially MLB is way more mental than physical.

Yes you need the physical too, but those instincts and reaction time is crucial, and they take longer to develop than you would imagine.

There are DEs who make that transition, but mostly at OLB in a 4-3, which is a glorified rush end who drops into coverage.

It is rare to see a successful move to MLB from DE, but I'm sure there are a few cases, none here that I can remember.

This is Miami, we turn big Safeties into LBs, big LBs into DEs and big DEs into DTs, not the other way around.

Diaz does like to bring in some of these guys and I trust him, just don't want to load up on too many.
 
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Kermit_Da_Toad said:
Shane Lee top 100 LB and teammates with their QB commit. Just visited them. Hopper has their offer tweet pined on his page and had since he got the offer. Stop gassing these boys up mr.insider. Nobody coming to the spring game. Even supposed locks like Richards going elsewhere? No Ladson no Stevenson. Yeah we aren't doing great at the moment on the trail. Incoming downvotes and childish insults.
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You're not a real person.

You're a Russian bot.
 
After watching Hopper's film for the first time, I gotta say I would love to add him to the class.

His quick twitch and speed jump off the screen.

I was actually not as impressed with his Jr film that has him pretty much playing rush end (film was great, but I obviously^^^ don't love LB prospects that strictly rush the passer).

But then watched his Soph film and he is playing CB at a high level, and that was very impressive.


This is where I would love to take 5 LBs in this class and add him to Pierre, Brooks, Solomon and hopefully Huff.

I played MLB in HS, so love when we can load up on quality LBs, and this is the best LB class I have seen in FL in years


Pierre may play against garbage comp and only be a 3star for now (should get a bump after being named best player in Central FL, which is what Lingard was), but has great instincts, is a true MLB (not another player on our board like him this cycle) and has a college ready body with great speed and athleticism.

And I love Defensive recruits that are also top Offensive players on their HS teams, and are used to scoring when they touch the ball on a turnover.



Coaches have some tough decisions with all these top players wanting in at Miami, unlike what that troll Choad Kermit was trying to say.
 
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tyrn said:
It is all about how coachable the kid is and if he can grasp it mentally more than physically, a lot more for MLB than OLB but there are way more cases, especially here where that experiment hasn't worked.

Please name one guy that has made that transition successfully here to become a top level every down LB.

MRob - 6.0 4star (borderline 5star on rivals) with 20+ sacks in a season and ran like a 4.4/4.5 but was projected to play OLB (rated #4 OLB in the nation) because he was 6'2 210 - Nope
Tyriq McCord - 4star badass rush end with a ton of sacks and great athleticism - Nope
Jamie Gordinier - NJ 3star actually came closest to playing OLB at a solid level (b/c he was very coachable), but got hurt and stayed hurt - Nope
Gabe Terry - 3star WDE who was flahed a play or two, then got dismissed from the team I believe, and didn't blow up elsewhere so - Nope
Terry McCray - 3star South FL Rush End with good production in HS and a Baga offer lol - Nope
Mike Smith - 4star quick twitch rush end who is finally getting it, but reacts slow b/c his instincts aren't there - Nope
Deandre Wilder - 4star edge rusher with incredible athleticism (track speed), that may set him apart, but he won't play MLB here, only OLB and maybe Striker with his speed if he can cover - Hopeful
Patrick Joyner - 3star edge rusher that did have some film of him playing a traditional LB position and not just rushing the passer every play, so his transition should go easier - Hopeful

I'm sure I'm missing some guys in there, but my point is that playing LB, especially MLB is way more mental than physical. Yes you need the physical too, but those instincts and reaction time is crucial, and they take longer to develop than you would imagine. There are DEs who make that transition, but mostly at OLB in a 4-3, which is a glorified rush end who drops into coverage.It is rare to see a successful move to MLB from DE, but I'm sure there are a few cases, none here that I can remember. This is Miami, we turn big Safeties into LBs, big LBs into DEs and big DEs into DTs, not the other way around. Diaz does like to bring in some of these guys and I trust him, just don't want to load up on too many.
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I get your point. But thats not really what I said. I didn't specifically say any guy we're recruiting who currently is a DE/rushLB in HS WILL be a MLB here. But are you suggesting that its impossible for them to be successful if they do switch here, because the 8 you listed weren't/haven't been?

