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jerzeycane said:
Kn[]_[]ckles3o5;1281825 said:
Miami was 117 out of 122 teams in rushing attempts this season. That is unacceptable no matter what anyone says, when we have that o-line, Duke, and Mike James we shouldn't be 117. We should at least be in the top 50.

There was a discussion earlier about the more telling defensive statistic. Scoring or Total. I happen to be on the scoring side of the argument so that diminishes the argument I will make right now but, to me it is still a valid point to make.

The points put up by your offense does not tell the whole story about your offensive efficiency and the ability of your team to control the game. I felt like there were a lot of moments during this season where Fisch did a poor job managing the game and calling the offense. I felt like our talent bailed him out a lot of times. We made a lot of explosive plays that didn't necessarily come from great play calling. Anything Duke did, a couple of those long passes against NC State, the two long screens against Duke. I mean the offense was awesome this season but I honestly don't feel like it was because of Fisch I think it was in spite of him.
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wrong and extremely wrong

I went back and looked at the play by plays of the NC State, GT, BC, and Virginia games. You're analysis couldn't be further from the truth. I'll see if I can find the exact post with all of that info
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Jerzey, you're usually on point with your stuff on here, but I'm going to have to go with Knuckles here.

I always liked Fisch alot, but he was mind-blowingly frustrating at times this past season. Part of that was on Morris for missing open receivers. But Fisch deserves some blame for putting the offense in third-and-longs by being cute on first and second down. I suppose it cuts both ways- if he were a 'ground and pound' coach we'd be getting on his back for being predictable and stubborn. But the accolades of 'efficiency' that are being thrown around make him out to be a consistent OC- and last season's offense was anything but consistent.

Still a very good OC.
 
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seriously smh for infinity at anyone slandering fisch in this thread. probably the best way to measure an offense is yards per play, and miami was one of the top schools in the entire country in that stat over the last 2 years.

for the guy harping on rushing attempts, you can't just look at that stat as a raw number and draw anything significant from it. for instance, run attempts are highly correlated with a strong defense. miami didn't have the latter, which is a big reason why it didn't have the former. also, we basically had 2 running backs -- one was a freshman who you don't want to kill in his first year, the other was a good back but someone who barely averaged over 4 yards per carry in his final 2 seasons. don't act like we have a backfield like bama or lsu or georgia.

straight up, last year was up there with 2009 as our best offensive season since right at the tail end of our dominance (02-03) and he did it with raw talent that is far off from what we had back in those days or even in 2009. some of y'all seriously have no idea what's going on.
 
as for bob stitt, i bet that guy's turned down a dozen opportunities to be an offensive coordinator over the past 10 years. there's no way in **** he's an option for us.
 
COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

PASS RUN TEAM/YEAR
36.5% 63.5% Bama 2012
41% 59% Bama 2011
31% 69% Auburn 2010
36.5 % 63.5% Bama 2009
38% 62% UF 2008
42% 58% LSU 2007
42.5% 57.5% UF 2006
36% 64% Texas 2005
46.5% 53.5% USC 2004

Let me acknowledge a couple caveats, most of these teams had great defenses that may have allowed them to be more conservative and some of these teams had running QBs that skewed the numbers. I was excited to see if Fisch calmed down a little bit this year if the D stepped up. I was calling for his head in 2011 but, this year most of the time there wasn't much to argue with save some questionable calls in games we looked to be physically dominant in. Golden himself said after the season that they opened the offense up a lot more because of the suspect D. I'm not psyched that we have to bring in a new OC on such short notice and I'm not sure if we can find someone that will do better than Fisch would have this year.

I tried to go back and look at the []_[] teams ratios but it required a lot more math and it's late and I'm gettin the numbers crossed all up.

In all honesty we threw the ball around more in the 80s and 90s than I thought. Most of my memories were the more run oriented dominance of the 2000s which had a ratio like 53.5% run over the three years. Regardless, this year we threw it about 55% of the time but, we probably should have been around 50/50 IMO. It doesn't seem like a big deal but it could have made a difference in Ws and helped our defense. I also feel like James needed/deserved way more carries than he got. Him and Duke should have gotten like 40 more carries IMO, most of them for James.

Don't discount the impact run blocking has on a d-line either. Lettin those big'uns rumble instead of droppin back in PP wears down the opponents d-line. Lettin James and Hagens drop shoulders on the LBs helps Duke too.

All I know is a lot this year I just wanted Fisch to hand it off and he called a pass or worse a trick play and it stalled our drives. I'm a big proponent of run it til they stop it, smash mouth football and we barely ever pounded on a team even when we were capable of it.

Bottomline: No throw it all over team has been able to win in a while, OU in 2000, and I think we need to run it more if we want to compete in today's game
 
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Kn[]_[]ckles3o5;1281825 said:
Miami was 117 out of 122 teams in rushing attempts this season. That is unacceptable no matter what anyone says, when we have that o-line, Duke, and Mike James we shouldn't be 117. We should at least be in the top 50.

