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BWCD said:
It's easy to "adapt" when you have Clayton Tune or Cam Ward. :ROFLMAO:

Both of those guys could make the throws Dawson wants in this offense. Milroe is a major step back from both Tune/Ward as a passer for the short-mid throws this offense calls for. Asking Dawson to adapt to Milroe's shortcomings as a passer is just limiting the offense and what he can call on gameday. Milroe's athleticism can cover up some of that, but in the long run - it hamstrings us.
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Plenty of ways to be successful. **** offense in 2023 had to adapt 2/3 times during the season alone. I fully trust Dawson
 
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Tempest said:
IIRC correctly, didn’t Tune run a bunch at Houston?
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Tune also threw for almost 12k yards in his career, man. Compare Tune/Milroe as passers.

Quarterbacks are allowed to throw the football nowadays. They don't just have to run it.
 
BWCD said:
It's easy to "adapt" when you have Clayton Tune or Cam Ward. :ROFLMAO:

Both of those guys could make the throws Dawson wants in this offense. Milroe is a major step back from both Tune/Ward as a passer for the short-mid throws this offense calls for. Asking Dawson to adapt to Milroe's shortcomings as a passer is just limiting the offense and what he can call on gameday. Milroe's athleticism can cover up some of that, but in the long run - it hamstrings us.
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If Milroe is our QB and Dawson is our OC, best analog in his career would be the 2017 Southern Miss offense, the year after Mullens graduated. He had two inaccurate but athletic QBs and a really good RB. That was a pretty average offense in EPA/dropback and EPA/rush. I think Milroe could work (he's certainly not my preference), but our offense would be night and day from last year, and Milroe would have to make at least some marginal improvements as a passer from his performance this year.
 
caneworld said:
Too much NIL money involved in different positions to take a season off from contending.... or at least attempting to.
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And that's our problem. The fact that it's year 4, and we still need a huge portal hall is a huge failure by the staff. The defensive recruiting has been so atrocious. We're going to be in this same spot next year, where all the funds goes to the portal and we will likely have yet another let down with the 26 class. Then, we're even more ****ed than we are right now. I would have rather gotten a guy like Mendoza and have some money leftover for other positions than spend an absolute bag on Milore
 
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MumbleRap said:
Plenty of ways to be successful. **** offense in 2023 had to adapt 2/3 times during the season alone. I fully trust Dawson
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So you're on record as like Dawson is the QB guru that Milroe has been missing? Even when he's been coached by Bill O'Brien?

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flips said:
If Milroe is our QB and Dawson is our OC, best analog in his career would be the 2017 Southern Miss offense, the year after Mullens graduated. He had two inaccurate but athletic QBs and a really good RB. That was a pretty average offense in EPA/dropback and EPA/rush. I think Milroe could work, but our offense would be night and day from last year, and Milroe would have to make at least some marginal improvements as a passer from his performance this year.
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And that would be *best case*. I think we can ultimately do better.
 
BWCD said:
Tune also threw for almost 12k yards in his career, man. Compare Tune/Milroe as passers.

Quarterbacks are allowed to throw the football nowadays. They don't just have to run it.
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I brought it up just to point out that Dawson has adapted his offenses a bit based on his QBs skill set.
 
BWCD said:
And that would be *best case*. I think we can ultimately do better.
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Yup, I added that Milroe definitely isn't my preference to make it clear after you quoted.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if Dawson would be interested in designing an offense suited to Milroe at this stage in his career. I don't know if there's any real chance an NFL team takes a chance on him as an OC, but I don't think Milroe to Miami helps keep him here.
 
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Tempest said:
I brought it up just to point out that Dawson has adapted his offenses a bit based on his QBs skill set.
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...I can't even.

