Pop tart bowl vs Iowa State

You can **** straight off with that Quien Es Mas Macho bullcrap.

And I will also ask you (politely) to stop misrepresenting my posts on this board, and the last 40 years of my support for my alma mater.

I don't give a **** if you're going to be a self-appointed hall monitor. It's truly pathetic on your part. I don't need any "reminders" from you, I am keenly aware EVERY SINGLE TIME I have something negative to say about Miami athletics, because my preferred method of response would be to be "more positive".

But that's not reality.

And I sure as **** don't need some bizarre reverse-psychology from you to "convince" me to attend another ****** bowl game in Orlando. You're "eating with or without me"? Why should I care? I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything, certainly not trying to convince you NOT to go to the game. Do what you want. Good for you.

Mario has serious issues to address. Hiring better coordinators. Making sure we can pay whatever it takes to land a top portal class. Finding a new QB. SOMEDAY becoming better at time and situational management at the ends of halves. Figuring out how to make "second-half adjustments" in the first quarter. TRUSTING the guys he hires and figuring out how to delegate more (and to better people than Dennis Smith).

And maybe in 18 days, I'll show up to one of the worst urban football stadiums in America to cheer for a crappy bowl game that I have ALWAYS felt was irrelevant. I can't change the fact that I have ALWAYS felt that bowl games and the electoral college were stupid, regardless of "who's involved".

Sorry that living in Orlando for most of my life doesn't make me love the "Pop Tarts Bowl".

Sorry that being a Miami alum for most of my life doesn't make me overlook the mistakes made by the UM athletics program, the coaches, and/or the players.

And sorry for my honesty.
stop saying sorry and typing out paragraph excuses... just be accountable and be a better human being with your fellow Canes

brutal honesty is what you are hearing from me and you struggling to comprehend that is making you look like a fool..

if you cant handle it don't let the door hit you in the *** or just continue to keep blabbering out excuses its an open public forum but don't think for one second that the rest of us are going to let you bring the moral down 247 wallowing in your sorrows to then contradict yourself completely pshhh
 
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I'll roll the dice here, but after seeing how it went for the last guy I ain't that optimistic.

-Bowls are a complete crapshoot nowadays. Always have been IMO, but it's gotten worse in the opt-out era. Seems like conflicting opinions on whether or not Ward plays, but I'm not sure it has a dramatic effect on my thoughts on the outcome.

-Campbell is an incredible program builder who has taken this program to heights not previously imaginable for Iowa State, and has sustained a much higher level of success than previously thought possible. He's absolute dog **** in one-off non conference settings. Our bowl games have mostly been a disaster and it took him the better part of a decade to beat Iowa. That alone gives me a ton of concern about this game.

-Our defense is really good at limiting high flying pass first offenses. Ask Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes about going up against ISU defenses. However, we've been ****** against the run. Cam Skattebo is still laughing at our god-awful tackling. Our defensive health is an unknown too and will likely be material in the outcome. You guys establish the run and Ward will cook us. If we can get you into some 3rd and longs, I think our DC will frustrate the **** out of him.

-Our offense goes as our OL goes. When we get some push and can establish a run game, our passing game can be lethal. If you beat our OL, you'll bury our RBs, get them behind the chains early in possessions, force fumbles, and get our QB in a place where he starts to push, which likely means you're getting a TD out of the deal.

-These are two of the better teams not in the playoffs when playing at their best. Both squads got a lot of close wins after playing with fire. Some of the posters running down our program and the state of Iowa in general come off like ignorant **** sippers. This bowl game sucks? Sure, I guess, but that has more to do with being in the one major Florida city that isn't on the beach. The best teams are in the playoff nowadays and you didn't make it either. What bowl game doesn't suck, relatively speaking?

Right now I think Miami wins, and covers. We've been bad in these kind of spots, and you have more talent. I think we have better coaching and good enough talent but it's basically a home game for you guys and I don't think our fans will turn out that well for it (3rd trip to this game in last 6 years and Orlando just doesn't have a great central party district the way many bowl cities do). If Ward plays you have the best player on the field. If he doesn't, we still suck in bowls.

38-24 Canes. Hope I'm wrong. The game has potential to be a **** of a good one if we play our best football.


You have already taken the most important first step by NOT making reference to ******* any of our mothers.

