My Final Thoughts

[canesg75]

Well, whether you're trying to be a smartass or not, it's irrelevant to me.

Golden failed massively in South Florida this year. He missed on Collins, Bryant, Bain, Bostwick, Thomas, Kirkland, and several others (Greg Bryant, Rashard Robinson, McKenzie Alexander, etc)

We only ended up with like 3 recruits from south florida. SOUTH FLORIDA, the hottest recruiting bed in the country.

Rivals, ESPN, etc have us correctly ranked in the 20's. Which is exactly where this class deserves to be. Which is exactly where this team deserves to be in a couple years with our recruiting efforts.

If you don't understand what a massive fail that is, I have a bridge in new jersey I'd like to sell you.

But hey, go on and celebrate a class with guys like august edwards and and underweight jermaine grace.

ya-friggin-hoo.

Wow.... half those guy we didn't even recruit... Try reading alittle before you start throwing names out there to make a non existent point... Regardless your not always going to hit. You can't force a kid to go somewhere. He mentioned it today, of all the kids he has brought in since he became coach here over 65 % have been from south florida.... So he can't recruit south florida? Duke? Deon? Tracy? Grace? Coley?Burns? Jamal Carter? Malcolm Lewis? Jelani Hamilton?Chikillo? Dorsett? Perryman? Should I continue?....

Do you work for Al Golden with your 117 posts?

You're telling me we wouldn't have taken McKenzie Alexander's commitment? You're telling me we'd rather be sitting here with Augustus Edwards than Greg Bryant?

Uhh, ****ing no.

Have you ever stopped to take your head out of your a** to maybe think he felt the guys he went after where the ones HE wanted for HIS team? He didn't even offer bryant or alexander.... Your such a recruiting genius right?..... so answer me this.... Every 5 star turns into a stud in college and is the number one pick every year in the draft right?.... Stop being a star who** bro... You aint intimidating no one on here... It must be lonely on your island because every one is seeing through your weak a** posts.... oh and thanks for noticing I'm relatively new here and only have 117 posts.... You must be like the creator of the site with all the wisdom you've put out in your 1000 plus posts.... Hope you noticed the sarcasm....

Hey, you want to be popular on this site, just keep blowing smoke up everyone's *** and telling them how great things are going to be.

Me, I give exactly zero ****s about what people think of me. I say what I believe. This class was mediocre. People who try to whitewash it are stupid. Stupid people make other people around them stupider.

Quit being a dumbass.

Me being a dumbass? I could care less about being popular with people.... Point is in your mind if everyone doesn't have more stars next to their name then they suck.... Is that not your argument? Because greg bryant had more pub and more stars than edwards that makes him automatically better? You want to know the truth? You nor I know who the f*** is going to turn into an all pro and who is going to bust... That simple... Your judging a class before it has even had one game let alone one practice... f***ing ignorance... Your already labeling these kids failures before they have even had a shot to proof themselves...

 

[CaneSuger]

I'm a white bread Miami grad, and a donor to our athletic program. Quit your racist garbage. Al Golden's job is to win over the local coaches and to connect with South Florida talent. If he can't get that done, he's not the guy.

We would have done a little better without your scumbag coaches pushing kids away from Miami. Then you blame Golden for not going after sf kids, you know the truth.

I like results, not ****ing promises.

Your buddies poisoned some of our recruits. Next when we win 10 games those ******* coaches won't matter anymore. The kids will want in!

No, I see the point of your post just fine. I was just curious as to that particular statement.

You didn't just say Thomas was a can't miss stud, you said "the best linebacker recruit we will ever see in South Florida". That is an awfully bold proclamation right there.

So in your mind, the fact that Golden and Co. missed on Thomas means he can't recruit South Florida, despite landing such South Florida players like Tracy Howard, Deon Bush, Duke, Coley, etc... ? I'm honestly curious about your thoughts, not trying to be a smartass.

Well, whether you're trying to be a smartass or not, it's irrelevant to me.

Golden failed massively in South Florida this year. He missed on Collins, Bryant, Bain, Bostwick, Thomas, Kirkland, and several others (Greg Bryant, Rashard Robinson, McKenzie Alexander, etc)

We only ended up with like 3 recruits from south florida. SOUTH FLORIDA, the hottest recruiting bed in the country.

