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NCAA investigation, go ahead, ask me...

canesman said:
Looks like Nevin's sneaky attorney worked a deal where she would actually get paid for her time by the NCAA if she would ask for information the NCAA would not have otherwise gotten because they have no subpoeona power. Early on I thought to myself "how is this chick getting paid with Nevin broke?" I guess we have the answer.

For example. Lets say the NCAA asked to speak with Antrel Rolle and Antrell said "**** off". However, when he is subpeoned to testify and bring documents to a deposition involving the bankruptcy case, you bet your *** he is showing up with everything and answering all questions. It looks like the NCAA lawyers were ghost writing deposition outlines and subpoenas duces tecum for these depositions in exchange for paying her hourly rate that Nevin could not afford.

Wow.....The NCAA can't follow their own rules and they expect the schools to do so themselves? This is really bad for them!
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This.
 
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How long will it take before Ms. Perez gets a "personal and confidential" letter and suspended form the practice of law?
 
I don't think Shapiro's lawyer did anything wrong. The rules that were broken by the investigators were the NCAA rules. If anything, she is the smartest person in the room for getting the NCAA to pay for her time at those depositions. How was Nevin going to pay for it. I would laugh my *** off if her bills are for more than $100 per hour because that idiot isn't worth $75. How great would it be if she charged the NCAA $500 per hour?

Our thanks should go out to her for being creative!
 
canesman said:
I don't think Shapiro's lawyer did anything wrong. The rules that were broken by the investigators were the NCAA rules. If anything, she is the smartest person in the room for getting the NCAA to pay for her time at those depositions.
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She is going to be getting a few phone calls and knocks on her office door from canes fans I would imagine. What a weasel c*nt, and she is an alum too.
 
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canesman said:
I don't think Shapiro's lawyer did anything wrong. The rules that were broken by the investigators were the NCAA rules. If anything, she is the smartest person in the room for getting the NCAA to pay for her time at those depositions. How was Nevin going to pay for it. I would laugh my *** off if her bills are for more than $100 per hour because that idiot isn't worth $75. How great would it be if she charged the NCAA $500 per hour?

Our thanks should go out to her for being creative!
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I disagree.

If Ms. Perez used her subpoena power to call depositions immaterial to her bankruptcy case for the sole purpose of gaining profit - that is a clear ethical violation (and maybe even a misdemeanor for abuse of process). At a minimum, she would have had to disclose the purpose of the deposition to some extent. If the deponent showed up thinking they were answering questions about bankruptcy proceedings when, in fact, it was a ploy to illicit information from individuals who refused to speak to the NCAA, that would be a clear ethical violation. An attorney can't subpoena a deponent with the heading or caption of a filed action when in fact the attorney is subversively trying to illicit information on an unrelated matter while being paid to do it.

I believe Ms. Perez may have a little explaining to do.
 
Since we're talking about professor Massey, I've got a quick Masseyism I will never forget:

"The lawyer that represents himself has an idiot for a client."

I really enjoyed my time with her.
 
01rodric said:
Dapper, what does this new information mean now?

We Skate?
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Quick bit before I get back to work:

Obviously, today's news was good news for UM. I am still concerned about the timeline, irrespective of what Emmert said today. While he is a sophisticated guy who has dealt with lawyers before, lawyers who are billing by the hour generally don't abide clients' timelines. People who don't deal with lawyers are often shocked by how long things take (and how much they cost...). On the other hand, having outside lawyers review the evidence is probably good for UM as well - I am sure they will be thorough, since they will get paid for all their time.

The duration of the investigation, the reliance on information from the bankruptcy proceeding (even the public records, which would be fine for the NCAA to do), along with the "silence will be construed as guilt" letter, had me believing that NCAA enforcement was exasperated by their inability to obtain information anywhere near as bad for UM as the information set out in yahoo's article. I guess they were more exasperated than I thought.

I'm almost believing at this point that Enforcement did not corroborate many of Shapiro's claims. Maybe only a small fraction of the evidence was obtained in a manner that makes it inadmissible, but, if they don't have too much to go on anyway, it could still be crippling to the NCAA's case.

Lastly, if enforcement purposely delayed its investigation in order to gain information from bankruptcy proceedings that had yet to occur, I would hope UM call the NCAA out on that, as it could be a mitigating factor for UM.

I still expect a hearing to occur, and I still expect a Public Infractions Report to be issued.

Maybe Nevin's lawyer is as great a troll as DBC, and purposely set Enforcement up, while pocketing their money... That would be right up there with Kaiser Soze, given what she has appeared to be up to now.
 
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I was in one of Massey's last classes. What a ******' beast. 4 martinis deep and 109 years old and ripping on people.
 
Canesfan1899 said:
01rodric said:
Dapper, what does this new information mean really mean now?

We Skate?
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What does it mean for the coaches implicated as well? Seems like they could sue the NCAA for wrongful prosecution.
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If the coaches were untruthful to NCAA Enforcement (which has been reported), and Enforcement can prove it with evidence they properly obtained, then that's a best case scenario for UM. Coaches get punished severely for lying, and it would have nothing to do with UM. I have no idea what Enforcement has uncovered about any coaches as far as violations, and I have no idea how they found that information (assuming any exists).
 
Dapper,

My mind is racing.

Would Pee Wee's deposition have even taken place if not for the NCAA's involvement?

If not....the NCAA is done. Any information they received as a result of the deposition or if it led them to other sources would be thrown out.
 
canesman said:
I don't think Shapiro's lawyer did anything wrong. The rules that were broken by the investigators were the NCAA rules. If anything, she is the smartest person in the room for getting the NCAA to pay for her time at those depositions. How was Nevin going to pay for it. I would laugh my *** off if her bills are for more than $100 per hour because that idiot isn't worth $75. How great would it be if she charged the NCAA $500 per hour?

