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Nick Saban, a known cheater like his friend Bill Belichick, wants to limit player compensation

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DMoney said:
No they don't. Baseball doesn't. Soccer doesn't.

And there can be a cap for revenue sharing, although Saban and his cronies want a 20/80 split (those sports are 50/50). But that's not even why the judge thought the settlement was a sham. It's the cap on outside NIL.

To your last point, NIL endorsements have contracts, too.
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Baseball has a luxury tax. It has allowed perennial underacheivers like the Marlins under Loria and now under this new ownership group, to have been quite profitable because of it.

In any case, college sports are not the same as professional sports. Collegiate sports get tax breaks for being non-profit, charitable organizations. It will all come to a head sooner or later. Either collegiate Division I football officially professionalizes and branches off as the official minor leagues of the NFL OR restrictions are put in place for NIL and other sources of player income and colleges can continue to operate under the facade as a non-profit.
 
Brains said:
I would argue the question is simply moot:

They're professionals. It's a closed issue.
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Then why attach themselves to a school?

I'm ok with them being pros. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm ok with it. However, if we're gonna do it like that, why not form a minor football system separate of NCAA? ****, keep all the same team names just lose the affiliation with the universities. It's not like these guys are (or ever really were) going to college for an education.
 
colperm said:
I don’t think Saban and Belichick are even in the same galaxy in terms of cheating.

The funny thing is, most uneducated fans have no idea that Saban cheated. While most educated fans realize that what Belichick did was really overblown.
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Everyone outside of Tuscaloosa knows Saban cheated like ****.
 
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404Usernamenotfound said:
I’m sorry but what a ridiculous argument. No professional player is limited on what they can make OUTSIDE OF THEIR LEAGUE. If a millionaire wants to pay a bencher on the dolphins $500 million there’s nothing the nfl can do about it.

Nil is technically outside the league.

Any limitations on what you can make for yourself is unconstitutional and un-American.

Further, as a Miami Hurricane fan, wanting a limitation will only hurt our team since, as the past 2 decades have shown, other teams will skirt the rules with impunity and the Hurricanes can not.
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Exactly. I think some people don't understand the difference between revenue-sharing and NIL.

In leagues like the NFL and the NBA, they split the revenue 50/50 with owners and players (it's closer to 48/52 in NFL). The players and owners collectively bargain for rules, which may include cap circumvention (so Stephen Ross can't pay Tua $10 million outside the cap to babysit his kids).

Here, the settlement had a revenue-sharing cap- 22% to the players, 78% to the schools and their bloated administrations. The judge didn't even address that inequity. Her issue is that the NCAA tried to create a limitation on NIL-- money that doesn't even come from the school -- which is illegal and would get shredded in court.
 
The real question is are college athletes (namely football players) really getting paid for their name, image, and likeness? LMAO! I haven’t seen many instances where a player has benefited strictly from their name, image, and likeness. They get paid on their value as a player and if you think otherwise, your an ostrich.
 
DMoney said:
They are getting pushed out and their NIL money disappears. The difference in the system we have now is that the player has the option of staying, not playing, and getting an education. Which is a good thing to my eyes.
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There is absolutely nothing good about this, & the only reason y u’re stating this is b/c Miami has benefited “somewhat” from this.

Our roster has been in influx since 2019 w/ no cohesion. So yeah, we’ve been able to buy a player for a season or two, w/ what results? Meanwhile, u have a school like Texas that’s buying up the whole **** CFB world. Oregon is buying up every 5 star walking planet earth.

I don’t want that ****; u want CFB to be ran like California, & I’m saying California is a total **** show b/c of lack of parameters. EVERY infrastructure needs structure. I do not want college athletics to lose what made college athletics different than professional athletics. Ppl still care about college.

So yes, there needs to be parameters around both NIL & The Transfer Portal, & I really wish u would stop looking at things from an Orange & Green lens vs. the betterment & health of the entire sport. Under the table bags should’ve always been regulated w/ extreme prejudice, just like removing the ability of a student athlete to make $$ off their NIL should’ve never been imposed. There’s a happy medium, but I feel both sides r way too right & way too left.

Again, I’m all for NIL. If Pepsi wanna pay player A $2m for 5 yrs to star in their commercial, so be it. If Adidas wanna pay player B $1.5m to rock their products, so be it. If Mercedes want player C to advertise their car on campus, so be it. If The University shares $$ from jersey sales to player D, so be. But if the Collectives from University wanna pay E to play at their favorite school, or steal player E from their current school, that’s bull **** & not the intent of NIL.
 