Rivals, ESPN, etc have us correctly ranked in the 20's. Which is exactly where this class deserves to be. Which is exactly where this team deserves to be in a couple years with our recruiting efforts.

If you don't understand what a massive fail that is, I have a bridge in new jersey I'd like to sell you.

But hey, go on and celebrate a class with guys like august edwards and and underweight jermaine grace.

ya-friggin-hoo.

 

[fastcane]

I'd take Edwards in a heart beat over Bryant. Never wanted Bryant. Miami would be going backwards taking some of the players you talk about, no thanks

Greg Bryant was not that good.

Better than Gus ****ing Edwards.

How do you know for a fact the Bryant is going to be a better player than Edwards?..... Because he had more stars in a recruiting site?....

 

[Larry]

We never seriously recruited Greg Bryant and Mackenzie Alexander hasn't been recruited by Miami since the early summer. At the time, the talk was he and his brother were a package deal (they weren't at the end of the cycle, but whatever) and supposedly he ran a **** time and looked bad in a camp or 7-on-7 (I don't remember the details) and Miami just wasn't interested considering they had Ray Lewis III, Artie Burns, and Jamal Carter committed by July (of which, both are superior players to Mackenzie, IMO). As for Bryant...Collins was our guy for 98% of the process...we just weren't interested in any other in-state backs that much...that goes for Derrick Henry, Bryant, Kelvin Taylor, Ryan Green, and even AJ Turman, who we actually recruited a bit...and a ton of other *** and lower SoFla backs.

 

[01rodric]

Greg Bryant was not that good.

Better than Gus ******* Edwards.

I'm intrigued by how certain you are.
Lets have a look.


One guy had two commitable instate offers: Florida State and Miami.
One guy signed with a Big 3 school. The other had no big three offers.
One guy played in a low classification at a very competitive program and had trouble impressing scouts. The other did not.
One guy got dropped by a major BCS school during his season. The other got recruited hard after his--at the time--future head coach got a HCing job in the NFL.

 

[CaneSuger]

Wow.... half those guy we didn't even recruit... Try reading alittle before you start throwing names out there to make a non existent point... Regardless your not always going to hit. You can't force a kid to go somewhere. He mentioned it today, of all the kids he has brought in since he became coach here over 65 % have been from south florida.... So he can't recruit south florida? Duke? Deon? Tracy? Grace? Coley?Burns? Jamal Carter? Malcolm Lewis? Jelani Hamilton?Chikillo? Dorsett? Perryman? Should I continue?....

Do you work for Al Golden with your 117 posts?

You're telling me we wouldn't have taken McKenzie Alexander's commitment? You're telling me we'd rather be sitting here with Augustus Edwards than Greg Bryant?

Uhh, ****ing no.

Have you ever stopped to take your head out of your a** to maybe think he felt the guys he went after where the ones HE wanted for HIS team? He didn't even offer bryant or alexander.... Your such a recruiting genius right?..... so answer me this.... Every 5 star turns into a stud in college and is the number one pick every year in the draft right?.... Stop being a star who** bro... You aint intimidating no one on here... It must be lonely on your island because every one is seeing through your weak a** posts.... oh and thanks for noticing I'm relatively new here and only have 117 posts.... You must be like the creator of the site with all the wisdom you've put out in your 1000 plus posts.... Hope you noticed the sarcasm....

Hey, you want to be popular on this site, just keep blowing smoke up everyone's *** and telling them how great things are going to be.

Me, I give exactly zero ****s about what people think of me. I say what I believe. This class was mediocre. People who try to whitewash it are stupid. Stupid people make other people around them stupider.

Quit being a dumbass.

Me being a dumbass? I could care less about being popular with people.... Point is in your mind if everyone doesn't have more stars next to their name then they suck.... Is that not your argument? Because greg bryant had more pub and more stars than edwards that makes him automatically better? You want to know the truth? You nor I know who the f*** is going to turn into an all pro and who is going to bust... That simple... Your judging a class before it has even had one game let alone one practice... f***ing ignorance... Your already labeling these kids failures before they have even had a shot to proof themselves...

