Nick Saban, a known cheater like his friend Bill Belichick, wants to limit player compensation

[Garnacho]

This is an organized lobbying effort backed by the NCAA and SEC admins and boosters.

 

[Trav]

Saban was orchestrating all kinds of payola at Michigan St and LSU as well. He "flipped" a boatload of LA kids who were Miami committs at the last minute during the early Coker years. I do give him credit for teaching Mario how to run a program top down but he really is a hypocritical clown when it comes to his NIL stance.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

The biggest issue for me is who would govern this. NCAA? **** that.

EXTREMELY valid point. The NCAA needs to go the way of the old USSR - buh-bye. There needs to be some sort of council with all the schools fairly represented to oversee it. How/who? No idea.

 

[DMoney]

That's the point you decided to pick on?

Here are some squads who've won during that time:

Yale, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Stanford, Minnesota, TCU, Pitt, Army, Maryland, Michigan State, UCLA, Iowa, Ole Miss, Arkansas, BYU and the rest are pretty much blue bloods.

I get that you used 100 years as a hyperbolic euphemish, but c'mon.

None of those teams have won since the Persian Gulf War.

College football has never been about parity. It's the only sport where teams win 55-0 every year. The schools with the best resources dominate because you don't have to draft players. As Saban himself said, there is no rule that says you can only recruit one first round pick every year.

 

[DMoney]

I hear that. Thankfully, those days are gone. To be fair, I do think Miami's weakness at the top enabled some of the unfair treatment.

I agree with that- Alabama was not the reason we sucked. But it's frustrating when we go on probation for giving $500 to bad players on a bad team while Alabama is spending tens of thousands to steal recruits from our backyard.

 

[Rellyrell]

They already are. I want them to be paid like professionals, and protected like professionals.

OK, so here’s what happens in the professional world:

-You pay ur own way
-If you get cut, you’re only protected for the upfront, guarantee $
-You don’t have a guaranteed roster spot
-Any off field incident can lead to a void of contract

So in other words:

Universities need to stop supplying free education b/c that’s not happening in the professional world

Players should be able to get cut w/ zero repercussions

Players need to sign a dotted line for contractual obligations

This blurred line of NIL needs to stop being pushed. NIL was never intended to be what we’re seeing, period. The purpose of NIL was to not prohibit a student from being able to profit off their name image or likeness in the commercial world which included lost monies from video games, commercial appearances, apparel sales, memorabilia sales that went only to the University, Apparel Companies, Auctioneers, and/or Electronic Companies.

That was the whole point; the pay for play language was touched upon but not fully executed. My problem w/ the sensationalism is everything has been short sighted, to the point that it’s eroding college athletics, & it’s a want my cake & ice cream too. The same ones that r screaming let NIL remain in its current format are the same ones saying but these are kids and student athletes. One minute u want them to be professionals & the next get the same treatment as a student. You can’t have it both ways,

So if u want CFB to be a minor league football program ala UFL, then let’s go all the way. Let’s separate CFB from College, place a commissioner over all non NCAA participant programs, get a salary cap, get rid of scholarships and bring on contracts, reduce the number of players on a roster, & start treating them like paid professionals. I’m sick of the half stepping; either they’re student athletes that should be able to commercialize off their names or they are professional athletes that will be contracted.

 

[DMoney]

OK, so here’s what happens in the professional world:

-You pay ur own way
-If you get cut, you’re only protected for the upfront, guarantee $
-You don’t have a guaranteed roster spot
-Any off field incident can lead to a void of contract

So in other words:

Universities need to stop supplying free education b/c that’s not happening in the professional world

Players should be able to get cut w/ zero repercussions

Players need to sign a dotted line for contractual obligations

This blurred line of NIL needs to stop being pushed. NIL was never intended to what we’re seeing, period the purpose of NIL was to not prohibit a student from being able to profit off their name image or likeness in the commercial world which included lost monies from video games, commercial appearances, apparel sales, memorabilia sales that went only to the University, Apparel Companies, Auctioneers, and/or Electronic Companies.