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Brains said:
I would argue the question is simply moot:

They're professionals. It's a closed issue.
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But they r not. They still get

Free room, board, & education. They r still required certain GPA’s & units to be taken. That’s the problem. One minute they wanna be treated like college students & the next like adults. Trust me; I’m around it all the time.
 
DMoney said:
I agree with that- Alabama was not the reason we sucked. But it's frustrating when we go on probation for giving $500 to bad players on a bad team while Alabama is spending tens of thousands to steal recruits from our backyard.
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Miami's cowardice in handling the Shapiro sanctions played into it. Unmatched self-imposed bans before a ruling even came. NCAA capitalized on weak leadership. My opinion.
 
Rellyrell said:
But if the Collectives from University wanna pay E to play at their favorite school, or steal player E from their current school, that’s bull **** & not the intent of NIL.
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What is the "intent of NIL?" People keep saying that but I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean.

Nobody created an NIL program and handed it down from the heavens. Collectives surfaced because courts held the NCAA was illegally limiting athlete compensation. The judge in the House settlement laughed at the idea that "pay for play" is currently against the rules. Who's "intent" are we addressing?

The reason Saban is going to Congress is because he wants the NCAA to be exempt from antitrust rules- a "safe harbor."
 
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404Usernamenotfound said:
I’m sorry but what a ridiculous argument. No professional player is limited on what they can make OUTSIDE OF THEIR LEAGUE. If a millionaire wants to pay a bencher on the dolphins $500 million there’s nothing the nfl can do about it.

Nil is technically outside the league.

Any limitations on what you can make for yourself is unconstitutional and un-American.

Further, as a Miami Hurricane fan, wanting a limitation will only hurt our team since, as the past 2 decades have shown, other teams will skirt the rules with impunity and the Hurricanes can not.
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U just contradicted urself.

Thank u for making my entire point. NIL is OUTSIDE OF THE LEAGUE IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. CFB NIL is not outside of the league, which is y u’re using the term “technically.” It’s not technically anything; the way the current set up of NIL are boosters r paying money on behalf of the school for players to attend. Thats not a technicality. So again, NIL is supposed to be completely unrelated to whatever school u attend. It is NOT PAY FOR PLAY. That’s a totally different discussion. Pay for play is what u sign at the NFL level called a contract.

Like let’s stop trying to use semantics & call it what it is. I’m fine w pay for play, but now let’s turn CFB into a semi pro league, fr. Remove the student part & make them full professionals, b/c that’s what u want.
 
DMoney said:
What is the "intent of NIL?" People keep saying that but I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean.

Nobody created an NIL program. The Supreme Court ruled that NIL restrictions are illegal. The NCAA has been getting smoked in court since then. The judge in the House settlement laughed at the idea that "pay for play" is currently against the rules. Who's "intent" are we addressing?

The reason Saban is going to Congress is because he wants the NCAA to be exempt from antitrust rules- a "safe harbor."
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It’s actually in the language & I posted the actual verbiage on this site. Do u even remember what or why Ed O’Bannon was suing, or has it been lost?
 
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Rellyrell said:
It’s actually in the language & I posted the actual verbiage on this site. Do u even remember what or why Ed O’Bannon was suing, or has it been lost?
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If NIL is so limited, why can't the NCAA win in court? Everybody- including the judge who just rejected the House settlement - knows that we are currently in the midst of pay for play.

So again, who's "intent" are we talking about here?
 
I ask myself why this guy even cares. He definitely quit because he lost his cheating advantage. Perhaps he misses coaching and he is angling his way back in but he wants NIL curbed first so he can regain his advantage. Either way, dude just go fish or golf or something. I wish some former Bama players would unload on this hypocrisy and let everyone know exactly what was going on at Bama.
 
edge said:
I ask myself why this guy even cares. He definitely quit because he lost his cheating advantage. Perhaps he misses coaching and he is angling his way back in but he wants NIL curbed first so he can regain his advantage. Either way, dude just go fish or golf or something. I wish some former Bama players would unload on this hypocrisy and let everyone know exactly what was going on at Bama.
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He is paying back favors for his longtime partner in crime, the NCAA.
 
DMoney said:
If NIL is so limited, why can't the NCAA win in court? Everybody- including the judge who just rejected the House settlement - knows that we are currently in the midst of pay for play.

So again, who's "intent" are we talking about here?
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U do realize that judge was from California, correct? Not sure if that’s the best example when we literally have judges dismissing DUI fatalities b/c the person was sorry, just to do the **** all over again 2 yrs later.
 
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