Quick Update & Recruiting Q&A: Pierre,Cunningham, etc.

[tyrn]

Because he plays nobody you dont want him?

You know who else played against a bunch of nobodies?

Sean Taylor at Gulliver and Ray Lewis at St Mary (Edit: Kathleen HS - Thanks Drewny) I believe.

Watch the player in the film, not his comp.

 

[Combo]

We have lost out on MANY future NFL draft picks at CB in the last 3 classes. Theres a different between being good, and being ELITE. Due to our location we literally have the most ELITE skill positions in the country..not even up for debate. And i might be one of the only guys high on Bethel other than DMONEY on the board.

Yall sugar coat and homer it out..i dont. Last class we lost out on 2 kids that will be 3 and out if they dont f up off the field. Slow played the wrong kids..or evaluated others wrong. Due to location we could do that and STILL land 3 - 4 star recruits. Its that simple. I followed recruiting when we turned away 4 star kids at skill positions..we are real close back to that...would have already been if we originally hired a veteran db coach

My gosh - you summed that up perfectly. Some posters don't get that we can f up our DB recruiting and still land a strong class. That is exactly what we have done the last couple years. So much talent within 50 miles of campus that it's difficult to not bring in a strong class.

 

[gogeta4]

You know who else played against a bunch of nobodies?

Sean Taylor at Gulliver and Ray Lewis at St Mary I believe.

Watch the player in the film, not his comp.

Those 2 DOMINATED whomever they played against. If you playing nobodies...i need to see DOMINATION.
Sean Taylor played against Chaminade. At the time Chaminade had pups...but that team alone probably had more div 1 level players than Pierre plays against for the year. Thats just off my head. He also ran roughshod over Chaminade. That Chaminade team had a few of our former playerrs on it

 

[Drewny1]

You know who else played against a bunch of nobodies?

Sean Taylor at Gulliver and Ray Lewis at St Mary I believe.

Watch the player in the film, not his comp.

Lewis went to Kathleen I believe.

 

[Drewny1]

Those 2 DOMINATED whomever they played against. If you playing nobodies...i need to see DOMINATION.
Sean Taylor played against Chaminade. At the time Chaminade had pups...but that team alone probably had more div 1 level players than Pierre plays against for the year. Thats just off my head. He also ran roughshod over Chaminade. That Chaminade team had a few of our former playerrs on it

Dude was just voted as the Top Defender in all of Central Florida as a Junior. Not sure what else these people need to see from him.

 

[90scane]

Lewis played some good comp in HS.

 

[904Cane]

Similar size yes, but different styles. Crowley is more of your traditional bigger back w/long strides. The classic one cut slasher who will punish in open field and once he gets going really has deceptive speed for his size. Stretch runs will suit him best as moves further up in the career. Lacks wiggle but that's no surprise at his size. Is okay out of the backfield, but you can tell he's not a natural catcher & will fight the ball. Great frame, big lean kid who once is in a college weight program will be a monster physically. Think Eddie George in terms of playing style (not saying he's Eddie George, but styles are similar).

McIntosh has elite balance and feet. He's a rare pocket runner at his size (Sanders is as well), which makes them both so unique. He can run too high at times, which most bigger backs do when they're younger, but because of his balance & feet he gets away with it. He's an explosive athlete - quick twitch and sudden. The reported 40 times are a head scratcher because he is an explosive athlete, not sure if they're from bad timing or he's just never really trained to run (Not saying he'll ever run in the low 4.4s, but with the type of athlete he is he should be in the 4.45-4.55 range). Normally being a pocket runner at his size would have me most excited, but it's his ability out of the backfield that is most impressive. He has exceptional hands, but he also runs great routes. Looks as if he's trained with WR groups. Big kid, who from all things we know seems to be a hard worker w/a good head on his shoulders, but if he got lazy he has the type of frame that could blow up on him.

Both are very good, but in terms of style they are different players. I'm very happy w/Crowley already on board, but the two potential crown jewels of this class at the position are Sanders & McIntosh.

I agree Crowley is more of a strider which supports the fact that I think he also may end up playing OLB he is a very good LB as well. He is a real bell cow with the volume of carries he received last year while playing both ways. I think the kid from Naples (Molessi) is faster than both of them but he is a Wing-T back so I dunno how that translates to gun run plays.