That was the whole point; the pay for play language was touched upon but not fully executed. My problem w/ the sensationalism is everything has been short sighted, to the point that it’s eroding college athletics, & it’s a want my cake & ice cream too. The same ones that r screaming let NIL remain in its current format are the same ones saying but these are kids and student athletes. One minute u want them to be professionals & the next get the same treatment as a student. You can’t have it both ways,

So if u want CFB to be a minor league football program ala UFL, then let’s go all the way. Let’s separate CFB from College, place a commissioner over all non NCAA participant programs, get a salary cap, get rid of scholarships and get contracts, reduce the number of players on a roster, & start treating them like paid professionals. I’m sick of the half stepping; either they’re student athletes that should be able to commercialize off their names or they are professional athletes that will be contracted.

You don't think players are getting cut now?

And I don't know why you keep saying players need to sign contracts for NIL money. They already do. Every Canes Connection athlete has a legal, professional contract.

 

[mcnaire2004]

Alabama got caught multiple times before Saban. The difference is the chancellor of the NCAA was Saban's friend who hired him at LSU. He covered up his pervasive cheating for a decade.

Oh yeah, they were coming off probation when he took over.

Alabama wasn't "doing what everyone else was doing." It was an open secret in the industry that they were paying players the most.

You are complaining he cheated but it sounds like you are upset he cheated better than his competition doing the same thing.

We were on CNN for giving players who were already on our team free Benihanas dinner.

Seems very selective here. Was Randy Shannon involved with Pell grants or dinner? Shapiro paying players for hotdog eating competition?

Saban was a failure with the Dolphins. He went 6-10 and quit. Two years later, we won 11. When that coach went 6-10 three years later, he was fired. Just like Saban would have been without the privilege of systemic cheating.

Hey, I didn't say he was actually good. Just that fans (and owner) were begging him to stay because he was "building." When he left everyone suddenly (out of butt-hurt for how he left) hated him.

I'm not "whining" about Saban and Belichick. They're gone. I'm challenging the myth. Belichick was 84-103 without Brady. All of his QBs did better without him. When Brady left, he immediately won a title for a franchise that hadn't made the playoffs in 12 years. Saban failed at Miami, quit, paid players for years and then quit when everybody else was allowed to pay players. Now he's whining about players getting paid too much.

He (and Bill) have a lot of ring fingers.



I assume you don't want a cap on players getting paid because you feel that we can pay the most. Fine by me. I don't care if the poorzies think it isn't fair. **** em. I'm mostly with you.

 

[colperm]

I’m tired of glorifying cheaters.

Saban got exposed when he went to the pros and couldn’t cheat to buy the best players. When NIL leveled the playing field in college, he quit and cried.

His friend Belichick got caught cheating because he didn’t have the same relationship with the NFL that Saban had with Emmert, the NCAA president. Emmert hired Saban when he was chancellor of LSU.

If we’re keeping Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens out of the HOF, these two cheaters deserve worse.

I don’t think Saban and Belichick are even in the same galaxy in terms of cheating.

The funny thing is, most uneducated fans have no idea that Saban cheated. While most educated fans realize that what Belichick did was really overblown.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

None of those teams have won since the Persian Gulf War.

College football has never been about parity. It's the only sport where teams win 55-0 every year. The schools with the best resources dominate because you don't have to draft players. As Saban himself said, there is no rule that says you can only recruit one first round pick every year.

I got that. I'm also older than you. There's a difference between parity and a seizure of power for a select few that certainly has escalated over the past 15-20 years. The crumbling of the Pac 12 (I remember when it was the Pac 8) shows more than anything the concentration of power of the B!G and the $EC. Back when I was a kid, we didn't have a playoff. We had New Years Day bowl games. They were terrific because there would be anywhere from 4 to 6 really great matchups. The top players didn't opt out. The national champion crowning was usually an argument and oftentimes a popularity contest.

