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QBS in the Portal as of 11/28

Morey161 said:
Sounds great who is available?
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This isn't the gotcha that you (or @Tempest apparently) thinks it is.

Just because you're right about what's in the portal *as of right now* doesn't mean we aren't back channeling someone who would be a better fit as a passer in this offense. And no, I'm not saying Gronowski (though I think he's a better passer than Milroe and a better fit as an arm in this offense). Also...someone might hop in in the Spring window that's a better fit as a passer than Milroe would be.

Milroe would be a great runner here or anywhere he goes (or even if he stays at Bama). Zero question about that. You guys are so busy defending this dude and dreaming of Lamar Jackson/Derrick Henry backfield that you're blindly excusing him as a passer when there's glaring issues there.
 
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Reyrey said:
Guys can improve. And system fits matter. Sometimes guys are asked to do things out of the comfort zone. The idea that a guy can’t get better by changing uniforms (teams) is unequivocally wrong.

Look at Bo Nix, Rourke, Penix, McCord, etc.

2023 -> 2024 completely new offense staff. Something worked in 2023 clearly. View attachment 316149
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20 rushing TDs this year?! God**** lmao
 
Tempest said:
I didn’t think Bo Nix would be anything but a turnover machine at Oregon but he ‘magically’ learned how to play QB there.
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Nix had a better supporting cast at Oregon than he did at Auburn. That helped materially in his development. Cannot ignore that.

If you could sell me somehow on Milroe becoming Oregon Nix, I'd hop on the bandwagon with you. From what he's shown at Bama...I just don't see it, and I can't go out on that ledge with you.

Direct question here - should Milroe come to Miami, do you have faith in Shannon Dawson to develop a guy like Milroe into a Bo Nix-like QB as a passer? Because honestly, I don't. Cam Ward's play was him being a ready-made superior passer. Not because Dawson molded him into that.
 
BWCD said:
This isn't the gotcha that you (or @Tempest apparently) thinks it is.

Just because you're right about what's in the portal *as of right now* doesn't mean we aren't back channeling someone who would be a better fit as a passer in this offense. And no, I'm not saying Gronowski (though I think he's a better passer than Milroe and a better fit as an arm in this offense). Also...someone might hop in in the Spring window that's a better fit as a passer than Milroe would be.

Milroe would be a great runner here or anywhere he goes (or even if he stays at Bama). Zero question about that. You guys are so busy defending this dude and dreaming of Lamar Jackson/Derrick Henry backfield that you're blindly excusing him as a passer when there's glaring issues there.
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To be clear, I’d probably also prefer whichever QB we might be back-channeling to Milroe. My point is just that I believe Milroe has a path to being successful at Miami.

As far as bringing in a potential QB1 after spring…that’s just a huge no.
 
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BWCD said:
Nix had a better supporting cast at Oregon than he did at Auburn. That helped materially in his development. Cannot ignore that.

If you could sell me somehow on Milroe becoming Oregon Nix, I'd hop on the bandwagon with you. From what he's shown at Bama...I just don't see it, and I can't go out on that ledge with you.

Direct question here - should Milroe come to Miami, do you have faith in Shannon Dawson to develop a guy like Milroe into a Bo Nix-like QB as a passer? Because honestly, I don't. Cam Ward's play was him being a ready-made superior passer. Not because Dawson molded him into that.
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We don't need to mold Milroe into a Nix-like passer to have the success we want to achieve next year.
 
Robertson or Leavitt if they became available have to be 1a / 1b.

After that, I guess Milroe would be the best guy left if he jumped in? Options are dwindling fast.
 
Tempest said:
To be clear, I’d probably also prefer whichever QB we might be back-channeling to Milroe. My point is just that I believe Milroe has a path to being successful at Miami.

As far as bringing in a potential QB1 after spring…that’s just a huge no.
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Why is that so far fetched? If whoever we get as QB1 is the guy, sure...having him for Spring would be ideal, but if the guy is a system fit and a leader...the offseason and Fall would be enough.

Let's just say for S&G's that Leavitt is a viable option, but can't be here until post-Spring. Would you take Milroe now for the Spring? Or would you take Leavitt for post-spring/Fall? All things equal, I'd take a guy like Leavitt just a few months later as opposed to Milroe now.
 
BWCD said:
Nix had a better supporting cast at Oregon than he did at Auburn. That helped materially in his development. Cannot ignore that.

If you could sell me somehow on Milroe becoming Oregon Nix, I'd hop on the bandwagon with you. From what he's shown at Bama...I just don't see it, and I can't go out on that ledge with you.

Direct question here - should Milroe come to Miami, do you have faith in Shannon Dawson to develop a guy like Milroe into a Bo Nix-like QB as a passer? Because honestly, I don't. Cam Ward's play was him being a ready-made superior passer. Not because Dawson molded him into that.
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To answer your question, yes. I believe the combination of Dawson and our strong OL could help Milroe improve a lot as a passer. While I wouldn’t necessarily bet on it, I could see a world where Milroe finishes ~6th in the Heisman voting again.
 