Great observations and analysis. I've never been a fan of meaningless bowl games (the vast majority of them) and I think the "motivation differential" is even worse these days, between opt-outs, transfers, and the whole F$U "we've got no reason to play anymore due to The Snub" disease.

I have no doubt that the Miami players will give it their all, Mario has really rebuit the character of our program in that regard. But if we also have key guys missing...well, talent is still talent, and if SOME of our most talented players choose not to play, it is already a different situation than if we played in the middle of the regular season.

If you don't like my opinions on Iowa State and the Big 12, that is up to you. You won't be changing my mind. I'm tired of Drake Toll's stentorian propaganda. If you think that's "ignorance" of Iowa State, that's up to you, but the Big 12 conference is garbage without Texas and Oklahoma. That's just a fact, and try not to equate that with me thinking the ACC is so amazingly wonderful. I will be very happy when we move to a better conference. The Pop Tarts bowl game sucks because it is against Iowa State, not because Orlando "isn't on the beach". You realize that we would have happily gone to Charlotte and Atlanta for game destinations (assuming our first CFP win in Miami) and neither of those two cities are "on the beach".

And again, whether you agree with me or not, I have chosen not to get personal with you.
 
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I'll roll the dice here, but after seeing how it went for the last guy I ain't that optimistic.

-Bowls are a complete crapshoot nowadays. Always have been IMO, but it's gotten worse in the opt-out era. Seems like conflicting opinions on whether or not Ward plays, but I'm not sure it has a dramatic effect on my thoughts on the outcome.

-Campbell is an incredible program builder who has taken this program to heights not previously imaginable for Iowa State, and has sustained a much higher level of success than previously thought possible. He's absolute dog **** in one-off non conference settings. Our bowl games have mostly been a disaster and it took him the better part of a decade to beat Iowa. That alone gives me a ton of concern about this game.

-Our defense is really good at limiting high flying pass first offenses. Ask Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes about going up against ISU defenses. However, we've been ****** against the run. Cam Skattebo is still laughing at our god-awful tackling. Our defensive health is an unknown too and will likely be material in the outcome. You guys establish the run and Ward will cook us. If we can get you into some 3rd and longs, I think our DC will frustrate the **** out of him.

-Our offense goes as our OL goes. When we get some push and can establish a run game, our passing game can be lethal. If you beat our OL, you'll bury our RBs, get them behind the chains early in possessions, force fumbles, and get our QB in a place where he starts to push, which likely means you're getting a TD out of the deal.

-These are two of the better teams not in the playoffs when playing at their best. Both squads got a lot of close wins after playing with fire. Some of the posters running down our program and the state of Iowa in general come off like ignorant **** sippers. This bowl game sucks? Sure, I guess, but that has more to do with being in the one major Florida city that isn't on the beach. The best teams are in the playoff nowadays and you didn't make it either. What bowl game doesn't suck, relatively speaking?

Right now I think Miami wins, and covers. We've been bad in these kind of spots, and you have more talent. I think we have better coaching and good enough talent but it's basically a home game for you guys and I don't think our fans will turn out that well for it (3rd trip to this game in last 6 years and Orlando just doesn't have a great central party district the way many bowl cities do). If Ward plays you have the best player on the field. If he doesn't, we still suck in bowls.

38-24 Canes. Hope I'm wrong. The game has potential to be a **** of a good one if we play our best football.
It looks we're 2-1 decent Cyclone fans to trolls. That far exceeds most other fanbases we've encountered.

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stop saying sorry and typing out paragraph excuses... just be accountable and be a better human being with your fellow Canes

brutal honesty is what you are hearing from me and you struggling to comprehend that is making you look like a fool..

if you cant handle it don't let the door hit you in the *** or just continue to keep blabbering out excuses its an open public forum but don't think for one second that the rest of us are going to let you bring the moral down 247 wallowing in your sorrows to then contradict yourself completely pshhh


What a joke you are.

I've already told you what you can do. So get to "******* off" straight away.

"The rest of us". Hilarious. As if anyone would ever want you to speak on his or her behalf.

If you can't see that the massive and avoidable mistakes of November have nearly destroyed an "all-in" season, then go to Orlando and "eat" like an oblivious pig.

All I care about now is the winter Portal. And February Signing Day. And the spring Portal.

Caring about the Pop Tarts Bowl is just slopping around in ****.
 