 

[jkaz1]

Yep.

Many of our very best players played at small schools or schools without a lot of competition.

Just a few examples:

How many top players have come out of Hernando HS besides Jerome Brown (and later his son, I think, Dee).

Cortez Kennedy played at the major state power of Rivercrest HS in Arkansas.

Jim Kelly from East Brady HS, PA, etc.

(Ray Lewis Sr. went to Kathleen HS in Lakeland, which does churn out some decent ball players.)

You have to evaluate the players - not just the schools they come from.

You know who else played against a bunch of nobodies?

Sean Taylor at Gulliver and Ray Lewis at St Mary I believe.

Watch the player in the film, not his comp.

 

[Harry Heinous]

Those 2 DOMINATED whomever they played against. If you playing nobodies...i need to see DOMINATION.
Sean Taylor played against Chaminade. At the time Chaminade had pups...but that team alone probably had more div 1 level players than Pierre plays against for the year. Thats just off my head. He also ran roughshod over Chaminade. That Chaminade team had a few of our former playerrs on it

Jerry Seymour and Beason were on that Chaminade team I believe. Sean Taylor f'n DOMINATED that game (as he did every game). He was hitting them so hard he broke a lot of their players' wills.

 

[Sigma_Cane_7]

Thatd be him. I'll shoot up and let you do your thing

Tai??

 

[Brooklyndee]

Tai??

Nah

 

[brock]

We have lost out on MANY future NFL draft picks at CB in the last 3 classes. Theres a different between being good, and being ELITE. Due to our location we literally have the most ELITE skill positions in the country..not even up for debate. And i might be one of the only guys high on Bethel other than DMONEY on the board.

Yall sugar coat and homer it out..i dont. Last class we lost out on 2 kids that will be 3 and out if they dont f up off the field. Slow played the wrong kids..or evaluated others wrong. Due to location we could do that and STILL land 3 - 4 star recruits. Its that simple. I followed recruiting when we turned away 4 star kids at skill positions..we are real close back to that...would have already been if we originally hired a veteran db coach

we must have signed scrubs then according to you? quit putting these kids on a pedestal,you acting like both Campbell and surtain don't get beat too and they aren't perfect prospects either. Lets pull up the marshall few a walk on by the way tape from ponta verda when he torched heritage secondary. They were 2 of the best no doubt in south florida but we also signed 3 of the best too including 3 of the top 6 and 4 of the top 10. Imo top dbs in south florida in 2018

1.Campbell
2.Surtain
3.Hall
4.jobe
5.Frierson
6.ivey
7.Samuel
8.Trenell Troutman
9. Divaad wilson
10. Al Blades
Quit underrating our kids
Frierson
hall
Ivey
blades
that several draft picks right there period in the 2018 class

Quit talking about kids who were never coming here period , acting like a hurt groupie holding grudges and sh*t.

 

[Cuban-Cane]

I have not at all forgotten that there are two safety positions. I just don't think Smith is a true safety prospect. I think he's more of a S/LB hybrid.

Secondly, and I've said this before, I think on this very thread, our entire defensive philosophy has been 9 guys being super aggressive trying to create havoc while our safeties are the 2 conservative players who are primarily tasked with playing 2 deep and erasing any mistake. Thats what we are defensively. I don't see that changing with us looking like we're going to be running more 425. If anything I think it'll push Diaz to use the S's even more conservatively because he won't want to cheat the SS up when we have that Striker out over the WR.

Which of Jaquan and Redwine is the true SS? Neither. The point is Our 2 safeties can be viewed as interchangeable. We don't need a box safety in this defense - thats what the Striker position is for now. In this defense we run Battle can be the SS while Richards is the FS. And Amari Carter is the SS while Gurvan is the FS.

i still dont see what you see on tape that shows that battle is a SS.

 

[QoCane85]

Because he plays nobody you dont want him?

Who is untested and from the highlights he posted the whole defense was getting penetration and it’s impossible to measure how good he really is if he plays garbage competition. It’s like some players that are from small towns and play six Man football. They are ballers agains crap/mediocre opposition but are just reg to good players. I like the kid but I don’t think he’s as great as a bunch of you guys think he is. Hope I’m wrong if we get him.

 

[Calinative]

i still dont see what you see on tape that shows that battle is a SS.

