QBS in the Portal as of 11/28

[rascon]

Nix had a better supporting cast at Oregon than he did at Auburn. That helped materially in his development. Cannot ignore that.

If you could sell me somehow on Milroe becoming Oregon Nix, I'd hop on the bandwagon with you. From what he's shown at Bama...I just don't see it, and I can't go out on that ledge with you.

Direct question here - should Milroe come to Miami, do you have faith in Shannon Dawson to develop a guy like Milroe into a Bo Nix-like QB as a passer? Because honestly, I don't. Cam Ward's play was him being a ready-made superior passer. Not because Dawson molded him into that.

I actually think your last sentence might be a reason to give a 2nd thought to Milroe tbh.

You are 100% right Dawson gave Ward the freedom to run the offense the way that suited him. It’s no secret that Ward audibled out a lot and he went big play hunting (going away from original play design mid-play) and he did so with great success.

That tells me Dawson is able to help the QB call plays that suit his strength.

If we got Milroe, will it look anything like Cam’s offense? Absolutely not.

But can he have success? I’m leaning towards yes.

That all said, I think Milroe takes his chances in the draft where they think they can fix anyone and everyone.

 

[rascon]

Writers are salivating at the idea of Milroe to Miami so they can just find and replace “DeBoer” with “Dawson” in their articles from last offseason about how the new situation/coach can improve him as a passer.

I think the difference is DeBoer tried to fit Milroe into his system, while Dawson tweaked his system to accomodate Ward and would do same thing to Milroe.

Not that Milroe is coming though.

 

[TwentySix]

It's like the females looking at a man saying "I can fix him", then realizing the project isn't worth it.

People just think anyone with physical traits can be turned into a good quarterback. People believed the talking heads when they said Josh Allen and Lamar were bad passers because they didn’t watch Wyoming lead the country in drops or see James Quick drop every 3rd pass that went his way.

You see it all the time in basketball. “When this guy becomes an average 3 point shooter he’s going to be an all star” as if the most important skill in the game is something that can just be counted on to come together when it hasn’t to that point in their development.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

I actually think your last sentence might be a reason to give a 2nd thought to Milroe tbh.

You are 100% right Dawson gave Ward the freedom to run the offense the way that suited him. It’s no secret that Ward audibled out a lot and he went big play hunting (going away from original play design mid-play) and he did so with great success.

That tells me Dawson is able to help the QB call plays that suit his strength.

If we got Milroe, will it look anything like Cam’s offense? Absolutely not.

But can he have success? I’m leaning towards yes.

That all said, I think Milroe takes his chances in the draft where they think they can fix anyone and everyone.

Cam was a film junkie. Is Milroe? Cam spent the time to learn how defenses operated and what he could do to be successful. He also had Restrepo who could look at a defense and see the same things. That helped Cam be very successful

Will Milroe be able to do that?

 

[TwentySix]

I think the difference is DeBoer tried to fit Milroe into his system, while Dawson tweaked his system to accomodate Ward and would do same thing to Milroe.

Not that Milroe is coming though.

A) Ward fit into Dawson’s system with some minor tweaks and b) DeBoer 1000% tweaked his offense significantly.

 

[rascon]

Cam was a film junkie. Is Milroe? Cam spent the time to learn how defenses operated and what he could do to be successful. He also had Restrepo who could look at a defense and see the same things. That helped Cam be very successful

Will Milroe be able to do that?

Great questions.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

Maybe, but that's speculative. I would think the same staff that helped Penix be what he was would/could have helped Milroe with that this year when they coached him, but that's just me. I don't think Dawson's gonna find some button to push with Milroe to make him more consistent/better at those throws...and we can disagree on that.

I don't think Milroe and Penix are remotely the same type of QB. DeBoer had a good thing with Penix, that's nice. But maybe you should be asking if Milroe is a fit for what DeBoer wants to run instead of just chalking it up to Milroe ain't it cause DeBoer had success with Penix at Washington.

 

[BWCD]

I actually think your last sentence might be a reason to give a 2nd thought to Milroe tbh.

You are 100% right Dawson gave Ward the freedom to run the offense the way that suited him. It’s no secret that Ward audibled out a lot and he went big play hunting (going away from original play design mid-play) and he did so with great success.

That tells me Dawson is able to help the QB call plays that suit his strength.

If we got Milroe, will it look anything like Cam’s offense? Absolutely not.

But can he have success? I’m leaning towards yes.

That all said, I think Milroe takes his chances in the draft where they think they can fix anyone and everyone.

You're almost there, but your premise isn't correct (respectfully).

Cam came in and all Dawson had to do was get TF out of his way. It was a partnership and it worked, because Cam was an advanced QB as a passer. IQ and preparation thru the roof with elite arm talent.

Milroe. Ain't. That.

And Dawson's playcalling hasn't always been great. Cam got us into the right play more often than not because of his freedom to audible and his preparation/recognition being an elite level in addition to his arm talent.

Your premise is basically that Dawson will get out of Milroe's way and let him ball and all will go well...or that Dawson will call plays that maximizes Milroe's strengths. I'm not buying that, man. This offense is a system, and Dawson's gonna call the plays within the offense he needs to call...most OC's do that because they don't want to be limited in playcalling. It can't be Milroe left, Milroe right, Milroe throws a 50 yard bomb. Milroe is gonna have to come in and adapt. Maybe he can? But what he's put on the field so far at Bama says he has some big shortcomings in those areas. That's why I'm skeptical.

 

[rascon]

A) Ward fit into Dawson’s system with some minor tweaks and b) DeBoer 1000% tweaked his offense significantly.