The truth is you're looking for a silver lining that isn't there. Al Golden would probably take Bryant over Edwards if he could. The thing is, he gambled with Collins, and he lost. Bryant's ship had sailed, and Golden took the best back that was available.

****, we could have been in it for Derrick Green, the #1 back in the country, but Golden canceled a visit with him to put all his eggs in the failed Collins basket.

That's a fail, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Larry]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green. To be fair, the way the ball bounced here, I can't imagine the staff feeling anything less than certain he was coming up until that guy announced for Arkansas, but, we're in a results business.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far (and we really needed one) and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

 

[OldhamA]

The thing that has become apparent during this recruiting cycle is that a lot of South Florida kids want to play the recruiting game.

It's very telling that our strongest commitments are the out of state kids. Those guys bleed Orange and Green yet two kids from the 305 were indifferent.

I like the haul we got this year. I think Thomas would have been the icing on the cake, but the kid clearly had no intention of going to the U. I wish him many pancake blocks at FSU.

We missed out on adding that stud DT, but that's all we needed - we have enough bodies at the position. There was no point taking a DT just for the sake of it.

All in all another solid recruiting class. At the end of the day it's how you develop them and Golden has proven that both here and at Temple that he knows how to do that.

 

[kmwcane]

Talk about not seeing the forrest for the trees. Did you miss the entire point of my post? Matthew Thomas was a CANT MISS STUD, right in our back yard. It's not acceptable to miss out on kids like that.

If Al Golden can win without him, hey, that's great. I won't judge him until after this season.

If he can't win this season, then I will rightly say he A.) Can't recruit South Florida and B.) Isnt' a winner.

He deserves no more honeymoon.

No, I see the point of your post just fine. I was just curious as to that particular statement.

You didn't just say Thomas was a can't miss stud, you said "the best linebacker recruit we will ever see in South Florida". That is an awfully bold proclamation right there.

So in your mind, the fact that Golden and Co. missed on Thomas means he can't recruit South Florida, despite landing such South Florida players like Tracy Howard, Deon Bush, Duke, Coley, etc... ? I'm honestly curious about your thoughts, not trying to be a smartass.

Well, whether you're trying to be a smartass or not, it's irrelevant to me.

Golden failed massively in South Florida this year. He missed on Collins, Bryant, Bain, Bostwick, Thomas, Kirkland, and several others (Greg Bryant, Rashard Robinson, McKenzie Alexander, etc)

We only ended up with like 3 recruits from south florida. SOUTH FLORIDA, the hottest recruiting bed in the country.

Rivals, ESPN, etc have us correctly ranked in the 20's. Which is exactly where this class deserves to be. Which is exactly where this team deserves to be in a couple years with our recruiting efforts.

If you don't understand what a massive fail that is, I have a bridge in new jersey I'd like to sell you.

But hey, go on and celebrate a class with guys like august edwards and and underweight jermaine grace.

ya-friggin-hoo.

Not sure why you are so defensive, I was merely asking you questions. You are trying to be argumentative and put words in my mouth. Not once have I said anything regarding my thoughts on this class. You, however, have side stepped answering the questions I posed to you.

You honestly think Thomas is the best linebacker we will ever see in South Florida?

You don't think Golden and Co. can recruit South Florida despite last years haul?

Is it not possible that players from other parts of the country are better than or equal to South Florida recruits on occasion?

He missed on Bain? Greg Bryant? Mackenzie Alexander? Those were players not recruited by Miami. He did miss out the others that you listed because they were recruited heavily by Miami.

I didn't say he was the best linebacker, I said he was the best linebacker recruit. I stand by that.

I think Al Golden did a terrible job of recruiting south florida this year. That fact stands on its own. Look at the numbers.

South Florida is our backyard. Miami needs to dominate South Florida recruiting. That's a ******* job requirement for the head coach at Miami.

Well, I'll just disagree with your assessment that Matthew Thomas is "the best linebacker recruit we will ever see in South Florida".

You are correct, South Florida is Miami's backyard and Miami should dominate it. Hypothetically speaking, what is wrong with getting players from other areas of the country if they are just as good?

Your posts indicate that you think Miami should get EVERY "big time" recruit from South Florida, am I correct?