I think the REASON you don't see RushLBs end up as MLBs is because they are usually more athletic, so it makes more sense to keep them on the outside where their athleticism helps more at Will or Sam. MLBs while much lighter/faster/ more agile than ever before, are still generally the bigger run stuffing LBs. So generally if you have a RushLB recruit that is a take at Miami, he likely is going to stick at Will or Sam...or this new Striker position I guess. Also I'd say Will isn't exactly all that far off from Mike, which is the reason in a 34 the Will would slide over to ILB along with the Mike. So a Rush LB out of HS thats athletic and not a huge lumbering dude is just way more likely to stay at OLB in a 43. If we were in a 34 we'd probably see way more occasions of Rush LB recruits playing ILB.

Anyways, guys I can think of that were RushLBs or straight up DEs in HS that became ILBs:
Ryan Shazier who played DE at Plantation and was one of the best MLBs in the NFL pre-injury.
Jamie Collins. Not sure if he was a rush LB in Hs, but he certainly was at Southern Miss where he played EDGE. Now he's an ILB for the browns.
maybe Kwon Alexander who had like 17 sacks as a junior in HS. he plays MLB for the Buccs.
Donta Hightower definitely played DE in High School, then with the patriots he played MLB.
 
tyrn said:
This is where I would love to take 5 LBs in this class and add him to Pierre, Brooks, Solomon and hopefully Huff.

Pierre may play against garbage comp and only be a 3star for now (should get a bump after being named best player in Central FL, which is what Lingard was), but has great instincts, is a true MLB (not another player on our board like him this cycle) and has a college ready body with great speed and athleticism.

And I love Defensive recruits that are also top Offensive players on their HS teams, and are used to scoring when they touch the ball on a turnover.
Coaches have some tough decisions with all these top players wanting in at Miami, unlike what that troll Choad Kermit was trying to say.
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I hope we keep Pierre too. And those 4 you listed are the ones I want. Brooks, Pierre, Soloman, and Huff. I'm not too high on Jahmar Brown or D Williams. But I think 4 LBs is a lot for one class and more than enough. especially when you factor in that we are going to be running the 425 look more while requires less pure LBs. Soloman can probably play this position. But the fact is with us running 425 more, the need for LBs is just less. Safeties is going to become a bigger need for us.
Whereas before if we'd want 10 pure lbs and 6 pure safeties on the roster, now we'd only need like 8 pure Lbs, 5 pure safeties, and 3 hybrid LB/S's.
Because imo we aren't going to really want to take too many HS LBs and put them in that striker role. Thats the position you put oversized/outgrown safeties at.

So I guess I'd count it like this for our recruits this year:
LB: Brooks, Pierre, Huff
Striker: Soloman, Keontra Smith
S: Jordan Battle, Mark Richards.......and Gant if we could get him, Plus Stevenson can be considered a Safety too obviously.
 
calinative umstudent said:
I hope we keep Pierre too. And those 4 you listed are the ones I want. Brooks, Pierre, Soloman, and Huff. I'm not too high on Jahmar Brown or D Williams. But I think 4 LBs is a lot for one class and more than enough. especially when you factor in that we are going to be running the 425 look more while requires less pure LBs. Soloman can probably play this position. But the fact is with us running 425 more, the need for LBs is just less. Safeties is going to become a bigger need for us.
Whereas before if we'd want 10 pure lbs and 6 pure safeties on the roster, now we'd only need like 8 pure Lbs, 5 pure safeties, and 3 hybrid LB/S's.
Because imo we aren't going to really want to take too many HS LBs and put them in that striker role. Thats the position you put oversized/outgrown safeties at.

