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Nick Saban, a known cheater like his friend Bill Belichick, wants to limit player compensation

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mcnaire2004 said:
He didn't do anything anyone else wasn't doing. Didn't we get on probation twice for schemes to pay players? Is this anger because we were caught?
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Alabama got caught multiple times before Saban. The difference is the chancellor of the NCAA was Saban's friend who hired him at LSU. He covered up his pervasive cheating for a decade.

Alabama wasn't "doing what everyone else was doing." It was an open secret in the industry that they were paying players the most. We were on CNN for giving players who were already on our team free Benihanas dinner.

mcnaire2004 said:
The Dolphins and the fans basically begged him to stay. Any animosity there is an expression of butt-hurt because he left.
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Saban was a failure with the Dolphins. He went 6-10 and quit. Two years later, we won 11. When that coach went 6-10 three years later, he was fired. Just like Saban would have been without the privilege of systemic cheating.

I'm not "whining" about Saban and Belichick. They're gone. I'm challenging the myth. Belichick was 84-103 without Brady. All of his QBs did better without him. When Brady left, he immediately won a title for a franchise that hadn't made the playoffs in 12 years. Saban failed at Miami, quit, paid players for years and then quit when everybody else was allowed to pay players. Now he's whining about players getting paid too much.
 
Rellyrell said:
B/c every single PROFESSIONAL sport has a salary cap (sans baseball) & a contract. Even in the professional world of NIL, player endorsements have contracts.
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No they don't. Baseball doesn't. Soccer doesn't.

And there can be a cap for revenue sharing, although Saban and his cronies want a 20/80 split (those sports are 50/50). But that's not even why the judge thought the settlement was a sham. It's the cap on outside NIL.

To your last point, NIL endorsements have contracts, too.
 
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DMoney said:
Why?
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@DMoney Because I don't believe the size of cash reserves should be the deciding factor in which schools succeed in CFB. I feel as though there's a major shift in the power dynamic of CFB and I don't like the idea of a select few schools being the only ones capable of competing. I think it will lead to a few Harlem Globetrotter teams playing a ton of Washington Generals teams. I personally don't want to see more Miami vs FAMU games and I believe if there's not some sort of regulations/guidelines put in place, schools like Indiana, Arizona State, Northwestern, Michigan State, Oregon State, VaTech, Purdue, Syracuse, and the like will end up in the Generals pile. It's impossible to know this at the current time as we don't have crystal balls.

Yes I see there's nuance in this topic that I'm glazing over - things like "it's already that way" or "always has been that way." While true, now that there aren't the secret handshakes with money in the palms, do we really want schools like Texas corralling all the top recruits with lassos made of money? I think that stinks. I don't think we necessarily need 130 FCS schools, but I do think that we should have 60+ schools that can all compete at a high level. I fear that if it stays unregulated, we will be left with Texas, Ohio State (eew), Notre Lame, Michigan, USC, Nike University, and the $EC as the only teams with tv contracts and money to afford these guys. And yes, this is all my opinion, so feel free to disagree.
 
DMoney said:
He’s going to Congress because they will never win in Court.
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Can a limit even be implemented considering SCOTUS ruled 9-0 they couldn't? I think it'd have to be collectively negotiated with a college players' union, which is where I think it is inevitably headed.
 
DMoney said:
No they don't. Baseball doesn't. Soccer doesn't.

And there can be a cap for revenue sharing, although Saban and his cronies want a 20/80 split (those sports are 50/50). But that's not even why the judge thought the settlement was a sham. It's the cap on outside NIL.
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I said baseball doesn’t, & Futbol is a totally different story.

So do u want college athletes to be treated as professionals?
 
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DMoney said:
No they don't. Baseball doesn't. Soccer doesn't.

And there can be a cap for revenue sharing, although Saban and his cronies want a 20/80 split (those sports are 50/50). But that's not even why the judge thought the settlement was a sham. It's the cap on outside NIL.

To your last point, NIL endorsements have contracts, too.
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Is soccer really a sport though? Those dudes teach flopping to LeBron.
 
Few things:
  • Nick Saban is a cheater/winner
  • Bill Belichick is a cheater/winner
  • Canes were also cheater/winners
  • None of the above bother me
  • NIL prob needs some minor tweaking
  • College coaching caps sounds great
  • Spending 40k vs 400k is good business
 
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mcnaire2004 said:
He didn't do anything anyone else wasn't doing. Didn't we get on probation twice for schemes to pay players? Is this anger because we were caught?

The Dolphins and the fans basically begged him to stay. Any animosity there is an expression of butt-hurt because he left.

Leveled the playing field? Bama was a dumpsterfire when he took over. He dominated so much that the field tilted in his favor. The rich get richer. How the world works. You're hating on him for being successful. Aren't we Miami? Why are we whining all the time?

Yeah you hate on Bill all the time too calling him a cheater.

Most of your stuff may be good. But you always whining about Bill or Nick makes me think of players talking trash and then huddling by a heater on the sideline while getting curb stumped by a historically inferior opponent.

The opposite of TUFF and FYZICAL is whining.
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Were you born in 2004? I ask because it would allow me to forgive you for your incredible ignorance.

Lol at "Bama doing what everyone else was doing".

You really can't make this up.
 
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BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Dilldough or not, he's not entirely wrong. Yes he's a cheat. Yes he's a POS. Yes, F him. and yes, there needs to be some sort of limitations/regulations/ovesight placed on NIL. The coach compensation discussion is another topic that ought to be addressed as well, but those issues - and there are many - are separate of NIL compensation. Yes I can see how they're sort of related, but I also see that they're different.

Example: Jim Harbaugh. His "penalty" from the NCAA is not a joke. It's an insult to anyone with an IQ over 80. He cheated at Michigan (and probably Stanford and anywhere else for that matter), won a natty, got paid a mountain of cash along the way, then slipped out the escape hatch as the NCAA loomed, signing a five year contract with the Chargers. What does the NCAA do? Punish Michigan and give Harbaugh a four year ban from coaching in college. WTF is that? ****, even Gerald Ford's let the nation heal pardon of Nixon was better than this. (Don't take this political, please).

All of this said, how does it relate to NIL? It doesn't. Two separate issues. Now, does it make Harbaugh (or Saban) a doosh bag hypocrite? **** yes it does. What's the real soution? Some sort of limit/cap for D1 schools across the board and a separate solution for coaches like Harbaugh and Saban that cheat so that the coach is punished, not the school they left after the fact. My thought would be massive cash penalties. In the case of Harbaugh, a $4M fine or something like that. I'm not a lawyer, so I'll stop here as I'm sure I've provided enough fuel for the lawyers and wanna be lawyers in the group.

Carry on.

F Saban.
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The biggest issue for me is who would govern this. NCAA? **** that.
 
DMoney said:
Well then you've been watching the wrong sport for the past 100 years.
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That's the point you decided to pick on?

Here are some squads who've won during that time:

Yale, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Stanford, Minnesota, TCU, Pitt, Army, Maryland, Michigan State, UCLA, Iowa, Ole Miss, Arkansas, BYU and the rest are pretty much blue bloods.

I get that you used 100 years as a hyperbolic euphemish, but c'mon.
 
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