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Nick Saban, a known cheater like his friend Bill Belichick, wants to limit player compensation

BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Then why attach themselves to a school?

I'm ok with them being pros. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm ok with it. However, if we're gonna do it like that, why not form a minor football system separate of NCAA? ****, keep all the same team names just lose the affiliation with the universities. It's not like these guys are (or ever really were) going to college for an education.
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I don't really know, and I'm indifferent regardless. I want whatever's best for Miami.
 
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this "good ol days" thing bugs the **** outta me
you mean the days before nil when players got into clubs for free and some free steak dinners while ncaa and its cronies got ******* rich as ****....those days?
saban and the ncaa are part of the PROBLEM here - NOT the solution
this is a just a last desperate attempt to continue the cash grab
wish some of y'all could see this
 
mcnaire2004 said:
I was under the impression they changed the rules so that a player can still have a scholarship to an institution if he's "cut" from the team.
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That's not a rule change. The decision as to whether anyone is on scholarship ultimately rests with the school. The school decides whether a player who is booted from an athletic team remains on a scholarship at the institution.
 
Rellyrell said:
U just contradicted urself.

Thank u for making my entire point. NIL is OUTSIDE OF THE LEAGUE IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. CFB NIL is not outside of the league, which is y u’re using the term “technically.” It’s not technically anything; the way the current set up of NIL are boosters r paying money on behalf of the school for players to attend. Thats not a technicality. So again, NIL is supposed to be completely unrelated to whatever school u attend. It is NOT PAY FOR PLAY. That’s a totally different discussion. Pay for play is what u sign at the NFL level called a contract.

Like let’s stop trying to use semantics & call it what it is. I’m fine w pay for play, but now let’s turn CFB into a semi pro league, fr. Remove the student part & make them full professionals, b/c that’s what u want.
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Excellent point. If the NIL's were truly sponsorships not connected to the school, why don't those agreements continue on when players transfer from one school to another? If Tua has a sponsorship with Nike and gets traded to say the Seahawks, does his contract with Nike come to an end?
 
bdcane4eva said:
this "good ol days" thing bugs the **** outta me
you mean the days before nil when players got into clubs for free and some free steak dinners while ncaa and its cronies got ******* rich as ****....those days?
saban and the ncaa are part of the PROBLEM here - NOT the solution
this is a just a last desperate attempt to continue the cash grab
wish some of y'all could see this
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Saban is so disingenuous that it's wild to me that people can't see through the obvious: he was coaching at an institution that was highly protected by the old system. His program could offer massive bags and get away with it, while others couldn't. Now, Baga can offer tons of legal NIL as well, but so can everyone else (if they can come up with the means).

He's a snake.
 
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caneULM said:
This is why he quit because the playing field was leveling out. His buddy Mark Emmert couldn't look the other way anymore once the NIL era started.
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This is actually true, he didn't want his "legacy" to be tarnished. Best coach ever my ***.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Excellent point. If the NIL's were truly sponsorships not connected to the school, why don't those agreements continue on when players transfer from one school to another? If Tua has a sponsorship with Nike and gets traded to say the Seahawks, does his contract with Nike come to an end?
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Nobody doubts they're connected to the football program in some way. After all, the collectives are named after the teams.

But the money doesn't come from the school. It has nothing to do with the revenue from TV contracts, tickets or school donations. It's a third party.

The key is the distinction between revenue-sharing and collectives. In the NFL, the teams make hundreds of millions from TV deals, tickets and the like. They split the revenue with the players. The players, through a union, collectively bargain for the split (which is reflected in a salary cap) and rules to avoid circumventing the cap.

None of that is present here. Let's talk about the House Settlement, which is what Saban wants Congress to codify as law:

- The revenue split is not 50/50 or even 48/52. The players only get 22%. The rest goes to bloated athletic departments.

- There is no collective bargaining and nobody truly representing the players. The terms are negotiated by plaintiff's lawyers, and those terms would bind players currently in Pop Warner.

- NIL money, which boosters are currently willing to pay, would be subject to approval by an NCAA clearinghouse (or a third-party hired by the NCAA). They would be tasked with determining "market value" (whatever that means) and would have the power to reject deals as pay-for-play. The NCAA would grow its enforcement arm which, as we know from our own experience, is hopelessly corrupt and incompetent.

- The end result is that the players get less money because they are cut off from a major money source (boosters), given a paltry 22% share of revenue, and forced to fund every other sport with no corresponding benefit to them.

This is the reality of what Saban is pushing. The judge rejected the House settlement because the NIL restrictions made no sense. Rather than craft something legal, they are going to ask Congress for an antitrust law exemption that allows the NCAA to enforce their illegal rules with impunity.
 