 

[TP800]

We never seriously recruited Greg Bryant and Mackenzie Alexander hasn't been recruited by Miami since the early summer. At the time, the talk was he and his brother were a package deal (they weren't at the end of the cycle, but whatever) and supposedly he ran a **** time and looked bad in a camp or 7-on-7 (I don't remember the details) and Miami just wasn't interested considering they had Ray Lewis III, Artie Burns, and Jamal Carter committed by July (of which, both are superior players to Mackenzie, IMO). As for Bryant...Collins was our guy for 98% of the process...we just weren't interested in any other in-state backs that much...that goes for Derrick Henry, Bryant, Kelvin Taylor, Ryan Green, and even AJ Turman, who we actually recruited a bit...and a ton of other *** and lower SoFla backs.

Look at al that running back talent in Florida. ****. Matt Asyes will probably be solid too.

 

[fastcane]

Racist garbage my ***! Miami grad my *** too! Golden won't need to win over every piece of crap coach who wants him gone. 10 wins this year and we bypass your scumbag coaches asses. I wonder if those coaches let criminals hang around some of those kids? We already know the answer to that, scum! Go back to hiding under that bridge you troll.

I'm a white bread Miami grad, and a donor to our athletic program. Quit your racist garbage. Al Golden's job is to win over the local coaches and to connect with South Florida talent. If he can't get that done, he's not the guy.

We would have done a little better without your scumbag coaches pushing kids away from Miami. Then you blame Golden for not going after sf kids, you know the truth.

I like results, not ****ing promises.

Your buddies poisoned some of our recruits. Next when we win 10 games those ******* coaches won't matter anymore. The kids will want in!

Well, whether you're trying to be a smartass or not, it's irrelevant to me.

Golden failed massively in South Florida this year. He missed on Collins, Bryant, Bain, Bostwick, Thomas, Kirkland, and several others (Greg Bryant, Rashard Robinson, McKenzie Alexander, etc)

We only ended up with like 3 recruits from south florida. SOUTH FLORIDA, the hottest recruiting bed in the country.

Rivals, ESPN, etc have us correctly ranked in the 20's. Which is exactly where this class deserves to be. Which is exactly where this team deserves to be in a couple years with our recruiting efforts.

If you don't understand what a massive fail that is, I have a bridge in new jersey I'd like to sell you.

But hey, go on and celebrate a class with guys like august edwards and and underweight jermaine grace.

ya-friggin-hoo.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Spot on Larry. I was a major Moore fan boy, and the face plant at DT is unacceptable. But to be clear, that doesn't have that much to with the OOS vs. In state argument Suger is making. Those were clear ***** ups or just getting flat out beat.

 

[canesg75]

Do you work for Al Golden with your 117 posts?

You're telling me we wouldn't have taken McKenzie Alexander's commitment? You're telling me we'd rather be sitting here with Augustus Edwards than Greg Bryant?

Uhh, ****ing no.

Have you ever stopped to take your head out of your a** to maybe think he felt the guys he went after where the ones HE wanted for HIS team? He didn't even offer bryant or alexander.... Your such a recruiting genius right?..... so answer me this.... Every 5 star turns into a stud in college and is the number one pick every year in the draft right?.... Stop being a star who** bro... You aint intimidating no one on here... It must be lonely on your island because every one is seeing through your weak a** posts.... oh and thanks for noticing I'm relatively new here and only have 117 posts.... You must be like the creator of the site with all the wisdom you've put out in your 1000 plus posts.... Hope you noticed the sarcasm....

Hey, you want to be popular on this site, just keep blowing smoke up everyone's *** and telling them how great things are going to be.

Me, I give exactly zero ****s about what people think of me. I say what I believe. This class was mediocre. People who try to whitewash it are stupid. Stupid people make other people around them stupider.

Quit being a dumbass.

Me being a dumbass? I could care less about being popular with people.... Point is in your mind if everyone doesn't have more stars next to their name then they suck.... Is that not your argument? Because greg bryant had more pub and more stars than edwards that makes him automatically better? You want to know the truth? You nor I know who the f*** is going to turn into an all pro and who is going to bust... That simple... Your judging a class before it has even had one game let alone one practice... f***ing ignorance... Your already labeling these kids failures before they have even had a shot to proof themselves...