Tune was athletic enough to run the ball some and was a top notch collegiate passer. Dawson didn't adapt his offense to make Tune something great. Tune ran Dawson's system and had the tools to do so as both a passer AND runner, and it worked well. Milroe isn't nearly the passer that Tune was. There's no amount of "adapting" that's gonna turn Milroe into the passer that Tune was. Part of why Tune did have decent running stats with Dawson was because he passed well enough to allow him to run effectively.
 
caneworld said:
Too much NIL money involved in different positions to take a season off from contending.... or at least attempting to.
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on top of that Lagway was a 5 star, top of the overall recruiting board guy. Everybody had heard of him. Nickel isn’t on espn top 300, on3 or 247 top lists. He’d have to win big and early for there to be any hype. lagway also benefits from playing in SEC and having a modicum of success validates everything in a lot of people’s eyes.
 
flips said:
Yup, I added that Milroe definitely isn't my preference to make it clear after you quoted.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if Dawson would be interested in designing an offense suited to Milroe at this stage in his career. I don't know if there's any real chance an NFL team takes a chance on him as an OC, but I don't think Milroe to Miami helps keep him here.
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I was thinking about that too. Dawson supposedly turned down some G5 head coaching jobs to come back, assumedly to try to have another big year and be able to say it wasn’t Cam to parlay that into bigger jobs. A complete retool is a major risk, maybe he’s confident enough to do it because if it works he could point to it as being able to adapt, but if not it could bite him.
 
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BWCD said:
...I can't even.

Tune was athletic enough to run the ball some and was a top notch collegiate passer. Dawson didn't adapt his offense to make Tune something great. Tune ran Dawson's system and had the tools to do so as both a passer AND runner, and it worked well. Milroe isn't nearly the passer that Tune was. There's no amount of "adapting" that's gonna turn Milroe into the passer that Tune was. Part of why Tune did have decent running stats with Dawson was because he passed well enough to allow him to run effectively.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree.

I DO hope we land a guy that is better than Milroe. I think we can both agree on that.
 
Parkland_Cane said:
You do realize that was Tommy Rees in 23 not O'Brien right?
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OK - then hire Tommy Rees. 🤷‍♂️ If that's the season you're pointing to, then hire the guy that helped him have his best year. I'll own mixing up my years and forgetting about Rees coming in that year. Mea culpa.

O'Brien did have his hands on Milroe for 2 seasons before that, though. You'd think having a guy like BOB on hand to coach you for 2 years would have helped his development as a passer.
 
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Not a mope, but I don't have grand expectations for next year, however, I do think it is essential for Mario to win 10 games and build on Luke (assuming he turns out to be a gamer) for the future. I can see a scenario where (if Milroe came here) he could get us to 10 wins, get Luke some significant snaps because the D is improved (another "if' but I'm an optimist) and year 5 is "the big year".

In short yardage scenarios, it would be nice to have Milroe as a threat instead of us always worried about strong, physical running QB's in those scenarios. Whoever we get at QB has to have the ability to get us to 10 wins, or you just roll with Luke, lose to ND and take your lumps this year.
 
Tempest said:
We’ll have to agree to disagree.

I DO hope we land a guy that is better than Milroe. I think we can both agree on that.
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We can agree on the latter point.

I think it's asinine that you think Milroe could turn into Clayton Tune as a passer just by Dawson coaching him, though.
 
TwentySix said:
I was thinking about that too. Dawson supposedly turned down some G5 head coaching jobs to come back, assumedly to try to have another big year and be able to say it wasn’t Cam to parlay that into bigger jobs. A complete retool is a major risk, maybe he’s confident enough to do it because if it works he could point to it as being able to adapt, but if not it could bite him.
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RIght, like if he gets Milroe to produce anything close to Jalen Hurts to Oklahoma, Dawson can obviously write his own ticket. Huge risk though, as Milroe might just continue the downward trajectory he showed this year.

Dawson does strike me as a riverboat gambler type so I might have been hasty assuming he wouldn't want to completely retool his offense. Say Branch is willing to come here if Milroe is his QB. WR corps of Branch/Daniels/Trader/etc, RB room of Fletcher/Lyle/Lofton/etc, our OL, TEs of Tulane guy/Schott/Lofton could be a pretty fun offense if Milroe plays a lot better than he did this year.
 
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