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Manfred_Cane said:
We don't need to mold Milroe into a Nix-like passer to have the success we want to achieve next year.
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Agreed. But we do need him to make throws in Dawson's system that he's shown at Bama he's not good at doing consistently. Either Milroe gets better at that with a uniform change, or Dawson takes those things out of the offense and just plays Wing T out of the shotgun with him. The former of those 2 things would be ideal (but not likely), and the latter would be a disaster and would make us one dimensional, and we ought to be shooting higher than that at the QB spot.
 
BWCD said:
Why is that so far fetched? If whoever we get as QB1 is the guy, sure...having him for Spring would be ideal, but if the guy is a system fit and a leader...the offseason and Fall would be enough.

Let's just say for S&G's that Leavitt is a viable option, but can't be here until post-Spring. Would you take Milroe now for the Spring? Or would you take Leavitt for post-spring/Fall? All things equal, I'd take a guy like Leavitt just a few months later as opposed to Milroe now.
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Yes, I’d take Leavitt in the spring window. But that’s a different situation IMO. He’s a multi-year guy as opposed to most of the other QBs being one and done.
 
Tempest said:
To answer your question, yes. I believe the combination of Dawson and our strong OL could help Milroe improve a lot as a passer. While I wouldn’t necessarily bet on it, I could see a world where Milroe finishes ~6th in the Heisman voting again.
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I think it's more likely we can find another viable QB option that's a better system fit as a passer when the dust settles on the portal eventally, versus Milroe getting coached up by Dawson and improving as a passer. You've got a lot of confidence in Dawson as a QB coach. If he was that...why aren't Judd/Emory further along?

Yes the improved OL will help, but I think the jump from Bama's OL to ours isn't as massive an upgrade as you think. He didn't exactly have training dummies in front of him. I love our OL, but I'm not sure if an extra 0.3-0.5 seconds will mean that Milroe can make the throws he's missing that we'd need him to make consistently.
 
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BWCD said:
This isn't the gotcha that you (or @Tempest apparently) thinks it is.

Just because you're right about what's in the portal *as of right now* doesn't mean we aren't back channeling someone who would be a better fit as a passer in this offense. And no, I'm not saying Gronowski (though I think he's a better passer than Milroe and a better fit as an arm in this offense). Also...someone might hop in in the Spring window that's a better fit as a passer than Milroe would be.

Milroe would be a great runner here or anywhere he goes (or even if he stays at Bama). Zero question about that. You guys are so busy defending this dude and dreaming of Lamar Jackson/Derrick Henry backfield that you're blindly excusing him as a passer when there's glaring issues there.
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Sounds great. Will keep waiting then and I don't even disagree with you just saying if he is available I would be more than happy with him. Would I be happier with other QB's sure I would but I would not be unhappy with Milroe.
 
Morey161 said:
Sounds great. Will keep waiting then and I don't even disagree with you just saying if he is available I would be more than happy with him. Would I be happier with other QB's sure I would but I would not be unhappy with Milroe.
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I wouldn't be unhappy with Milroe given the *current* roster/portal landscape. I'd have concerns, but I'd let it play out.

I simply see the narrative here being blind to Milroe's shortcomings as a passer because of stars in people's eyes with him as a runner. Just be realistic about it is all I'm asking.

All that said...I think what we ultimately get as a passer will be better than Milroe. That's certainly my expectation for Mario to get done. If he doesn't, my ire will be towards Mario on that front.
 
BWCD said:
Agreed. But we do need him to make throws in Dawson's system that he's shown at Bama he's not good at doing consistently. Either Milroe gets better at that with a uniform change, or Dawson takes those things out of the offense and just plays Wing T out of the shotgun with him. The former of those 2 things would be ideal (but not likely), and the latter would be a disaster and would make us one dimensional, and we ought to be shooting higher than that at the QB spot.
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I think Dawson can help Milroe hit the layups/single, while leaning into his running to help set up what he's best at, hitting the HR ball.
 
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Problem2 said:
The Penix merchant ruined Milroe.

He’s better than Haynes King when used properly, and everyone loves King lol
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I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that DeBoer’s offense makes use of a lot of option/sight-adjust routes. Washington looked great with an older/uber-talented receiver group with Pennix. There were also games of their’s where Pennix and the receiver weren’t on the same page and the throw/receiver weren’t in the same zip code. Purely theoretical but year one of this system at Alabama caused Milroe to regress, but the guy was getting Mike Vick comps following that Georgia game. Kid probably just needs a change of scenery
 
Manfred_Cane said:
I think Dawson can help Milroe hit the layups/single, while leaning into his running to help set up what he's best at, hitting the HR ball.
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Maybe, but that's speculative. I would think the same staff that helped Penix be what he was would/could have helped Milroe with that this year when they coached him, but that's just me. I don't think Dawson's gonna find some button to push with Milroe to make him more consistent/better at those throws...and we can disagree on that.
 
Writers are salivating at the idea of Milroe to Miami so they can just find and replace “DeBoer” with “Dawson” in their articles from last offseason about how the new situation/coach can improve him as a passer.
 
TwentySix said:
Writers are salivating at the idea of Milroe to Miami so they can just find and replace “DeBoer” with “Dawson” in their articles from last offseason about how the new situation/coach can improve him as a passer.
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It's like the females looking at a man saying "I can fix him", then realizing the project isn't worth it.
 
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