The truth is you're looking for a silver lining that isn't there. Al Golden would probably take Bryant over Edwards if he could. The thing is, he gambled with Collins, and he lost. Bryant's ship had sailed, and Golden took the best back that was available.

****, we could have been in it for Derrick Green, the #1 back in the country, but Golden canceled a visit with him to put all his eggs in the failed Collins basket.

That's a fail, no matter how you look at it.

Again you are avoiding all the questions everyone is posting at you.... mine yet again being.... So all you want are all the 5 and 4 star recruits right? because they don't bust or boom at the same rate that all the other guys do? What would be the point in evaluating players then during recruitment? Just log on to espn/rivals/scout and just start cherry picking all the highest ranked players.... Thats is what your basically insinuating.... Some of the best players in the country where 3* or lower.... More than half the 1st round players every year in the NFL draft were 3* or lower coming out of HS.... I'm not trying to spin s*** like you keep saying I am, nor do I care what you donate to, does that make you an expert? make your opinion any better than anyone else's on this board? If the coaches are year round evaluating kids then you know what? that is more info then you, me or anyone else here has to make any kind of assumption on a 17 year old kid who has yet to have his shot to proof himself....

 

[TP800]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

 

[fastcane]

CaneSour says grace is no good, lol. Troll

Suger, you lose a lot of credibility in your position when you belittle Jermaine Grace's addition to this team.

I'm glad Grace decided to follow Howard and Lewis to Miami.

A.) Golden doesn't deserve credit for this

B.) Grace is not Matthew Thomas

Ahhh, so Golden gets no credit for Grace committing to Miami. It was all Howard and Lewis. Well if that is the case, I wonder who recruited Howard and Lewis to Miami???

Grace is better in pass coverage/drops than Thomas.

Explain why you think Greg Bryant is better than Edwards. Thanks!

 

[Larry]

Spot on Larry. I was a major Moore fan boy, and the face plant at DT is unacceptable. But to be clear, that doesn't have that much to with the OOS vs. In state argument Suger is making. Those were clear ***** ups or just getting flat out beat.

Because it was such a small class and they knew it going into the cycle, it just seems like they made some definitive decisions early on in regards to number and who to go all out for and because of that, they screwed the pooch when Signing Day came and they left empty handed on a few of their top targets.

The only negative you can really take away from this class are the few local kids we went all-in on and got busted with a two of clubs on the river. The guys we took, we'd take every time (at least I would)...but there were a few players we got busted on and paid the piper for.

 

[CaneSuger]

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green. To be fair, the way the ball bounced here, I can't imagine the staff feeling anything less than certain he was coming up until that guy announced for Arkansas, but, we're in a results business.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far (and we really needed one) and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

I agree with all of this, and I'm amused that you can criticize the staff without getting your head bit off, whereas I do it and end up with 11 negs.

You are correct here.

 

[fastcane]

Golden is also working with sanctions from when your buddy was in charge. Troll

For posterity...

IMO, Golden had a few missteps in this year's process...

-Matthew Thomas...I only care about the end result here...the fact that it looks like he never really wanted to come here doesn't help Golden's choice. Looks like a Marvin Jones situation. Also, lacking a backup plan to Thomas hurt, too...Skai Moore (curious considering he's local, wanted to come, and starred at a Golden Camp)...or somebody, ANYBODY should have been on speed dial today.

-Rashard Robinson...we didn't officially offer until he came to camp...by that point he was already an LSU commit. You gotta offer these kids earlier...and I think they realized their mistake as they put the full court press on him. Too little, too late, though.

-Alex Collins...whether it was not securing the commitment or knowing when to move on or have an adequate Plan B (there were TONS in-state to choose from)...there was an obvious misstep by the staff here to fill the RB need. Edwards is a nice get, but I won't be fooled...IMO, he's a fullback. They had legitimate interest in AJ Turman early on, but after he committed to Georgia, we didnt hear about any backup plans to Collins until we started recruiting Derrick Green.