So I guess I'd count it like this for our recruits this year:
LB: Brooks, Pierre, Huff
Striker: Soloman, Keontra Smith
S: Jordan Battle, Mark Richards.......and Gant if we could get him, Plus Stevenson can be considered a Safety too obviously.
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lol you realize that we haven't done away with the strong safety position right? Keontre Smith is a strong safety. He's also the best safety not named Stevenson in Florida this year too (with the exception of Gant since i havent seen his film yet). Battle is razor thin with pipe cleaners for arms - dude is nowhere near the top 3 safeties, he's a distant 4th.
 
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htownkidd said:
Good point on Rosendo, forgot about that.

As for Sanguinetti, I’m not going to say weight is irrelevant but it’s far from a concern. The kid is 17 months away from ever playing in a college game, weight will come. He doesn’t have to be a 200 pound thumper. He has the potential to be a first round center field Free Safety because he has elite ball skills and some of the best range that I’ve ever seen on tape. He has been listed at 165 for 2 years, nobody knows his true weight. I could be wrong but I don’t think I’ve seen/heard his name at any of these camps/combines? I’m sure he is still light, but that will come. Brandon Merriweather was 170 pounds when he got to UM. No, I AM NOT SAYING HE IS BRANDON MERRIWEATHER. Just reiterating, weight will come. The kid is a junior in High school. My Free Safety can max out at 185 in college if he is elite vs the pass to make up for it, which is exactly what this kid is.

Russell is at UF and I am pretty sure UF honored his scholarship after he received the health news. So he is attending school for free, good move by them.
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His weight has been listed at that..because thats what he keeps weighing in at camps. He plays basketball, likely does track...Probably cant bench press the bar.lol. When he focuses in on one sport and get to college his weight will come. He appears to be the long limbed cbs that we like to recruit. Like him as a cb, dont see the safety business people trot out.

BM is a whole different animal. He was 170-175 but bringing it at safety and a pseudo lb position at Apopka. It was never a queston on his physicality. They have different body types
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
@gogeta4 knows how Randy ended up. His point is, before that happened, UM dropped him. That said, I think Smith is a better athlete.
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I liked Randy Russell.Stone cold hitter. Yea Smith seems to be a better athlete..he definately runs better. I agree..would like to see more of Smith covg this spring at Chaminade. I know he can play in the box though
 
Lexcane said:
Aren’t you supposed to be an insider? You’re ragging on sanguinetti for his build, which is fair enough, but somehow you’re sucking off battle who is almost as tiny? If the Italian is only 165, battle isn’t a pound over 170. His arms are literal pipe cleaners.
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Not an insider. Not ragging on him, thats how hes built. DVD is my friend so its definately not a diss. He's the skinniest italian ive seen in some time though. Battle is 6'1 1/2 190 right now.
 
tyrn said:
GTFOH with Randy Russel Light.

Smith is 10 times the athletes Russell is/was (did Russell have a Baga offer?).

I would like to see Battle in this class at FS, but I would say that both Stevenson (could play CB but is a FS) and Gant are the best FSs in FL.

Smith is the top SS on our board, and with us utilizing the Rover/Striker position in our 4-2-5, his versatility will be huge.

I also agree that Sanguinetti could be a great CB, but may end up a better FS down the road (don't know if he has the speed to stay at CB when he continues to add weight).

He is also heavier than 170 lbs right now (those are old weights listed).
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Gant is not from S. Fla. and Stevenson lines up at CB. Battle is the best FS in S.FLA. (Monroe, Dade, Broward, Palm). Stevenson is the best cb prospect ive seen. He has FS potential as well..but if you ca get alockdown guy like that at cb..why move him if he commits?. Especially how we have been flopping around at recruiting cbs.
 
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