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LuCane said:
Sick to my stomach. If anyone watched those last two games closely and thought we weren't capable of easily being 2-0, I don't know what to say. This is the first game since Golden's last season where I refuse to chart the defensive plays. Barely wanna talk about the plays that happened.

I only have one wish:

Please stop talking so much **** and exerting so much energy on hype and marketing before anything is proven. Program was in the gutter and needed a boost? I get it. You can still fall short of crossing the line into nonsense.

Just change the order of things now. There's still a chance to be a program of substance. We sure as **** have more talent than anyone else on our schedule. However, the superficial approach is NOT what JJ and the older teams did; I don't care how many times it's referenced and misunderstood. Those teams killed, and then danced.

You have a high standard? Great. Everyone is gonna be held to it? Awesome. Is there a need to talk about it and other details so much before it bears any fruit? Because when the details are missing from special teams, switching out one of the two vulnerable Tackles a game late, 2/5ths of the game to get going, or a 4th and 17 (the world's most predictable late DB boundary blitz), it looks ridiculous, ya'll.

Empty shell of a program until we understand that hype and bull**** come after the proof on the field. It's not a big ask. Most of us are still gonna be out there for every game, so we shall see.
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Well said Lu. I’ve been watching my Canes faithfully since I was a just a kid in 80s. And after the worst 15 years of cane football that I’ve ever seen, bear in mind I was born in 1980 so I don’t know any of the truly dark times before that but with that said I can’t do it anymore. Watching the games on TV and In person has become a truly horrible experience and ruins my Saturday and Sunday. What we as fans have put up with over the last 15 years would bring any fan to there knees and I’m over it. It’s just wash and repeat at this point as Diaz is no different then golden or Richt as we all know where the dead weight is on this staff and we all know that Diaz isn’t firing his entourage of flunkies. So what’s the point anymore, just like Richt wouldn’t fire his son and hire an OC and golden wouldn’t fire NoD and hire a real DC. So from this point on I will only watch or go to games if it’s a ACC title game, NY6 bowl or playoffs. That will show me that UM values it’s fans and winning and deserves our eyes, money and heart and soul we fans put into this **** product. But until then I’m done. I’ll still check the scores online and read the blogs but I’m taking the emotional attachment out because it’s Become like being in a bad relationship when eventually someone has to let go to keep their sanity.
 
100% agree. Put the jewelry away until you’ve clinched the Coastal (if that’s even possible).

Another thing that makes me sick is players posting their highlights within 10 minutes of a loss.
 
The difference between 2-0 and 0-2 is a combined 7 points..if you were expecting a Natty year 1, I’m sorry..as a fan of CFB I’m tired of this narrative in our fan base “we should expect to win against X,Y, and Z”..it’s a sense of entitlement that always leads to the Sunday meltdowns of CIS. I’m convinced many In our fanbase do not follow CFB..we do not “out talent” ppl on our schedule..maybe in the skill department, but definitely not across the board. This team Will get better. This team will learn how to finish games. This is not “be patient” post. But fellas, just sit back and let **** happen..once again if you were EXPECTING to run the table to ACC championship game you were naive. But I’ll say this, we are closer to a 10/9 win team(which I expected) then the gloom and doom 6,7,or 8 win team some of y’all now expect..it’s not on coaching tho. It’s about how fast this team will grow up. This team needs another crop of leaders to start showing potential. Carter, Hall, Ford, Garvin mainly had huge voids to fill this year. It’s time for them to step up. What I see is not a coaching lapse. But players who just haven’t found their way yet. 7 points separate a top 20 team and a 0-2 team. If I’m manny that’s my message to this squad. Take accountability of it..now what are you gonna do to turn it around starting sat. Its not about the opponent. It’s about the University of Miami
 
We been dancin and mean-muggin for over a decade now before getting gaped - it is just who we are, it is the DNA of the brand, we aren't a football program, we are the ornate storeroom window with nothing in the stockroom, Manny is just the latest ringmaster.

Good post.
 