-Defensive Tackle...JUCO kids are tough to recruit...the majority of the best play in Texas, Mississippi, Kansas, or California and by the time they are 20 years old have roots established (West Coast, SEC country, or in the Mid-West whether it be a family or a kid) and they are working with a small window to play and succeed (sanctions really hampers recruiting some of these kids). But, they swung and missed on every JUCO DT they even sniffed around, so far and completely missed on "local" freshman recruits. Again, no adequate backups is a problem here, moreso at the JUCO end. Missing on everything here is definitely a BIG knock on Golden's 2013 class. He should have been more proactive once Bryant started getting fruity back in the fall, but we really only focused on JUCOs outside of Bryant/Bostwick. I believe the staff felt certain ONE of them would be a 'Cane, but it turns out neither will be.

When you take the blinders off COMPLETELY and look at it from this neutral perspective..... Golden needed to get more done. I understand he tried but he still didn't get it Done. I hate to mention FSU bbut UM has to step it up on several different fronts to keep up. Can't allow Fsu to dominate.

 

[CaneSuger]

Have you ever stopped to take your head out of your a** to maybe think he felt the guys he went after where the ones HE wanted for HIS team? He didn't even offer bryant or alexander.... Your such a recruiting genius right?..... so answer me this.... Every 5 star turns into a stud in college and is the number one pick every year in the draft right?.... Stop being a star who** bro... You aint intimidating no one on here... It must be lonely on your island because every one is seeing through your weak a** posts.... oh and thanks for noticing I'm relatively new here and only have 117 posts.... You must be like the creator of the site with all the wisdom you've put out in your 1000 plus posts.... Hope you noticed the sarcasm....

Hey, you want to be popular on this site, just keep blowing smoke up everyone's *** and telling them how great things are going to be.

Me, I give exactly zero ****s about what people think of me. I say what I believe. This class was mediocre. People who try to whitewash it are stupid. Stupid people make other people around them stupider.

Quit being a dumbass.

Me being a dumbass? I could care less about being popular with people.... Point is in your mind if everyone doesn't have more stars next to their name then they suck.... Is that not your argument? Because greg bryant had more pub and more stars than edwards that makes him automatically better? You want to know the truth? You nor I know who the f*** is going to turn into an all pro and who is going to bust... That simple... Your judging a class before it has even had one game let alone one practice... f***ing ignorance... Your already labeling these kids failures before they have even had a shot to proof themselves...

The truth is you're looking for a silver lining that isn't there. Al Golden would probably take Bryant over Edwards if he could. The thing is, he gambled with Collins, and he lost. Bryant's ship had sailed, and Golden took the best back that was available.

****, we could have been in it for Derrick Green, the #1 back in the country, but Golden canceled a visit with him to put all his eggs in the failed Collins basket.

That's a fail, no matter how you look at it.

Again you are avoiding all the questions everyone is posting at you.... mine yet again being.... So all you want are all the 5 and 4 star recruits right? because they don't bust or boom at the same rate that all the other guys do? What would be the point in evaluating players then during recruitment? Just log on to espn/rivals/scout and just start cherry picking all the highest ranked players.... Thats is what your basically insinuating.... Some of the best players in the country where 3* or lower.... More than half the 1st round players every year in the NFL draft were 3* or lower coming out of HS.... I'm not trying to spin s*** like you keep saying I am, nor do I care what you donate to, does that make you an expert? make your opinion any better than anyone else's on this board? If the coaches are year round evaluating kids then you know what? that is more info then you, me or anyone else here has to make any kind of assumption on a 17 year old kid who has yet to have his shot to proof himself....

Do you think Golden doesn't want the 4 and 5 star recruits? Do you think Golden wasn't after Collins and Thomas? He was after them. He failed to get them. We ended up with crappy leftovers. That's the issue.

 

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Do I agree w/ everyone that Golden struck out with the DT portion of our class? **** yeah. But to say that we should have just taken south florida guys over our out of state guys is just stupid. So no out of state guys can ever measure up to any recruit that comes out of South Florida? give me a break... At the end of the day it is stupid to say these kids are busts before they have even gotten on campus... You don't know if the lonely 3* odogwu that no one else recruited turns into the next bryant mckinnie... At the end of the day Al Golden went after the players he and his staff felt where the right fits for THEIR football team... Did they strike out, of course... But no one bats 1.000.... Certain people are quick to forget the kind of class he pulled in last year... They are just now going to be sophmores... It doesn't always have to be doom and gloom...