It's not parity that I'm looking for so much as a lack of power concentration amongst a select few who are hoarding TV revenues. Look at the top 10 right now. 9/10 are $EC or B!G. That's my point.
Now get off my lawn. I need to leave for my colonoscopy and a shot of tren.

 

[404Usernamenotfound]

Dilldough or not, he's not entirely wrong. Yes he's a cheat. Yes he's a POS. Yes, F him. and yes, there needs to be some sort of limitations/regulations/ovesight placed on NIL. The coach compensation discussion is another topic that ought to be addressed as well, but those issues - and there are many - are separate of NIL compensation. Yes I can see how they're sort of related, but I also see that they're different.

Example: Jim Harbaugh. His "penalty" from the NCAA is not a joke. It's an insult to anyone with an IQ over 80. He cheated at Michigan (and probably Stanford and anywhere else for that matter), won a natty, got paid a mountain of cash along the way, then slipped out the escape hatch as the NCAA loomed, signing a five year contract with the Chargers. What does the NCAA do? Punish Michigan and give Harbaugh a four year ban from coaching in college. WTF is that? ****, even Gerald Ford's let the nation heal pardon of Nixon was better than this. (Don't take this political, please).

All of this said, how does it relate to NIL? It doesn't. Two separate issues. Now, does it make Harbaugh (or Saban) a doosh bag hypocrite? **** yes it does. What's the real soution? Some sort of limit/cap for D1 schools across the board and a separate solution for coaches like Harbaugh and Saban that cheat so that the coach is punished, not the school they left after the fact. My thought would be massive cash penalties. In the case of Harbaugh, a $4M fine or something like that. I'm not a lawyer, so I'll stop here as I'm sure I've provided enough fuel for the lawyers and wanna be lawyers in the group.

Carry on.

F Saban.

Why does there need to be any regulations or oversight on nil?

 

[Rellyrell]

You don't think players are getting cut now?

Players are seeking the transfer portal the moment they are not starting. And no, they are not getting cut even if they are encouraged to go elsewhere. Unless a player is in complete violation of school by laws that terminates the condition of their scholarship, they are not getting cut. They may be told this may not be the best situation for u, or they may be told u might want to look at a program here or there, but to tell a kid “hey, we’re cutting u, u’re no longer on the team” is not happening like a NFL training camp.

 

[DMoney]

Players are seeking the transfer portal the moment they are not starting. And no, they are not getting cut even if they are encouraged to go elsewhere. Unless a player is in complete violation of school by laws that terminates the condition of their scholarship, they are not getting cut. They may be told this may not be the best situation for u, or they may be told u might want to look at a program here or there, but to tell a kid “hey, we’re cutting u, u’re no longer on the team” is not happening like a NFL training camp.

They are getting pushed out and their NIL money disappears. The difference in the system we have now is that the player has the option of staying, not playing, and getting an education. Which is a good thing to my eyes.

 

[The canesman]

OK, so here’s what happens in the professional world:

-You pay ur own way
-If you get cut, you’re only protected for the upfront, guarantee $
-You don’t have a guaranteed roster spot
-Any off field incident can lead to a void of contract

So in other words:

Universities need to stop supplying free education b/c that’s not happening in the professional world

Players should be able to get cut w/ zero repercussions

Players need to sign a dotted line for contractual obligations

This blurred line of NIL needs to stop being pushed. NIL was never intended to be what we’re seeing, period. The purpose of NIL was to not prohibit a student from being able to profit off their name image or likeness in the commercial world which included lost monies from video games, commercial appearances, apparel sales, memorabilia sales that went only to the University, Apparel Companies, Auctioneers, and/or Electronic Companies.