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305to954 said:
The difference between 2-0 and 0-2 is a combined 7 points..if you were expecting a Natty year 1, I’m sorry..as a fan of CFB I’m tired of this narrative in our fan base “we should expect to win against X,Y, and Z”..it’s a sense of entitlement that always leads to the Sunday meltdowns of CIS. I’m convinced many In our fanbase do not follow CFB..we do not “out talent” ppl on our schedule..maybe in the skill department, but definitely not across the board. This team Will get better. This team will learn how to finish games. This is not “be patient” post. But fellas, just sit back and let **** happen..once again if you were EXPECTING to run the table to ACC championship game you were naive. But I’ll say this, we are closer to a 10/9 win team(which I expected) then the gloom and doom 6,7,or 8 win team some of y’all now expect..it’s not on coaching tho. It’s about how fast this team will grow up. This team needs another crop of leaders to start showing potential. Carter, Hall, Ford, Garvin mainly had huge voids to fill this year. It’s time for them to step up. What I see is not a coaching lapse. But players who just haven’t found their way yet. 7 points separate a top 20 team and a 0-2 team. If I’m manny that’s my message to this squad. Take accountability of it..now what are you gonna do to turn it around starting sat. Its not about the opponent. It’s about the University of Miami
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So the coach gets hired and goes on and on about the Miami standard and you want the fans to expect losses to inferior programs when said coach starts 0-2. That's laughable. Miami should never change expectations. We should expect to beat a UNC team that went 2-10 the year before. A team we beat by 30+ with a worse offense just one year ago. Saturday night was a bad loss, period.
 
LuCane said:
Last year, I was told Frierson doesn't like the physical aspect as much as they wanted him to, but who knows if that's true.

I know our Safeties struggled in this game worse than UF and looked almost hesitant.
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I know you liked Hall a lot coming in. So did I - thought he was one of the hardest hitters I remembered seeing at the HS level. Seemed fearless.

He is playing slow and timid. Always a step behind. Never looking to get involved in group tackles.

I saw him get aggressive on a few safety blitzes, but he never got home.

Crossing my fingers that Bolden brings the skill set I think he will. If so, it’ll allow us to shuffle other guys around in the secondary and maybe find some combination that works.
 
LuCane said:
Sick to my stomach. If anyone watched those last two games closely and thought we weren't capable of easily being 2-0, I don't know what to say. This is the first game since Golden's last season where I refuse to chart the defensive plays. Barely wanna talk about the plays that happened.

I only have one wish:

Please stop talking so much **** and exerting so much energy on hype and marketing before anything is proven. Program was in the gutter and needed a boost? I get it. You can still fall short of crossing the line into nonsense.

Just change the order of things now. There's still a chance to be a program of substance. We sure as **** have more talent than anyone else on our schedule. However, the superficial approach is NOT what JJ and the older teams did; I don't care how many times it's referenced and misunderstood. Those teams killed, and then danced.

You have a high standard? Great. Everyone is gonna be held to it? Awesome. Is there a need to talk about it and other details so much before it bears any fruit? Because when the details are missing from special teams, switching out one of the two vulnerable Tackles a game late, 2/5ths of the game to get going, or a 4th and 17 (the world's most predictable late DB boundary blitz), it looks ridiculous, ya'll.

Empty shell of a program until we understand that hype and bull**** come after the proof on the field. It's not a big ask. Most of us are still gonna be out there for every game, so we shall see.
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Lu, why cant this team get off to a fast start. I mean, offense come out put up a couple td's and defense get a couple three and outs. Create a cushion for the offense to be balanced and opposing offense into predictable passing downs for the defense to t off. I do not think the team is good enough to win tight games or come from behind.
 
moshated305 said:
So the coach gets hired and goes on and on about the Miami standard and you want the fans to expect losses to inferior programs when said coach starts 0-2. That's laughable. Miami should never change expectations. We should expect to beat a UNC team that went 2-10 the year before. A team we beat by 30+ with a worse offense just one year ago.
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This is my point..we haven’t been that program since 01/02..this whole we out talent narrative needs to stop..stop setting y’all selves up for that..when manny talks about the “Miami standard” it’s a about a culture. Putting in work and showing up on sat..the standards in that building should be championship or bust..but If you as fan see a THIS iteration of Miami and thought oh we was just gonna run the table..your setting yourself up..but these gloom and doom post are premature..if we had gotten the doors blown off in both games I could understand..
 