There was a discussion earlier about the more telling defensive statistic. Scoring or Total. I happen to be on the scoring side of the argument so that diminishes the argument I will make right now but, to me it is still a valid point to make.

The points put up by your offense does not tell the whole story about your offensive efficiency and the ability of your team to control the game. I felt like there were a lot of moments during this season where Fisch did a poor job managing the game and calling the offense. I felt like our talent bailed him out a lot of times. We made a lot of explosive plays that didn't necessarily come from great play calling. Anything Duke did, a couple of those long passes against NC State, the two long screens against Duke. I mean the offense was awesome this season but I honestly don't feel like it was because of Fisch I think it was in spite of him.
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You have a breakdown of our offense the previous year?

Reason I ask is that it seemed the plan going into the season was to score at will because our defense was going to be a dumpster fire. Not saying Fisch shouldn't or couldn't have run more but I don't think criticizing him is entirely fair by just saying he passed too much (though there were obviously times he did)
 
Loved Fisch as a QB coach and thought he was just above average as a OC. Dorsey would be a great QB coach and i would take my chances on him as a OC, he was one of the smartest players ever to play at Miami. He just plain knows football and is a hard worker who always hates to lose.
 
Canes239 said:
gffhg.webp
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So that's where Augustus Gloop wound up? He might look like hoppity hop with a head, but that dude can corch his gunt off.
 
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dolpterry said:
Loved Fisch as a QB coach and thought he was just above average as a OC. Dorsey would be a great QB coach and i would take my chances on him as a OC, he was one of the smartest players ever to play at Miami. He just plain knows football and is a hard worker who always hates to lose.
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I strongly disagree. Miami, is not the place for an OC take their first crack at calling plays especially when the coach has not coached in an official capacity above the high school level.

I love Dorsey and would be excited if he makes it back to Miami eventually, but we just can't take a chance on someone with his current experience right now.
 
Shogungts said:
dolpterry said:
Loved Fisch as a QB coach and thought he was just above average as a OC. Dorsey would be a great QB coach and i would take my chances on him as a OC, he was one of the smartest players ever to play at Miami. He just plain knows football and is a hard worker who always hates to lose.
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I strongly disagree. Miami, is not the place for an OC take their first crack at calling plays especially when the coach has not coached in an official capacity above the high school level.

I love Dorsey and would be excited if he makes it back to Miami eventually, but we just can't take a chance on someone with his current experience right now.
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Smart man. This holds true when the guy has no one to learn from on staff too.
 
I would say there is a near zero chance the next OC does not come with experience as an OC. If we are going to the NFL, it's probably going to be someone who has called plays. Golden will be able to get a very good OC. If by chance he does go to the NFL for a QB coach without OC experience, look for a guy like Joe Lombardi. Don't rule out going to FCS for a guy like Rob Ambrose.
 
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Consigliere said:
bg534 said:
I wouldn't want Norv Turner if the dude came for free. I remember him being a terrible OC everywhere he went, and he was somehow consistently overrated despite mediocre results.
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The stuff you read here is amazing.
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TurnNo0.htm


I can't find a place where his stats are easily pasteable for the purposes of this forum, but if you look at his years as an offensive coordinator, outside of his early Dallas years, he has been consistently in the middle of the pack.

Offenses, for the most part, seemed to thrive more with him as the head coach than as the offensive coordinator, despite the team's lousy record. Dude is pretty consistently mediocre outside of his years under Jimmy in Dallas, which are the source of him being overrated.
 
AzureCane said:
Awsi Dooger said:
I'd try for Ed Warriner, although I doubt we could pry him from Ohio State.

Mangino has been mentioned but Warriner was largely responsible for Kansas' success during that time frame. I think Mangino would concede as much. It was a fantastic hire by Urban Meyer last year. As soon as I saw that name in rather obscure fashion among the coaches Meyer had hired, it was more verification that some guys simply know what they are doing.

With Warriner you certainly wouldn't have to worry about being tough enough. He's a rugged offensive line specialist. Lack of toughness was always my concern with Fisch, that he was putting together a nice cute finesse offense that could terrorize vulnerable defenses but simply not run oriented or physical enough to deal with premier opponents.
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Warriner would be a great hire, but I cant see him taking the same position here with a paycut
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It's not the same position. That's partially why I mentioned Warriner. Tom Herman is the Buckeyes offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. Warriner is offensive line coach and he's listed as co-offensive coordinator but from what I understand Herman is in charge and Warriner's salary is not commensurate with a big time offensive coordinator. Warriner is stuck behind a younger guy. However, Warriner has roots in Ohio and the midwest in general. It certainly wouldn't be easy to get him here.
 
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