My Final Thoughts

[CaneSuger]

What sanctions? Name them.

Golden is also working with sanctions from when your buddy was in charge. Troll

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

 

[kmwcane]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green. To be fair, the way the ball bounced here, I can't imagine the staff feeling anything less than certain he was coming up until that guy announced for Arkansas, but, we're in a results business.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far (and we really needed one) and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

I agree with all of this, and I'm amused that you can criticize the staff without getting your head bit off, whereas I do it and end up with 11 negs.

You are correct here.

The difference is that Larry made well reasoned statements that highlighted both the positives and negatives regarding those situations..

 

[CaneSuger]

to say that we should have just taken south florida guys over our out of state guys is just stupid. So no out of state guys can ever measure up to any recruit that comes out of South Florida? give me a break...QUOTE]

Not one person has said that.

 

[kmwcane]

What sanctions? Name them.

Golden is also working with sanctions from when your buddy was in charge. Troll

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

Semantics. The threat of sanctions and you knew what he meant.

 

[CaneSuger]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green. To be fair, the way the ball bounced here, I can't imagine the staff feeling anything less than certain he was coming up until that guy announced for Arkansas, but, we're in a results business.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far (and we really needed one) and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

I agree with all of this, and I'm amused that you can criticize the staff without getting your head bit off, whereas I do it and end up with 11 negs.

You are correct here.

The difference is that Larry made well reasoned statements that highlighted both the positives and negatives regarding those situations..

I don't care anyway. I'm just going to say what I think.

 

[canesg75]

Hey, you want to be popular on this site, just keep blowing smoke up everyone's *** and telling them how great things are going to be.

Me, I give exactly zero ****s about what people think of me. I say what I believe. This class was mediocre. People who try to whitewash it are stupid. Stupid people make other people around them stupider.

Quit being a dumbass.

Me being a dumbass? I could care less about being popular with people.... Point is in your mind if everyone doesn't have more stars next to their name then they suck.... Is that not your argument? Because greg bryant had more pub and more stars than edwards that makes him automatically better? You want to know the truth? You nor I know who the f*** is going to turn into an all pro and who is going to bust... That simple... Your judging a class before it has even had one game let alone one practice... f***ing ignorance... Your already labeling these kids failures before they have even had a shot to proof themselves...

The truth is you're looking for a silver lining that isn't there. Al Golden would probably take Bryant over Edwards if he could. The thing is, he gambled with Collins, and he lost. Bryant's ship had sailed, and Golden took the best back that was available.

****, we could have been in it for Derrick Green, the #1 back in the country, but Golden canceled a visit with him to put all his eggs in the failed Collins basket.

That's a fail, no matter how you look at it.

Again you are avoiding all the questions everyone is posting at you.... mine yet again being.... So all you want are all the 5 and 4 star recruits right? because they don't bust or boom at the same rate that all the other guys do? What would be the point in evaluating players then during recruitment? Just log on to espn/rivals/scout and just start cherry picking all the highest ranked players.... Thats is what your basically insinuating.... Some of the best players in the country where 3* or lower.... More than half the 1st round players every year in the NFL draft were 3* or lower coming out of HS.... I'm not trying to spin s*** like you keep saying I am, nor do I care what you donate to, does that make you an expert? make your opinion any better than anyone else's on this board? If the coaches are year round evaluating kids then you know what? that is more info then you, me or anyone else here has to make any kind of assumption on a 17 year old kid who has yet to have his shot to proof himself....

Do you think Golden doesn't want the 4 and 5 star recruits? Do you think Golden wasn't after Collins and Thomas? He was after them. He failed to get them. We ended up with crappy leftovers. That's the issue.

No he doesn't want every 4 or 5 star recruit... does he want some of them? of course, so does every other coach... Read around and you'll see that they prefered their 3* commit lineman more than they did 4* kirkland... Just like they liked 3* edwards over Bryant... They are the ones running the camps, visiting guys, talking to parents.... It's their team... That simple... Golden could careless what you or I think of his class... It's his *** if he doesn't succeed... Think he is giving a half *** effort when he evaluates the 17 year old kids that basically hold his job in their hands? No...

 

[CaneSuger]

What sanctions? Name them.

Golden is also working with sanctions from when your buddy was in charge. Troll

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

Semantics. The threat of sanctions and you knew what he meant.

How do you know that was the issue? You're just assuming it was. Most kids said it wasn't the deciding factor. Kirkland and Thomas specifically said the reason they didn't pick Miami was they didn't trust the coaches. That's an issue.

 

[TP800]

Golden is also working with sanctions from when your buddy was in charge. Troll

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

Just stop. Not everything is positive. If anyone's trolling at this point, it's you. Shannons gone, no one in this thread has brought him up but you. This is Goldens team now. His recruiting, his players, his system. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging Golden didn't get It DONE as far as SOME prosects go. Stop bing a HOMER, and face the facts. Larry just put it out there. Golden MISSED on some prospects, handle it. Stop trolling.