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datcaneguy said:
Lu, why cant this team get off to a fast start. I mean, offense come out put up a couple td's and defense get a couple three and outs. Create a cushion for the offense to be balanced and opposing offense into predictable passing downs for the defense to t off. I do not think the team is good enough to win tight games or come from behind.
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It's prep. Bottom line. And, that's what this post is about. I find it incredibly odd that a coaching staff so prepared and detailed in their communications brought a slow-starting team to UNC with two weeks off before the game. That **** just doesn't align.
 
Coaching decisions, such as not starting Clark at Guard over Campbell at RT against Florida, the same slow starts on offense even after a bye week, and also just being out coached in both games are the main reasons we are 0-2 which is what worries me the most. Manny has gotten schooled by Head Coaches he’s worked under before like he is their son. I hope he turns it around but ****.
 
scrantoncane said:
I know you liked Hall a lot coming in. So did I - thought he was one of the hardest hitters I remembered seeing at the HS level. Seemed fearless.

He is playing slow and timid. Always a step behind. Never looking to get involved in group tackles.

I saw him get aggressive on a few safety blitzes, but he never got home.

Crossing my fingers that Bolden brings the skill set I think he will. If so, it’ll allow us to shuffle other guys around in the secondary and maybe find some combination that works.
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He played slower this game than the last, where it was more of a mixed bag. He's visibly pausing to not misstep. He's way better than he showed and I'm sticking with him. Still early for him in this defense. I was worried about a DT disruptor stepping up and our Safeties early in the season. Said that all offseason and got told we'd have a dominant D. It's not easy playing Safety in this defense. But, Hall has the tools to do it. We'll see.
 
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jthomps123 said:
Eh... unfortunately its part of his job. To boost $'s and boost image to prospective recruits. He knows how to play that game, when he puts it together on the field it will be a deadly combination.
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Like I said, there's a fine line. He's gotta bring those details to the field, as you said. ****, just bring the details to the Special Teams unit. We'll get some juice from that.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
Wasn’t OP hyping us up in the off season too? Funny it’s ok if he does it but gets mad at manny for doing it.

You’re mad a young team let a couple slip away and your answer is to complain about the marketing? What else r they suppose to do? Answer that one.
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you have a point.
 
LuCane said:
It's prep. Bottom line. And, that's what this post is about. I find it incredibly odd that a coaching staff so prepared and detailed in their communications brought a slow-starting team to UNC with two weeks off before the game. That **** just doesn't align.
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maybe...just maybe...the myth of "Miami has better athletes but keeps losing" is better stated, ""Miami has roughly the same athletes as most other programs they face..."

add in recruiting fails...not right fit coaching...bad luck (that makes ITSELF)...

and you get the last 15 years or so.
 
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LuCane said:
Sick to my stomach. If anyone watched those last two games closely and thought we weren't capable of easily being 2-0, I don't know what to say. This is the first game since Golden's last season where I refuse to chart the defensive plays. Barely wanna talk about the plays that happened.

I only have one wish:

Please stop talking so much **** and exerting so much energy on hype and marketing before anything is proven. Program was in the gutter and needed a boost? I get it. You can still fall short of crossing the line into nonsense.

Just change the order of things now. There's still a chance to be a program of substance. We sure as **** have more talent than anyone else on our schedule. However, the superficial approach is NOT what JJ and the older teams did; I don't care how many times it's referenced and misunderstood. Those teams killed, and then danced.