I think you are under/over estimating both points to make a point. A point that I think is moot because he’s not coming here. lol.

 

[TwentySix]

I think you are under/over estimating both points to make a point. A point that I think is moot because he’s not coming here. lol.

That’s fine if you think that. But if you can watch the Alabama offense this year and what DeBoer was doing with Penix and tell me you’d think they were the same play callers if you didn’t know beforehand, I’d love to hear it.

 

[BWCD]

I don't think Milroe and Penix are remotely the same type of QB. DeBoer had a good thing with Penix, that's nice. But maybe you should be asking if Milroe is a fit for what DeBoer wants to run instead of just chalking it up to Milroe ain't it cause DeBoer had success with Penix at Washington.

Valid question to ask.

Now ask yourself if Milroe *as a passer* is a great fit for what Dawson wants to run here. A lot of the concepts DeBoer/Penix/Washington ran that Milroe didn't do well with (especially the short-mid small window throws) are what Dawson would ask Milroe to do.

Milroe might run for ~100 yards with regularity in our offense. But he's gonna miss critical 3rd and 6's or shorter because he can't hit an option route correctly...and we'll rightly complain about it. This isn't a made up scenario...*it's literally what happened at Bama*.

 

[rascon]

You're almost there, but your premise isn't correct (respectfully).

Cam came in and all Dawson had to do was get TF out of his way. It was a partnership and it worked, because Cam was an advanced QB as a passer. IQ and preparation thru the roof with elite arm talent.

Milroe. Ain't. That.

And Dawson's playcalling hasn't always been great. Cam got us into the right play more often than not because of his freedom to audible and his preparation/recognition being an elite level in addition to his arm talent.

Your premise is basically that Dawson will get out of Milroe's way and let him ball and all will go well...or that Dawson will call plays that maximizes Milroe's strengths. I'm not buying that, man. This offense is a system, and Dawson's gonna call the plays within the offense he needs to call...most OC's do that because they don't want to be limited in playcalling. It can't be Milroe left, Milroe right, Milroe throws a 50 yard bomb. Milroe is gonna have to come in and adapt. Maybe he can? But what he's put on the field so far at Bama says he has some big shortcomings in those areas. That's why I'm skeptical.

I don’t think Dawson got out of the way. It was a partnership for sure.

Your 2nd point I am on board with. I think Dawson might do a better job of finding out what Milroe can and can’t do. I think there is untapped potential there. But that said, I don’t think Milroe is an option.

 

[MumbleRap]

I think the difference is DeBoer tried to fit Milroe into his system, while Dawson tweaked his system to accomodate Ward and would do same thing to Milroe.

Correct. Go watch Dawson’s offense last year at UH, far more QB runs then his first two years at UM.

Think it’s clear that Shannon adapts to what he has at his disposal.

 

[lholtz52]

To be clear, I’d probably also prefer whichever QB we might be back-channeling to Milroe. My point is just that I believe Milroe has a path to being successful at Miami.

As far as bringing in a potential QB1 after spring…that’s just a huge no.

What do you attribute to the disparity between 2023 and 2024?

 

[407cane]

Anyone subscribed to give the notes on milroe ?

 

[ST26]

I thought I'd never say this, but I'm starting to think that the better long term plan would rocking with Luke Nickell this season, and selling him to the 26 class. Look at what the Lagway effect had on Florida's 25 class. It won't be the result fans here are hoping for, but our current strategy is clearly not working. The fact that it's year 4, and we're desperate for Wrs, Dbs, lbs and even defensive line is embarrassing. I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but it's something that needs to be considered.

 

[canecrazy23]

Im not impressed with Nickel at all, especially not as an early starter. In regards to your second comment, I would again disagree. Tyler Shough(out of Hamilton HS in the Phx area) was a better high school prospect than Luke Nickel and after battling injuries he has turned out to be a top tier "power 4" QB. He also inherited Justin Herbert...

@RVACane This comment right here just outed this poster. Send him to the plank.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

Valid question to ask.

Now ask yourself if Milroe *as a passer* is a great fit for what Dawson wants to run here. A lot of the concepts DeBoer/Penix/Washington ran that Milroe didn't do well with (especially the short-mid small window throws) are what Dawson would ask Milroe to do.

Milroe might run for ~100 yards with regularity in our offense. But he's gonna miss critical 3rd and 6's or shorter because he can't hit an option route correctly...and we'll rightly complain about it. This isn't a made up scenario...*it's literally what happened at Bama*.

I don't think Dawson would ask Milroe to do something he's not good at or knows he can't do.

 

[BWCD]

I don’t think Dawson got out of the way. It was a partnership for sure.

Your 2nd point I am on board with. I think Dawson might do a better job of finding out what Milroe can and can’t do. I think there is untapped potential there. But that said, I don’t think Milroe is an option.

Your faith in Dawson to adapt/develop QBs is much higher than mine. And the point you're missing with the bolded is Milroe has been in college for 4 seasons. He pretty much is what he is as a passer. One of his OC's was Bill O'Brien. If you mean to tell me that Dawson's gonna push a button with Milroe as a passer that O'Brien couldn't...

 

[BWCD]

I don't think Dawson would ask Milroe to do something he's not good at or knows he can't do.

Then that limits us offensively because there are core passing concepts/throws he needs to make in our offensive system that Milroe isn't consistently good enough to do. That's a bad thing, and at QB - we ought to be interested in finding a guy that doesn't limit us or make us one dimensional offensively. Even if Milroe is elite at that running dimension.