 

[CaneSuger]

Me being a dumbass? I could care less about being popular with people.... Point is in your mind if everyone doesn't have more stars next to their name then they suck.... Is that not your argument? Because greg bryant had more pub and more stars than edwards that makes him automatically better? You want to know the truth? You nor I know who the f*** is going to turn into an all pro and who is going to bust... That simple... Your judging a class before it has even had one game let alone one practice... f***ing ignorance... Your already labeling these kids failures before they have even had a shot to proof themselves...

The truth is you're looking for a silver lining that isn't there. Al Golden would probably take Bryant over Edwards if he could. The thing is, he gambled with Collins, and he lost. Bryant's ship had sailed, and Golden took the best back that was available.

****, we could have been in it for Derrick Green, the #1 back in the country, but Golden canceled a visit with him to put all his eggs in the failed Collins basket.

That's a fail, no matter how you look at it.

Again you are avoiding all the questions everyone is posting at you.... mine yet again being.... So all you want are all the 5 and 4 star recruits right? because they don't bust or boom at the same rate that all the other guys do? What would be the point in evaluating players then during recruitment? Just log on to espn/rivals/scout and just start cherry picking all the highest ranked players.... Thats is what your basically insinuating.... Some of the best players in the country where 3* or lower.... More than half the 1st round players every year in the NFL draft were 3* or lower coming out of HS.... I'm not trying to spin s*** like you keep saying I am, nor do I care what you donate to, does that make you an expert? make your opinion any better than anyone else's on this board? If the coaches are year round evaluating kids then you know what? that is more info then you, me or anyone else here has to make any kind of assumption on a 17 year old kid who has yet to have his shot to proof himself....

Do you think Golden doesn't want the 4 and 5 star recruits? Do you think Golden wasn't after Collins and Thomas? He was after them. He failed to get them. We ended up with crappy leftovers. That's the issue.

No he doesn't want every 4 or 5 star recruit... does he want some of them? of course, so does every other coach... Read around and you'll see that they prefered their 3* commit lineman more than they did 4* kirkland... Just like they liked 3* edwards over Bryant... They are the ones running the camps, visiting guys, talking to parents.... It's their team... That simple... Golden could careless what you or I think of his class... It's his *** if he doesn't succeed... Think he is giving a half *** effort when he evaluates the 17 year old kids that basically hold his job in their hands? No...

I agree with one thing: It's his *** if he doesn't succeed. Next year.

 

[Larry]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

I am pretty sure that post shows I can be very neutral here.

Hey, we got busted...Golden knows it (he said as much during his presser), his entire staff knows it, WE know it...it is, what it is. I'm not going to kill the guy and throw a ton of names out that we should have recruited that were never coming here anyway...this wasn't a situation like Randy got busted with during his tenure where he got busted and had to add Kelvin Cain, Asante Cleveland, Delmar Taylor, and Jimmy Gaines to fill out a class in the last month. Al had the bulk of his class done, he was waiting on a ton of local players that he essentially had two offers out for every spot remaining. He busted on a bunch and didn't have a backup or two for the remaining spot or two remaining.

We got just as many top end players this year as FSU did (6 ESPNU 150 for FSU, 5 for Miami, plus Sandland makes it a push), FWIW.

Miami's top end talent in this class is just as good as any team in the country...it was a small class. Funny enough...Thomas, a DT, and Collins would have taken a class that would have been small, but as good as any in the country...to the best in the country, regardless of numbers. Its not like we're dealing with crap.

 

[kmwcane]

What sanctions? Name them.

Golden is also working with sanctions from when your buddy was in charge. Troll

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

Semantics. The threat of sanctions and you knew what he meant.

How do you know that was the issue? You're just assuming it was. Most kids said it wasn't the deciding factor. Kirkland and Thomas specifically said the reason they didn't pick Miami was they didn't trust the coaches. That's an issue.

The coaches that actually talk to the recruits said it was a major factor. That is how I know it was an issue.

Most kids said it wasn't a deciding factor? How would you know that? Just because it might not have affected their decisions doesn't mean that it affected no one else.

 

[canesg75]

The truth is you're looking for a silver lining that isn't there. Al Golden would probably take Bryant over Edwards if he could. The thing is, he gambled with Collins, and he lost. Bryant's ship had sailed, and Golden took the best back that was available.

****, we could have been in it for Derrick Green, the #1 back in the country, but Golden canceled a visit with him to put all his eggs in the failed Collins basket.

That's a fail, no matter how you look at it.

Again you are avoiding all the questions everyone is posting at you.... mine yet again being.... So all you want are all the 5 and 4 star recruits right? because they don't bust or boom at the same rate that all the other guys do? What would be the point in evaluating players then during recruitment? Just log on to espn/rivals/scout and just start cherry picking all the highest ranked players.... Thats is what your basically insinuating.... Some of the best players in the country where 3* or lower.... More than half the 1st round players every year in the NFL draft were 3* or lower coming out of HS.... I'm not trying to spin s*** like you keep saying I am, nor do I care what you donate to, does that make you an expert? make your opinion any better than anyone else's on this board? If the coaches are year round evaluating kids then you know what? that is more info then you, me or anyone else here has to make any kind of assumption on a 17 year old kid who has yet to have his shot to proof himself....