You have a high standard? Great. Everyone is gonna be held to it? Awesome. Is there a need to talk about it and other details so much before it bears any fruit? Because when the details are missing from special teams, switching out one of the two vulnerable Tackles a game late, 2/5ths of the game to get going, or a 4th and 17 (the world's most predictable late DB boundary blitz), it looks ridiculous, ya'll.

Empty shell of a program until we understand that hype and bull**** come after the proof on the field. It's not a big ask. Most of us are still gonna be out there for every game, so we shall see.
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The difference nowadays is due to social media where you can fake your own lifestyle via Instagram and people will believe it and it will even get you paid.
 
305to954 said:
The difference between 2-0 and 0-2 is a combined 7 points..if you were expecting a Natty year 1, I’m sorry..as a fan of CFB I’m tired of this narrative in our fan base “we should expect to win against X,Y, and Z”..it’s a sense of entitlement that always leads to the Sunday meltdowns of CIS. I’m convinced many In our fanbase do not follow CFB..we do not “out talent” ppl on our schedule..maybe in the skill department, but definitely not across the board. This team Will get better. This team will learn how to finish games. This is not “be patient” post. But fellas, just sit back and let **** happen..once again if you were EXPECTING to run the table to ACC championship game you were naive. But I’ll say this, we are closer to a 10/9 win team(which I expected) then the gloom and doom 6,7,or 8 win team some of y’all now expect..it’s not on coaching tho. It’s about how fast this team will grow up. This team needs another crop of leaders to start showing potential. Carter, Hall, Ford, Garvin mainly had huge voids to fill this year. It’s time for them to step up. What I see is not a coaching lapse. But players who just haven’t found their way yet. 7 points separate a top 20 team and a 0-2 team. If I’m manny that’s my message to this squad. Take accountability of it..now what are you gonna do to turn it around starting sat. Its not about the opponent. It’s about the University of Miami
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Don't totally agree but kudos. I consider this one of your best posts ever....
 
LuCane said:
Sick to my stomach. If anyone watched those last two games closely and thought we weren't capable of easily being 2-0, I don't know what to say. This is the first game since Golden's last season where I refuse to chart the defensive plays. Barely wanna talk about the plays that happened.

I only have one wish:

Please stop talking so much **** and exerting so much energy on hype and marketing before anything is proven. Program was in the gutter and needed a boost? I get it. You can still fall short of crossing the line into nonsense.

Just change the order of things now. There's still a chance to be a program of substance. We sure as **** have more talent than anyone else on our schedule. However, the superficial approach is NOT what JJ and the older teams did; I don't care how many times it's referenced and misunderstood. Those teams killed, and then danced.

You have a high standard? Great. Everyone is gonna be held to it? Awesome. Is there a need to talk about it and other details so much before it bears any fruit? Because when the details are missing from special teams, switching out one of the two vulnerable Tackles a game late, 2/5ths of the game to get going, or a 4th and 17 (the world's most predictable late DB boundary blitz), it looks ridiculous, ya'll.

Empty shell of a program until we understand that hype and bull**** come after the proof on the field. It's not a big ask. Most of us are still gonna be out there for every game, so we shall see.
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305to954 said:
This is my point..we haven’t been that program since 01/02..this whole we out talent narrative needs to stop..stop setting y’all selves up for that..when manny talks about the “Miami standard” it’s a about a culture. Putting in work and showing up on sat..the standards in that building should be championship or bust..but If you as fan see a THIS iteration of Miami and thought oh we was just gonna run the table..your setting yourself up..but these gloom and doom post are premature..if we had gotten the doors blown off in both games I could understand..
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It'll stop when it's not true. If you don't like facts (like players who make it to the NFL), compare rosters. I understand your tendency to try to be a contrarian. By all means. It makes for good discussions sometimes.

In this case, you're once again partly talking about something separate from the point of the thread: we need more substance in relation to the hype and marketing. And, there's a grey area there. We need some hype and morale. I think we're out of balance right now.

If we were 1-1 right now, I'd better see your point. We dropped a horrendous game in UNC with two weeks to prepare for them. No moral victory will make that right. That's not doom and gloom. It's disappointment. Now we move forward.
 
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