That was the whole point; the pay for play language was touched upon but not fully executed. My problem w/ the sensationalism is everything has been short sighted, to the point that it’s eroding college athletics, & it’s a want my cake & ice cream too. The same ones that r screaming let NIL remain in its current format are the same ones saying but these are kids and student athletes. One minute u want them to be professionals & the next get the same treatment as a student. You can’t have it both ways,

So if u want CFB to be a minor league football program ala UFL, then let’s go all the way. Let’s separate CFB from College, place a commissioner over all non NCAA participant programs, get a salary cap, get rid of scholarships and bring on contracts, reduce the number of players on a roster, & start treating them like paid professionals. I’m sick of the half stepping; either they’re student athletes that should be able to commercialize off their names or they are professional athletes that will be contracted.

Perfectly stated. My ecxact feelings on the matter. It was never meant to just buy players.

 

[nycane]

I’m tired of glorifying cheaters.

Saban got exposed when he went to the pros and couldn’t cheat to buy the best players. When NIL leveled the playing field in college, he quit and cried.

His friend Belichick got caught cheating because he didn’t have the same relationship with the NFL that Saban had with Emmert, the NCAA president. Emmert hired Saban when he was chancellor of LSU.

If we’re keeping Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens out of the HOF, these two cheaters deserve worse.

ESPN was in on It too. they only cared about bama/sec and lebron.

Look at Saban's record at LSU, yeah he had a natty but he wasn't dominating.
then he goes to NFL, gets ran out of town and overnight becomes the greatest recruiter anyone has ever seen?

 

[DMoney]

I got that. I'm also older than you. There's a difference between parity and a seizure of power for a select few that certainly has escalated over the past 15-20 years.

But that predates NIL.

If anything, NIL and the Portal has increased parity because more teams are able to speed up the rebuild (see Ole Miss, Tennessee, Miami). It takes a lot longer to catch up to an Alabama under the old rules. I'm sure that's a big reason why Saban left.

 

[Brains]

OK, here’s an honest ? all bull **** aside, do we want college athletes as professionals or amateurs? (& yes, this is a loaded ?)

I would argue the question is simply moot:

They're professionals. It's a closed issue.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Players are seeking the transfer portal the moment they are not starting. And no, they are not getting cut even if they are encouraged to go elsewhere. Unless a player is in complete violation of school by laws that terminates the condition of their scholarship, they are not getting cut. They may be told this may not be the best situation for u, or they may be told u might want to look at a program here or there, but to tell a kid “hey, we’re cutting u, u’re no longer on the team” is not happening like a NFL training camp.

I don't think that's entirely true. My understanding of scholarships (which may be a little outdated, but the knowledge I have is first hand), is that they are a one year renewable scholarship for up to five years. The school has the right to not reup for almost any reason. Again, this may have changed over the last 15 years, but this is exactly how it was when a family member received a scholarship to play football.

 

[404Usernamenotfound]

No they don't. Baseball doesn't. Soccer doesn't.

And there can be a cap for revenue sharing, although Saban and his cronies want a 20/80 split (those sports are 50/50). But that's not even why the judge thought the settlement was a sham. It's the cap on outside NIL.

To your last point, NIL endorsements have contracts, too.

I said baseball doesn’t, & Futbol is a totally different story.

So do u want college athletes to be treated as professionals?

I’m sorry but what a ridiculous argument. No professional player is limited on what they can make OUTSIDE OF THEIR LEAGUE. If a millionaire wants to pay a bencher on the dolphins $500 million there’s nothing the nfl can do about it.

Nil is technically outside the league.

Any limitations on what you can make for yourself is unconstitutional and un-American.

Further, as a Miami Hurricane fan, wanting a limitation will only hurt our team since, as the past 2 decades have shown, other teams will skirt the rules with impunity and the Hurricanes can not.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

But that predates NIL.

If anything, NIL and the Portal has increased parity because more teams are able to speed up the rebuild (see Ole Miss, Tennessee, Miami). It takes a lot longer to catch up to an Alabama under the old rules. I'm sure that's a big reason why Saban left.

Saban sucks - I'm not debating that at all. Saban left because he didn't have the advantages anymore.
I feel like we (you and I) are looking at each other through a crystal ball. In time, we will find out what the truth is.