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So hang on.... We've sucked for 20+ years, mostly because we can't pay players under the table like Alabama does. The system changes, and now Miami is rolling. We have Cam Ward. We have Damien Martinez. We have Tyler Baron. All because of NIL.

And some of y'all want to complain about that????

Man **** all that stupid **** about amateurism and whatever. The NIL system is working for Miami, period. It's helping Miami get back, period.

Every Miami fan should be thanking god in heaven that the landscape changed the way it did, because we're benefitting big time because of it.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Just be thankful and shut the **** up.
 
D$ is a capitalist. He believes in a free market economy and wants players to be paid according to their relative worth. D$ is an American.

Saban is an oligarch who wants the government to cap labor costs at the expense of a free market, but doesn't want the same for the managerial class (coaches). Saban belongs in Russia.

Belichick would have lasted through the end of the 2001 season if Bledsoe didn't get hurt and open the door for Brady. Belichick will never catch the GOAT Don Shula and nothing makes me happier.
 
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L A M P said:
Few things:
  • Nick Saban is a cheater/winner
  • Bill Belichick is a cheater/winner
  • Canes were also cheater/winners
  • None of the above bother me
  • NIL prob needs some minor tweaking
  • College coaching caps sounds great
  • Spending 40k vs 400k is good business
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NIL needs no tweaking IMO. It's an open market and should be. Like any other entertainer.

If anything needs tweaking it is probably the transfer portal.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
I was under the impression they changed the rules so that a player can still have a scholarship to an institution if he's "cut" from the team.
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You might be right. My understanding is that once you sign, you're essentially good to go unless you really F up. I think what you're talking about is essentially where the existing coach helps a player find a new school where he's a better fit. It's almost like when Mario didn't fire Gattis; he just let Gattis look for a job while Mario used coachspeak to not answer questions about him. As for scholly kids, if they get hurt, they generally keep the scholly and get their degree. Again, my family member played 15 years ago, so the rules may have changed a bit, but this has been my basic understanding.
 
Brooklyndee said:
100% this is how you know the dudes that were throwing bags under the table. Cause they all know they still got that advantage over everyone else if nil is capped. To be clear I think it needs some regulating as well. But it's not just that simple.
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This right here!
Any cap would hand the advantage back to the teams throwing bags under the table! Not sure why anyone here would want that!
 
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bdcane4eva said:
this "good ol days" thing bugs the **** outta me
you mean the days before nil when players got into clubs for free and some free steak dinners while ncaa and its cronies got ******* rich as ****....those days?
saban and the ncaa are part of the PROBLEM here - NOT the solution
this is a just a last desperate attempt to continue the cash grab
wish some of y'all could see this
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The good ole days for them is when the schools and coaches made millions on top of millions, and all they had to do was slide the players an envelope with a couple hundred dollars in it every now and then. Naw eff that!!! Let the players eat!!!
 
Brains said:
I don't really know, and I'm indifferent regardless. I want whatever's best for Miami.
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I'm slightly less than indifferent only becuase I hold deep pride for my alumnihood. It's funny. I've interviewed more times than I can count and literally every single time University of Miami is mentioned in an interview, the conversation ALWAYS turns to football. Back to the point at hand, if they're gonna take it in the direction of full fledged professional sport, disengage from the school and simply be a football team. Basically **** or get off the pot....or for my Latin pals, Caga o no sienta en el retrete.
 
My two cents is the NIL will correct itself through collectives/schools determining the relative value THEY want to pay for position groups/players etc. I don't think that needs to be dictated whatsoever by Congress or the NCAA because they have proven time and time again they will always get it wrong.

The flip side of things and related to NIL issues is the transfer portal being a revolving door. I know the NCAA just reinforced the no cap on transfers rule, but that's a big issue here when it comes to the side of NIL that the traditional or casual fan gets turned off by.

I personally would like to have a free 1 time transfer for players that they can exercise whenever they choose. Additional transfer are qualifiable due to specific circumstances that meet the criteria.

Right now it is free agency and that's just the way it is. I don't have a dog in the fight on that part really cuz we have been able to consistently evaluate our talent on a rolling basis and add/delete as we needed. And EVERY member institution has that ability as well so it's not like someone has an advantage over the other.

I get the traditional argument about people being turned off that guys just jump around now and are constantly being offered money to jump in the portal. Not sure how it looks in 5-10 years.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Excellent point. If the NIL's were truly sponsorships not connected to the school, why don't those agreements continue on when players transfer from one school to another? If Tua has a sponsorship with Nike and gets traded to say the Seahawks, does his contract with Nike come to an end?
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Depends on the length of the contract doesn't it?

No one really knows how these collective contracts are worded from a time basis. Are they month to month? 1 year? week to week?
 
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