What a joke you are.

I've already told you what you can do. So get to "******* off" straight away.

"The rest of us". Hilarious. As if anyone would ever want you to speak on his or her behalf.

If you can't see that the massive and avoidable mistakes of November have nearly destroyed an "all-in" season, then go to Orlando and "eat" like an oblivious pig.

All I care about now is the winter Portal. And February Signing Day. And the spring Portal.

Caring about the Pop Tarts Bowl is just slopping around in ****.
david krumholtz ifc GIF
 
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This thread is already more entertaining than the game will be. No, I'm not going. Yes, I'm an alum. No, it doesn't mean I don't care about the school or the program. It means I'm not spending my money to go to a ****** stadium through ****** traffic in a ****** area just to watch a ****** game.

I just hope nobody gets hurt.
 
You have already taken the most important first step by NOT making reference to ******* any of our mothers.

Great observations and analysis. I've never been a fan of meaningless bowl games (the vast majority of them) and I think the "motivation differential" is even worse these days, between opt-outs, transfers, and the whole F$U "we've got no reason to play anymore due to The Snub" disease.

I have no doubt that the Miami players will give it their all, Mario has really rebuit the character of our program in that regard. But if we also have key guys missing...well, talent is still talent, and if SOME of our most talented players choose not to play, it is already a different situation than if we played in the middle of the regular season.

If you don't like my opinions on Iowa State and the Big 12, that is up to you. You won't be changing my mind. I'm tired of Drake Toll's stentorian propaganda. If you think that's "ignorance" of Iowa State, that's up to you, but the Big 12 conference is garbage without Texas and Oklahoma. That's just a fact, and try not to equate that with me thinking the ACC is so amazingly wonderful. I will be very happy when we move to a better conference. The Pop Tarts bowl game sucks because it is against Iowa State, not because Orlando "isn't on the beach". You realize that we would have happily gone to Charlotte and Atlanta for game destinations (assuming our first CFP win in Miami) and neither of those two cities are "on the beach".

And again, whether you agree with me or not, I have chosen not to get personal with you.
Drake Toll is a ******* idiot and I'm legitimately surprised a fan of a team in another conference has even heard of him. I don't listen to his show, and he covers the teams my school plays.

We're the only ranked team you've played this year. If you're annoyed that we weren't good enough 30 years ago for you to care about Iowa State in the past, sorry, I guess.

I realize you aren't stanning for the ACC, but the Big 12 had a higher Sagarin rating than the ACC this year. That's an actual fact. When you say the Big 12 sucks, you're giving an opinion. For the record, I think the two leagues are very similar, and would say that 70% of the Big 10 is the same as the ACC and Big 12. The ACC's biggest brands have more cache, but the worst teams are much worse. A fan of one league acting like there's a massive difference is operating in a space of pure opinion. We played 3 games against ranked opponents. You've played none.

Assuming you'll end up in a better conference seems like a dangerous game too. There are maybe 15-20 schools in college football that are in the top tier from a wholistic institutional standpoint. Most of them are in the SEC. 4-5 are in the Big 10. We are not one and never have been. You have been one before but I'm not sure you're one today - I suppose the potential is always there with local talent. I don't know if you felt you deserved to play a more historic brand this off-season or not. I'm not trying to assume your motives, but I'm not sure what was legitimately on the table for you that's a better match up. Would you rather play an awful Michigan team just because of the historic brand? We're considerably better than them this year.

I think I've avoided being personal, but I like, many Big 12 fans are tired of hearing about how undesirable and worthless we are just because we weren't good 100 years ago. Do you like good football or do you get caught up in amorphous concepts of prestige and history? Because if you prefer the former, you've got a pretty interesting game on your hand. If you need the latter, welp, I guess we can't do much for ya there.
 
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This thread is already more entertaining than the game will be. No, I'm not going. Yes, I'm an alum. No, it doesn't mean I don't care about the school or the program. It means I'm not spending my money to go to a ****** stadium through ****** traffic in a ****** area just to watch a ****** game.

I just hope nobody gets hurt.
told my buddy zero shot im driving my car into that **** hole. itll be on bricks by the time the game ends.
 
Drake Toll is a ******* idiot and I'm legitimately surprised a fan of a team in another conference has even heard of him. I don't listen to his show, and he covers the teams my school plays.