Our thanks should go out to her for being creative!
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I wouldn't pay that btich minimum wage.
 
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Dapper, NCAA has known about their eff up for awhile, IMO. Do you think Miami threw their trump card at them and force the NCAA's hand?
 
canesman said:
Dapper,

My mind is racing.

Would Pee Wee's deposition have even taken place if not for the NCAA's involvement?

If not....the NCAA is done. Any information they received as a result of the deposition or if it led them to other sources would be thrown out.
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Discovery in a civil proceeding is very, very broad. If there is any relevancy, it is discoverable, even if the evidence is later inadmissible.
 
DapperSlapper said:
01rodric said:
Dapper, what does this new information mean now?

We Skate?
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Quick bit before I get back to work:

Obviously, today's news was good news for UM. I am still concerned about the timeline, irrespective of what Emmert said today. While he is a sophisticated guy who has dealt with lawyers before, lawyers who are billing by the hour generally don't abide clients' timelines. People who don't deal with lawyers are often shocked by how long things take (and how much they cost...). On the other hand, having outside lawyers review the evidence is probably good for UM as well - I am sure they will be thorough, since they will get paid for all their time.

The duration of the investigation, the reliance on information from the bankruptcy proceeding (even the public records, which would be fine for the NCAA to do), along with the "silence will be construed as guilt" letter, had me believing that NCAA enforcement was exasperated by their inability to obtain information anywhere near as bad for UM as the information set out in yahoo's article. I guess they were more exasperated than I thought.

I'm almost believing at this point that Enforcement did not corroborate many of Shapiro's claims. Maybe only a small fraction of the evidence was obtained in a manner that makes it inadmissible, but, if they don't have too much to go on anyway, it could still be crippling to the NCAA's case.

Lastly, if enforcement purposely delayed its investigation in order to gain information from bankruptcy proceedings that had yet to occur, I would hope UM call the NCAA out on that, as it could be a mitigating factor for UM.

I still expect a hearing to occur, and I still expect a Public Infractions Report to be issued.

Maybe Nevin's lawyer is as great a troll as DBC, and purposely set Enforcement up, while pocketing their money... That would be right up there with Kaiser Soze, given what she has appeared to be up to now.
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Tim Reynolds made a good point on Sedano's show....what if the NCAA was about to send out the NOA and UM dropped this on them. Would be a **** of a strategic move. Get the NCAA backtracking right as they are about to send the NOA. Also, this is getting embarassing. The NCAA is going to want to get this in their rearview ASAP.
 
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I'm a lawyer......I realize that.

But it seems to me like the NCAA agreed to pay Shapiro's atty if she would make sure the deposition happened. Why would this guys deposition matter in a billion dollar ponzi scheme case?

Pee Wee would not talk to them until the subpeona came and then he sung like a canary.
 
DapperSlapper said:
01rodric said:
Dapper, what does this new information mean now?

We Skate?
Click to expand...

Quick bit before I get back to work:

Obviously, today's news was good news for UM. I am still concerned about the timeline, irrespective of what Emmert said today. While he is a sophisticated guy who has dealt with lawyers before, lawyers who are billing by the hour generally don't abide clients' timelines. People who don't deal with lawyers are often shocked by how long things take (and how much they cost...). On the other hand, having outside lawyers review the evidence is probably good for UM as well - I am sure they will be thorough, since they will get paid for all their time.

The duration of the investigation, the reliance on information from the bankruptcy proceeding (even the public records, which would be fine for the NCAA to do), along with the "silence will be construed as guilt" letter, had me believing that NCAA enforcement was exasperated by their inability to obtain information anywhere near as bad for UM as the information set out in yahoo's article. I guess they were more exasperated than I thought.

I'm almost believing at this point that Enforcement did not corroborate many of Shapiro's claims. Maybe only a small fraction of the evidence was obtained in a manner that makes it inadmissible, but, if they don't have too much to go on anyway, it could still be crippling to the NCAA's case.

Lastly, if enforcement purposely delayed its investigation in order to gain information from bankruptcy proceedings that had yet to occur, I would hope UM call the NCAA out on that, as it could be a mitigating factor for UM.

I still expect a hearing to occur, and I still expect a Public Infractions Report to be issued.

Maybe Nevin's lawyer is as great a troll as DBC, and purposely set Enforcement up, while pocketing their money... That would be right up there with Kaiser Soze, given what she has appeared to be up to now.
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Let me summarize this for you. Lawyers are crooks!

When you pass the bar it means you are barred from telling the truth. End of story...
 
canesman said:
Dapper,

My mind is racing.

Would Pee Wee's deposition have even taken place if not for the NCAA's involvement?

If not....the NCAA is done. Any information they received as a result of the deposition or if it led them to other sources would be thrown out.
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In theory, it could have. PeeWee was a gofer for Shapiro, and frequently took fairly large quantities of cash to pay people. Whoever wanted to know where the money went would have had a potential interest in asking him about money he delivered. I didn't follow the bankruptcy that closely (and I know next to nothing about bankruptcy - and would like to keep it that way), so I don't know if it would have happened in practice. From what I remember of his deposition, there were questions asked relative to those cash delivery instances, but it evolved into Shapiro's lawyer's asking him questions about money given to UM players...which elicited almost no worthwhile information from PeeWee.
 
As a lawyer, I find this set of circumstances to be beyond troubling. Bottom line, NCAA used Perez to obtain information and serve as their representative/investigator which is outside their own set of procedures and guidelines. This is "dirty pool" which Emmert clearly understands, and will no doubt result in the case against UM ending. I think we get slap on wrist and Haith and Hurtt will skate with minor reprimands. Bottom line, the investigator has to be beyond reproach and here that picture is very clouded
 
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