Its not really about the player. Its about the position.
You guys are so caught up in traditional SS and FS positions/roles that you're failing to see what our actual defense does. I literally explained this in my comment, but heres a solid article back from 2009 about this very thing.

We run an attacking 43 (or an attacking 425 now) with 2 deep coverage (cover 2) primarily. What Diaz wants to do is play aggressive as **** with the front 9 (I think we're going to see a LOT more man and press/man from our CBs this yr), and have those 2 back safeties that literally clean everything up. What this sets out to do is cause a lot of havoc and protect us from big plays, because theoretically any play over 15 yards our safeties should be there to stop. So what we get is the defense creating a lot of sacks, tfls, turnovers and forcing offenses to make long sustained drives if they want Points because were not going to just give up half the field in one play.

Because of OUR DEFENSE, it doesn't matter what position you label Jaquan and Redwine. They are essentially interchangeable. Like seriously Redwine DEFINITELY is not a SS, he was switched from ******* CB. And Jaquan coming out of HS was a 5'10" 182lbs and certainly he was a good tackler, but its not like he was viewed as SS type, he played a lot of single high, and people were comparing him to Ed Reed (but not as athletic) coming out.

Ultimately you guys who want a clear separation between SS and FS are living in the past. Tthe fact is with more and more teams running 3+ wide and no huddle Every safety needs to be adept at coverage. Battle can play either position here.

You want them to be interchangeable,” Gruden said of the safeties. “You know, with the change of strengths and people going in motion and the no-huddle stuff, you want to be able to have safeties that can do both. Some teams have gotten away with more of a strong safety and a free safety over the course of their careers, so it’s just a matter of what flavor you want and what type of guys we have.”

- Jay Gruden

 

[Drewny1]

Who is untested and from the highlights he posted the whole defense was getting penetration and it’s impossible to measure how good he really is if he plays garbage competition. It’s like some players that are from small towns and play six Man football. They are ballers agains crap/mediocre opposition but are just reg to good players. I like the kid but I don’t think he’s as great as a bunch of you guys think he is. Hope I’m wrong if we get him.

If you are voted the best defensive player in a very talented Central Florida area, all those concerns go out the window.

 

[Calinative]

My gosh - you summed that up perfectly. Some posters don't get that we can f up our DB recruiting and still land a strong class. That is exactly what we have done the last couple years. So much talent within 50 miles of campus that it's difficult to not bring in a strong class.

except for the fact he puts all the blame on rumph when it shouldn't be.
Didn't go for asante? - Rumphs the one that wanted us to offer him from the jump.
Didgn't go for Divaad Wilson (tore his acl a few weeks ago btw)? Well that was because apparently he and Frierson didn't get a long at all.
Didn't land Jobe? That was on Banda.
Didn't land Tyson Campbell or PS2? Well thats on Rumph, yes. Its also on Banda and Diaz, cause all 3 were active in their recruitment. But PS2 wasn't going to come here from the jump. In reality the ONLY DB from last cycle that you can honestly blame Rumph on is TC, other than that is just a bunch of bs.

 

[Ziggy]

Cunningham just decommitted per twitter. Wants to be closer to home.

 

[Drewny1]

Cunningham just decommitted per twitter. Wants to be closer to home.

IE, I want to stay in Mississippi because these schools understand the Public School system in this state is trash and I could never get into a Private School

 

[Combo]

except for the fact he puts all the blame on rumph when it shouldn't be.
Didn't go for asante? - Rumphs the one that wanted us to offer him from the jump.
Didgn't go for Divaad Wilson (tore his acl a few weeks ago btw)? Well that was because apparently he and Frierson didn't get a long at all.
Didn't land Jobe? That was on Banda.
Didn't land Tyson Campbell or PS2? Well thats on Rumph, yes. Its also on Banda and Diaz, cause all 3 were active in their recruitment. But PS2 wasn't going to come here from the jump. In reality the ONLY DB from last cycle that you can honestly blame Rumph on is TC, other than that is just a bunch of bs.

I don't put all the blame on Rumph. However, I think it's pretty obvious after three recruiting classes that he's not a strong salesman. I don't think Banda is a good recruiter either. Not sure about that any of our coaches on that side of the ball are good at recruiting (maybe the new DL guy will be). But Rumph is more egregiously weak (losing a kid that you're "like a 2nd father to").