Do you think Golden doesn't want the 4 and 5 star recruits? Do you think Golden wasn't after Collins and Thomas? He was after them. He failed to get them. We ended up with crappy leftovers. That's the issue.

No he doesn't want every 4 or 5 star recruit... does he want some of them? of course, so does every other coach... Read around and you'll see that they prefered their 3* commit lineman more than they did 4* kirkland... Just like they liked 3* edwards over Bryant... They are the ones running the camps, visiting guys, talking to parents.... It's their team... That simple... Golden could careless what you or I think of his class... It's his *** if he doesn't succeed... Think he is giving a half *** effort when he evaluates the 17 year old kids that basically hold his job in their hands? No...

I agree with one thing: It's his *** if he doesn't succeed. Next year.

If you think he is going to get fired next year then your nuts... He would have to lose 7 or more games to get his a** canned. They didn't tell this man about the s*** storm he was walking into when he took the job, then he has been a loyal soldier every step of the way and turned down every school that has come calling his name... We are not even out from under this 2 year investigation yet... Guy has not even had a chance to go to a bowl... In his second year he won the coastal and made the ACC championship game with all the s*** going on with the program... We could have ended up in a BCS bowl in his second year if s*** had broken straight in the ACC title game.... I'm not saying everything he has done has been perfect... But at the same time you can't discount what this guy has done in 2 years under the circumstances he has had to deal with... When he got here he almost didn't even have a team.... But alot of people forget that...

 

[TP800]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

I am pretty sure that post shows I can be very neutral here.

Hey, we got busted...Golden knows it (he said as much during his presser), his entire staff knows it, WE know it...it is, what it is. I'm not going to kill the guy and throw a ton of names out that we should have recruited that were never coming here anyway...this wasn't a situation like Randy got busted with during his tenure where he got busted and had to add Kelvin Cain, Asante Cleveland, Delmar Taylor, and Jimmy Gaines to fill out a class in the last month. Al had the bulk of his class done, he was waiting on a ton of local players that he essentially had two offers out for every spot remaining. He busted on a bunch and didn't have a backup or two for the remaining spot or two remaining.

We got just as many top end players this year as FSU did (6 ESPNU 150 for FSU, 5 for Miami, plus Sandland makes it a push), FWIW.

I meant it as your post was neutral. Great post. Not saying you had blinders on. What you layed out is exactly what I'm talking about. Golden missed. It happens.

 

[ARJB]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green. To be fair, the way the ball bounced here, I can't imagine the staff feeling anything less than certain he was coming up until that guy announced for Arkansas, but, we're in a results business.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far (and we really needed one) and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

I agree with all of this, and I'm amused that you can criticize the staff without getting your head bit off, whereas I do it and end up with 11 negs.

You are correct here.

It's because he does it by spelling out his thoughts logically. You could learn a thing or two.

 

[SevenNSeven]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green. To be fair, the way the ball bounced here, I can't imagine the staff feeling anything less than certain he was coming up until that guy announced for Arkansas, but, we're in a results business.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far (and we really needed one) and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

I agree with all of this, and I'm amused that you can criticize the staff without getting your head bit off, whereas I do it and end up with 11 negs.

You are correct here.

It's because he does it by spelling out his thoughts logically. You could learn a thing or two.

What? 'Worst close ever' isn't logical and detailed enough? No way!

 

[Homesteadwhat]

So collins mom signed his LOI?

doesnt need to, he is 18

lol Go do some research, gotta be 21 to sign without a parent

I just read this article, maybe you can write the editor with all your spare researching time. Its up to you.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Report-HS-Football-Recruits-Mom-Took-LOI-190070121.html

Collins' mother does not want him to leave South Florida, according to ESPN. Since Collins is 18, he does not need parental consent to sign a letter of intent, but he cannot send a letter of intent that he does not possess.
"She’s having anxiety," Collins' older brother Johnny told the Miami Herald Wednesday afternoon. "I know she preferred him to go to UM. Alex had said he was going to the U, and then all of a sudden he changes his mind. We found out he was going to Arkansas on TV."

 

[USNAVYCANE]

So collins mom signed his LOI?

doesnt need to, he is 18

lol Go do some research, gotta be 21 to sign without a parent

I just read this article, maybe you can write the editor with all your spare researching time. Its up to you.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Report-HS-Football-Recruits-Mom-Took-LOI-190070121.html

Collins' mother does not want him to leave South Florida, according to ESPN. Since Collins is 18, he does not need parental consent to sign a letter of intent, but he cannot send a letter of intent that he does not possess.
"She’s having anxiety," Collins' older brother Johnny told the Miami Herald Wednesday afternoon. "I know she preferred him to go to UM. Alex had said he was going to the U, and then all of a sudden he changes his mind. We found out he was going to Arkansas on TV."

Well it wrong you gotta be 21

 

[USNAVYCANE]

http://www.berecruited.com/resource...al-letter-of-intent-and-athletic-scholarships

 

[Homesteadwhat]

Thanks man, I wsa just reading the article right before I saw your post so thats why I responded. Good to know

 

[Rocksolid027]

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