We're the only ranked team you've played this year. If you're annoyed that we weren't good enough 30 years ago for you to care about Iowa State in the past, sorry, I guess.

I realize you aren't stanning for the ACC, but the Big 12 had a higher Sagarin rating than the ACC this year. That's an actual fact. When you say the Big 12 sucks, you're giving an opinion. For the record, I think the two leagues are very similar, and would say that 70% of the Big 10 is the same as the ACC and Big 12. The ACC's biggest brands have more cache, but the worst teams are much worse. A fan of one league acting like there's a massive difference is operating in a space of pure opinion. We played 3 games against ranked opponents. You've played none.

Assuming you'll end up in a better conference seems like a dangerous game too. There are maybe 15-20 schools in college football that are in the top tier from a wholistic institutional standpoint. Most of them are in the SEC. 4-5 are in the Big 10. We are not one and never have been. You have been one before but I'm not sure you're one today - I suppose the potential is always there with local talent. I don't know if you felt you deserved to play a more historic brand this off-season or not. I'm not trying to assume your motives, but I'm not sure what was legitimately on the table for you that's a better match up. Would you rather play an awful Michigan team just because of the historic brand? We're considerably better than them this year.

I think I've avoided being personal, but I like, many Big 12 fans are tired of hearing about how undesirable and worthless we are just because we weren't good 100 years ago. Do you like good football or do you get caught up in amorphous concepts of prestige and history? Because if you prefer the former, you've got a pretty interesting game on your hand. If you need the latter, welp, I guess we can't do much for ya there.


I don't give a **** if Iowa State is ranked. And I don't give a **** about "ranked at the time we played them" either. You have chosen to overlook the fact that Syracuse is currently ranked. But, hey, we should respect you more "because you are currently ranked" when we eventually play you. I guess.

But I guess that stating facts about how trash the Big 12 is and how little we actually care about you was bound to bring on the stats nerd nonsense. Whatever. Knock yourself out. "Sagarin". Sure.

As for the rest of your "opinions" on what is happening with conference realignment, I just don't care. I'm "assuming" nothing. I know why Miami is desirable to the Big 10 and it's not limited to football rankings. I know where we'll be. I know where Iowa State will stay.

And I don't care if you are "tired of hearing about how undesirable and worthless your schools are", and it has nothing to do with "100 years ago". The Big 12 is just bad, and taking the undesirable Pac 12 leftovers did nothing to make the situation better. And, ****, I'm not praising the ACC taking Cal and Stanford, and before you forget, SMU basically paid the ACC to take them (which is looking like a pretty smart move on SMU's part).

I know, I know, you're going to play some "selective stats" games now. Like how many "ranked teams" you played. Here's the reality.

We lost by 5 points, on the road, to a bowl-eligible 7-5 Georgia Tech team that just took UGa to 8 overtimes. And Georgia Tech was ranked this season, and may end the year ranked. So that's not a bad loss.

And we lost by 4 points, on the road, to a bowl-eligible 9-3 Syracuse team WHO IS NOW RANKED. So that's not a bad loss either.

And the reason I mention this is because if the ONLY THING standing between Iowa State and being UNDEFEATED was 9 points on the road, you'd be pretty ****ed off too, and dissatisfied with playing the third place team in the crappy Big 12.

You want to tell me more about how all of the mighty victories by Iowa State are superior to going up to Hogtown and destroying the bowl-eligible Gators? Or going to Tampa and beating the bowl-eligible USF Bulls? Or beating 8-4 Louisville (a team that was ranked this year) or 9-3 Duke (a team that probably should be ranked)? Or coming from 25 points back, on the road, to beat a bowl-eligible Cal?

I don't look at "Sagarin", I look at who we beat, the quality of those teams, where and how it happened, and in what circumstances. I can't change the fact that 15 of the pre-season Top 25 ranking spots were taken by SEC and Big 10 teams, thus making all of THEIR wins (and losses) look like quality wins (and losses) while there are still 9-win ACC teams fighting to even be ranked.

At this point, I'm going to disengage. I realize you can't fathom the many, many reasons why most of the colleges in the rest of the country do not care about playing Iowa State, and do not find that game compelling in any way, even if it is possible for the football on the field to be moderately entertaining (and you can admit that the majority of bowl games turn out to be boring low-scoring and/or one-sided affairs, no matter how good the "football matchup" appeared to be when the teams were first paired).

