OK, convince me why Golden should still be here after this.

[Miami82]

Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.

I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

There's a lot of turth to that, Jay. But are you seeing anyone improve since games 1-3? You would think by week 10 we would have someone who can step in and cover a TE once or twice a game, but we don't. The offense isn't better and arguably has regressed. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not convinced next year's team will be measurably better than this one.

Agreed, and I haven't taken a peek at the roster yet.

 

[Miami82]

We had this game, I find it funny with all the posters stating we were picked to win 6 or 7 games. Excuse me for expecting something better than what they said pre-season when we have lost a game today we should have won.


I think our fan base has become shancokered.

There is a major trend with this D, and I just hope this isn't the start of another end of season collapse.

We've won games we shouldn't have won, too. Mediocre teams with marginal talent have that quality.

What games? Who did we beat that we shouldn't have beaten? We lost to every good team we faced this year in blowout fashion, and we lost to some good teams (with a closer margin, but also not at the same level) the year before. We haven't had a bonafide upset of a good team (that actually turned out to be good at the end of the season) in years.

Lets bump to get some answers. Come ob Sebastian, answer the question.

This year we should have won UNC and UVA. We had those games. The problem with this predictive crap is they can be wrong and it doesn't mean that that is what you strive for. So adjustments by the staff and those two losses are wins.

If this crappy *** website didn't have post limits, you wouldn't have had to wait for the answer.

To understand the answer, I first have to say that, IMO, this team is really bad. We have limited talent, no upperclassmen leadership, no depth. We are not the Canes of 2001, 1991, 1987. I'd argue that we aren't even the Canes of 2006 or 2007.

That said, GT had us on the ropes and clearly should have beaten us. They imploded and turned out to be worse than we are. NCSU couldn't get out of their own way. Somehow, we end up beating them, but they should have beaten us. If Logan Thomas doesn't singlehandedly give us that game, we lose to VT. That's 3 games we've won this year that we should NOT have won. That won't make any sense to anyone who doesn't first accept that we are every bit as bad a team as those teams. Anyone still living in the past and thinking that "we are the canes! we don't lose to those teams!" is pipe dreaming. There's no such thing as "teams we should beat" anymore (maybe except Bethune).

Wow, ... you just used the reason we won 3 games is because of the others teams couldn't get out of there own way? Really?

 

[Miami82]

Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.

I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

Have you considered that perhaps Golden and his staff know more about coaching football than the Monday morning QB schmucks on this message board????

I'm pretty sure there are some posters on here that would do a better job and use of our talent than the DC.

 

[UMJer026]

But what on the defense side of the ball has made you so patient to think it is just a talent/depth issue?

I do think that, up until the Virginia game, the defense was improving, albeit at a lazy, drunken snail's pace.

Further, I have seen improvement from individuals on that side of the ball. Gunther has really come on. Johnson has the makings of an animal. Bush looks very promising. Pierre has shown flashes. Realistically, and without naming names, I think we're just playing too many guys that don't belong on the field.

I do think that certain adjustments could be made to help improve short-term performance (and, therefore results), but I also think the staff is taking a long-term view here, figuring it's better to implement the system they want now, even if it means performance suffers in the short-term.

 

[sebastian91]

Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.

I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

Have you considered that perhaps Golden and his staff know more about coaching football than the Monday morning QB schmucks on this message board????

I'm pretty sure there are some posters on here that would do a better job and use of our talent than the DC.

LOL, I'm pretty sure not.

 

[RepTheGables]

Jesus this thread is ****ed.



"Why Golden should be here after this?"



Okay, I got the best answer for you: Just who the **** else would want this job?



On the eve of possible major sanctions. After the third fired coach in 6 years (great job security). An oblivious, ineffective, and often poorly run athletic department and at a school that's benefited greatly off the football program but never gone to any lengths to give back to it. One of the few schools in major FBS football without it's 'own' stadium, even worse, that home stadium is basically a neutral field. A program reviled by the major media, who will use every chance, every small window of opportunity to take a shot in your direction. Bad facilities (yes I know we're getting an upgrade soon, but even then they will pale in comparison to some of the other major FBS schools). And yeah, you'll get a good but not great salary (in a place with a high cost of living, but I digress), and your assistants will get middle of the road ACC money...now go build yourself a dream staff!



But the history, you say!


History only goes so far, and with every passing year, that storied history fades, and all those superstars we put in the NFL get a little older. At one time, schools like Pitt, Colorado, Washington, etc. (yes, they didn't have the run of success we did, but the point stands) had proud histories and MNC under their belt, now they are also-rans stuck in the doldrums of mediocrity.



But the recruiting base!



Yes, the recruiting base: some of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation...and some of the worse high schools educationally. Even if you find studs like a Grooms, a Leggett, and sell them to the point where they commit, can you get them qualified and accepted into Donna Shalala's University of Miami? And talk about competition, as fertile as it is, your recruiting base will be thoroughly mined, not only by the two other major state schools (both with easier admittance, better facilities, more boosters=$, etc, than you do) but by just about every other FBS program with a pulse.



But surely, local pride will keep those kids home?