To put this another way...if Miami played Notre Dame...sure, it might be a TERRIBLE game...but the fans of both schools would love it, and people would tune in to the that game all across the country. It's not about "prestige" or "100 years".

We have never played Iowa State, not in the regular season or a bowl game. I'm sorry if you equate this to us thinking we are "better than" Iowa State, but the reality is that WE DON'T CARE about Iowa State. The only Big 12 team that Miami fans MIGHT give a **** about is West Virginia, due to our shared history as major independent teams, and then Big East conference mates. Oh, and we've played Houston and Cincy a few times too, because we were all major independent teams, once upon a time. ****, we've played DETROIT MERCY more times than we've played most Big 12 teams.

Just be honest. We lost two winnable road games to bowl-eligible teams by 5 and 4 points.

We did not lose to 5-7 Kansas by 10. We did not lose to 5-7 Cincy by 10. We did not lose to TWO 6-6 teams by 5 and 21 points. WE DID NOT LOSE AT HOME TO NORTHERN ILLINOIS, which should be a disqualifying event in-and-of-itself.

If you think we should be happy after a season's worth of writers and coaches and CFP voters downgrading Miami and downgrading the ACC, and then feel oh-so-grateful to be playing Iowa State in a meaningless bowl, then that's for you to project your own value system onto. This has been a disappointing November and a disappointing CFP outcome, and whipping up some fake enthusiasm to play Iowa ******* State is not going to improve the situation.
 
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You know what your right, i am being a ****.. an honest **** but still a ****.. after eating lunch evaluating our conversation and reading Felonious Monks post LMAO i realized that you reside/are stuck in the disney rat ****e hole that is Orlando. I feel your misery seeing as Brevard is now Orlando East. I am sorry OGCANE i should have taken into consideration that you living in literal **** with no escape is enough to drive any man crazy.. add on the fact Miami drops games to Tech and Cuse to spoil a possible perfect season i bet your ready for a shotgun to the mouth.. but lets take it to the limit and force you to attend a UM game in the trash *** Camping world stadium against a trash *** opponent.. go ahead and kick the bucket

We all don't care about pop tarts or Iowa State but as true Canes we should relish in the 10 win season fighting for 11, enjoy Cam Ward playing if he does........................................................................................................................................even though its been 20 years of getting royally fcked in every way possible!

Ill give you a break man i know why you are so angry/negative 90% of the time your stuck in bumper to bumper I4 traffic on your phone posting on Canes Insight :ROFLMAO:
 
You know what your right, i am being a ****.. an honest **** but still a ****.. after eating lunch evaluating our conversation and reading Felonious Monks post LMAO i realized that you reside/are stuck in the disney rat ****e hole that is Orlando. I feel your misery seeing as Brevard is now Orlando East. I am sorry OGCANE i should have taken into consideration that you living in literal **** with no escape is enough to drive any man crazy.. add on the fact Miami drops games to Tech and Cuse to spoil a possible perfect season i bet your ready for a shotgun to the mouth.. but lets take it to the limit and force you to attend a UM game in the trash *** Camping world stadium against a trash *** opponent.. go ahead and kick the bucket

We all don't care about pop tarts or Iowa State but as true Canes we should relish in the 10 win season fighting for 11, enjoy Cam Ward playing if he does........................................................................................................................................even though its been 20 years of getting royally fcked in every way possible!

Ill give you a break man i know why you are so angry/negative 90% of the time your stuck in bumper to bumper I4 traffic on your phone posting on Canes Insight :ROFLMAO:


I haven't lived in Orlando (or even Florida) for several years.

Once again, you fail.
 
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I haven't lived in Orlando (or even Florida) for several years.

Once again, you fail.
Good for you, you got out before everyone and their mom moved here.

The only thing I’ve failed at is making you a better human being on the forums. I tried, you’ll remain the prick you are so good luck in life your going to need it with your **** poor attitude
 
Good for you, you got out before everyone and their mom moved here.

The only thing I’ve failed at is making you a better human being on the forums. I tried, you’ll remain the prick you are so good luck in life your going to need it with your **** poor attitude


Hilarious. The information you do NOT know about me would fill a set of encyclopedias. Sorry you wasted your last long post on a faulty premise.

Keep flailing.
 
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