Sure. A few. But South Florida seems to have some of the scuzziest figures, spineless fans, snarkiest media, and selfish families around. In states like Texas, Alabama, etc, the pressure on a kid to stay in the region is tremendous, in South Florida, it seems everyone thinks it's a great idea for the kid to 'get away'. And even if he doesn't, his head coach will want him to (and if he sleeps on that head coaches' couch, watch out), or his mother, or his 'boys' he went to school with, etc.. And, if you do manage to build a sort of wall, keeping kids at home, the media will be after it like Mongolians, nowhere else does so much 'outside' media have so much influence.



So, regardless of if you have belief in Golden, you better cross your fingers and prey to your god that he's the one, because Jimmy Johnson (or Jon Gruden) ain't walking through that door. The only thing that is is the monster called Mediocrity, and if Golden isn't the one that can fight it, we are all in for it my friends. So put the whiny threads away and grin and bear it like the rest of us. And hope.

Lots of truth in this post.

 

[sebastian91]

We've won games we shouldn't have won, too. Mediocre teams with marginal talent have that quality.

What games? Who did we beat that we shouldn't have beaten? We lost to every good team we faced this year in blowout fashion, and we lost to some good teams (with a closer margin, but also not at the same level) the year before. We haven't had a bonafide upset of a good team (that actually turned out to be good at the end of the season) in years.

Lets bump to get some answers. Come ob Sebastian, answer the question.

This year we should have won UNC and UVA. We had those games. The problem with this predictive crap is they can be wrong and it doesn't mean that that is what you strive for. So adjustments by the staff and those two losses are wins.

If this crappy *** website didn't have post limits, you wouldn't have had to wait for the answer.

To understand the answer, I first have to say that, IMO, this team is really bad. We have limited talent, no upperclassmen leadership, no depth. We are not the Canes of 2001, 1991, 1987. I'd argue that we aren't even the Canes of 2006 or 2007.

That said, GT had us on the ropes and clearly should have beaten us. They imploded and turned out to be worse than we are. NCSU couldn't get out of their own way. Somehow, we end up beating them, but they should have beaten us. If Logan Thomas doesn't singlehandedly give us that game, we lose to VT. That's 3 games we've won this year that we should NOT have won. That won't make any sense to anyone who doesn't first accept that we are every bit as bad a team as those teams. Anyone still living in the past and thinking that "we are the canes! we don't lose to those teams!" is pipe dreaming. There's no such thing as "teams we should beat" anymore (maybe except Bethune).

Wow, ... you just used the reason we won 3 games is because of the others teams couldn't get out of there own way? Really?

Really, but I don't expect you to understand because you're still stuck thinking that we actually have enough talent to be a decent defense and shouldn't be considered on the same level as teams like UVa.

 

[BigDikCane]

isnt Ohio state undefeated?

 

[Miami82]

But what on the defense side of the ball has made you so patient to think it is just a talent/depth issue?

I do think that, up until the Virginia game, the defense was improving, albeit at a lazy, drunken snail's pace.

Further, I have seen improvement from individuals on that side of the ball. Gunther has really come on. Johnson has the makings of an animal. Bush looks very promising. Pierre has shown flashes. Realistically, and without naming names, I think we're just playing too many guys that don't belong on the field.

I do think that certain adjustments could be made to help improve short-term performance (and, therefore results), but I also think the staff is taking a long-term view here, figuring it's better to implement the system they want now, even if it means performance suffers in the short-term.

I would buy this if they weren't still playing the older JAG's right now.

I do see flashes from the younger guys. The bottomline Golden has to shore up some depth on the dline to make any improvement next year.

 

[Miami82]

Just look at our freshmen and sophomores talent compared to the juniors and seniors he was left with. 1 or 2 more recruiting classes of the same caliber players and we will have the depth and talent to compete consistently. The talent is not there, especially on defense when your 3 best players are not playing and there is no depth behind them.

I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

Have you considered that perhaps Golden and his staff know more about coaching football than the Monday morning QB schmucks on this message board????

I'm pretty sure there are some posters on here that would do a better job and use of our talent than the DC.

LOL, I'm pretty sure not.

You may be new to this crew here, but there are some really bright football guys here. They're not "schmucks" as you called them.

 

[sebastian91]

I think that is fair and good. I like his talent evals. I just wish he would make the obvious Monday morning QB adjustments most of us see.

Have you considered that perhaps Golden and his staff know more about coaching football than the Monday morning QB schmucks on this message board????

I'm pretty sure there are some posters on here that would do a better job and use of our talent than the DC.

LOL, I'm pretty sure not.

You may be new to this crew here, but there are some really bright football guys here. They're not "schmucks" as you called them.

Of course. That's why they're trolling around on message boards instead of running the defense at a major university with 5 national championships. Maybe they can send AG their resume and bring 5 or 6 junior and senior DLinemen with them. Then we'd be in business...

 

[Miami82]

Have you considered that perhaps Golden and his staff know more about coaching football than the Monday morning QB schmucks on this message board????

I'm pretty sure there are some posters on here that would do a better job and use of our talent than the DC.

LOL, I'm pretty sure not.

You may be new to this crew here, but there are some really bright football guys here. They're not "schmucks" as you called them.

Of course. That's why they're trolling around on message boards instead of running the defense at a major university with 5 national championships. Maybe they can send AG their resume and bring 5 or 6 junior and senior DLinemen with them. Then we'd be in business...

Since you obviously haven't noticed, not a lot of coaches want this job. You really are new to the Canes.

 

[DiegoCane]

Why in God's name would you bump this thread 82?

And then go on to essentially say that some posters on this message board are more qualified to run the defense then D'Onfrio.

 

[Miami82]

Why in God's name would you bump this thread 82?

And then go on to essentially say that some posters on this message board are more qualified to run the defense then D'Onfrio.

Because the bottomline, everything starts and stops with CEO Golden.

Not to mention this is his choice of scheme as well. Doesn't he deserve some of blame as well?

 

[sebastian91]

I'm pretty sure there are some posters on here that would do a better job and use of our talent than the DC.

LOL, I'm pretty sure not.

You may be new to this crew here, but there are some really bright football guys here. They're not "schmucks" as you called them.

Of course. That's why they're trolling around on message boards instead of running the defense at a major university with 5 national championships. Maybe they can send AG their resume and bring 5 or 6 junior and senior DLinemen with them. Then we'd be in business...

Since you obviously haven't noticed, not a lot of coaches want this job. You really are new to the Canes.

LOL. Now the message board coaching staff doesn't want the Miami job. Hysterical. By the way, born and raised in SoFla, fan since I was a little kid in the late 70s, UM class of 91. Yeah, I'm new to the Canes.

 

[sebastian91]

Why in God's name would you bump this thread 82?

And then go on to essentially say that some posters on this message board are more qualified to run the defense then D'Onfrio.

Because the bottomline, everything starts and stops with CEO Golden.

Not to mention this is his choice of scheme as well. Doesn't he deserve some of blame as well?

Blame for what? The abysmal state of the depth chart he inherited? That he has to play a bunch of physically and mentally immature kids just to field a defense? Enlighten us...please.

 

[Miami82]

Why in God's name would you bump this thread 82?

And then go on to essentially say that some posters on this message board are more qualified to run the defense then D'Onfrio.

Because the bottomline, everything starts and stops with CEO Golden.

Not to mention this is his choice of scheme as well. Doesn't he deserve some of blame as well?

Blame for what? The abysmal state of the depth chart he inherited? That he has to play a bunch of physically and mentally immature kids just to field a defense? Enlighten us...please.

So what is your timeline for Golden?

 

[Miami82]

LOL, I'm pretty sure not.

You may be new to this crew here, but there are some really bright football guys here. They're not "schmucks" as you called them.

Of course. That's why they're trolling around on message boards instead of running the defense at a major university with 5 national championships. Maybe they can send AG their resume and bring 5 or 6 junior and senior DLinemen with them. Then we'd be in business...

Since you obviously haven't noticed, not a lot of coaches want this job. You really are new to the Canes.

LOL. Now the message board coaching staff doesn't want the Miami job. Hysterical. By the way, born and raised in SoFla, fan since I was a little kid in the late 70s, UM class of 91. Yeah, I'm new to the Canes.

You obviously missed that I highlighted what I was talking about. 5 NC's doesn't mean jack when you can't get top notch coaches in here.

There is something very wrong when we go after a top 10 coach and they always turn us down.

Sam isn't the AD anymore.

 

[UMJay]

You may be new to this crew here, but there are some really bright football guys here. They're not "schmucks" as you called them.

Of course. That's why they're trolling around on message boards instead of running the defense at a major university with 5 national championships. Maybe they can send AG their resume and bring 5 or 6 junior and senior DLinemen with them. Then we'd be in business...

Since you obviously haven't noticed, not a lot of coaches want this job. You really are new to the Canes.

LOL. Now the message board coaching staff doesn't want the Miami job. Hysterical. By the way, born and raised in SoFla, fan since I was a little kid in the late 70s, UM class of 91. Yeah, I'm new to the Canes.

You obviously missed that I highlighted what I was talking about. 5 NC's doesn't mean jack when you can't get top notch coaches in here.

There is something very wrong when we go after a top 10 coach and they always turn us down.

Sam isn't the AD anymore.

when have we ever landed a top 10 coach?

 

[bg534]

Of course. That's why they're trolling around on message boards instead of running the defense at a major university with 5 national championships. Maybe they can send AG their resume and bring 5 or 6 junior and senior DLinemen with them. Then we'd be in business...

Since you obviously haven't noticed, not a lot of coaches want this job. You really are new to the Canes.

LOL. Now the message board coaching staff doesn't want the Miami job. Hysterical. By the way, born and raised in SoFla, fan since I was a little kid in the late 70s, UM class of 91. Yeah, I'm new to the Canes.

You obviously missed that I highlighted what I was talking about. 5 NC's doesn't mean jack when you can't get top notch coaches in here.

There is something very wrong when we go after a top 10 coach and they always turn us down.

Sam isn't the AD anymore.

when have we ever landed a top 10 coach?

Howard Schnellenberger