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Mel Tucker is a Corch [Suspended after investigation...now fired]

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The top of the pecking order in that part of the country is always going to be some combination of Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State and Penn State.

There's a reason Saban went 9-2 and GTFO back in 1999. He knew Sparty football had (and still has) a glass ceiling.

This ain't like our state where any of the Big 3 can get to the top of the mountain and stay there with the right coach and proper institutional support.
 
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aelmiami said:
I’m always skeptical of guys who ride success off of a transfer. Props to Tucker for finding Walker but can he consistently do that? $9.5 Million is a lot for a guy who’s been average until this year.
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I get Tucker being overpaid in such a short head coaching tenure. On the flip side he's only been a head coach for 3 years at 2 schools. That's the beginning of 2 rebuilds that were losing before he got there.

It's just funny that we have a thread on one coach with so many opinions because he hit a big payday. I'm certain most of his salary just like Mario’s or any other coach making over $5 million is being paid by the boosters. The only people that should have any opinions are the boosters that are paying most of the salaries.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
I get Tucker being overpaid in such a short head coaching tenure. On the flip side he's only been a head coach for 3 years at 2 schools. That's the beginning of 2 rebuilds that were losing before he got there.

It's just funny that we have a thread on one coach with so many opinions because he hit a big payday. I'm certain most of his salary just like Mario’s or any other coach making over $5 million is being paid by the boosters. The only people that should have any opinions are the boosters that are paying most of the salaries.
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I'd say there has been an equal number of comments on Harbaugh, Smart, and now Riley getting paid, but not producing to the expectations.

Thinking that the above are overpaid and good for them can exist at same time right?

You know who are the OGs of this? Bobby Bonnilla and Willie T. Again, good for both of them for negotiating their deals.
 
It’s way too early to make a decision on Tucker as a coach. He’s done a good job of turning a bad team into a good one but is he a one year wonder or can he maintain success? We’ll have to wait and see.

However, he didn’t just pull off some impossible season at MSU. Mike Dantonio won 10 or more games there 5 times. As recently as 2017. He also had a 13-1 playoff season there. He only had 3 losing seasons in 15 years and finished with a .667 win percentage. Michigan State isn’t Michigan or Ohio State but they’re still in that upper tier of FBS programs that usually finds itself in the top 25.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Agreed.

Those saying, "I'd like to see what Tucker could do without so and so is pointless." Getting top players is part of the deal for any college coach and he's not getting top players. He's finding 3-4 star diamonds thst fit his program.

Nick Saban wouldn't have won any championships without all the top players he had at Bama and LSU. He's not making 3-stars into 5-stars the way Cincinnati, Iowa, Iowa State, Iowa, and Wisconsin do. None of which has won or will ever win a natty.

I think what they're really trying to imply is that Tucker can't coach and he only won those games with a ringer at RB. They're trying to perpetuate old stereotypes. Just silly.
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CFB is mostly about talent acquisition. There’s no coach who Xs and Os they way to 11 win szns
 
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Both can be true: Mel T is overpaid AND he did a phenomenal job this year.

Watching last nights game I felt bad for him. Until the late TDS the offense play was trash. The play calls were great and there were plays to be had.

If the QB made a decent throw the receiver would drop it. If the receiver was wide open, the QB would miss with a lousy throw. I was sitting there watching, and thinking, how does a good coach overcome these issues? Does he sit the QB? Does he keep trying till it sticks?
 
Hold My Beer said:
The top of the pecking order in that part of the country is always going to be some combination of Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State and Penn State.

There's a reason Saban went 9-2 and GTFO back in 1999. He knew Sparty football had (and still has) a glass ceiling.

This ain't like our state where any of the Big 3 can get to the top of the mountain and stay there with the right coach and proper institutional support.
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Once upon a time, I would have agreed with you. But I don't think the old notions of "traditional" or "glass ceilings" apply anymore.

Just look at the CFP playoffs - yeah, we think of Michigan as a Traditional Powerhouse - but in fact, they've only won one NC in the last 70 years (contested in 1997). And Georgia hasn't won one since 1980. Meanwhile, G5 Cincy has snuck in (I do expect Saban will absolutely murder them though I hope I'm wrong).

And the vaunted Notre Dame Irish haven't had a Natty since 1988.

Meanwhile, programs like Clemson who had no historic success have dominated the ACC the better part of the last decade and schools like Texas A&M, Oregon, and Mich. St are all taking their shots.

I have no idea whether Tucker will lead MSU to a ship. Odds are he won't. But I also think the moment in college football has arrived where any program from any part of the country - with the right recruiting, coaching, and institutional support - CAN reach the top of the mountain.

I'm guessing that's the bet that the MSU admin was willing to make when they gave Tucker that contract and it's the same bet that many schools across the country are making when they throw out $100M contracts to HCs - most of whom who have yet to win anything.
 
305to954 said:
CFB is mostly about talent acquisition. There’s no coach who Xs and Os they way to 11 win szns
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This guy disagrees:

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DTP said:
It’s way too early to make a decision on Tucker as a coach. He’s done a good job of turning a bad team into a good one but is he a one year wonder or can he maintain success? We’ll have to wait and see.

However, he didn’t just pull off some impossible season at MSU. Mike Dantonio won 10 or more games there 5 times. As recently as 2017. He also had a 13-1 playoff season there. He only had 3 losing seasons in 15 years and finished with a .667 win percentage. Michigan State isn’t Michigan or Ohio State but they’re still in that upper tier of FBS programs that usually finds itself in the top 25.
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Exactly. Going 11-2 at Michigan State isn't some great feat. Dantonio won the Big 10 3 times, and made a college football playoff. He had 5 double digit win seasons Mel did a good job this year, but he is a defensive coach and his defense sucked this year.

He struck gold with Kenneth Walker in the portal. His offense looked weak last night without him.
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
Cincy has talent on that team. They have a 1st -2nd round QB. And 2 excellent CBs. Thats just for starters. You don’t win without talent.
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Of course they have talent. And agreed, you can't win without it. But I doubt any fair assessment of their 85 man roster would suggest they have top 30 in the country talent, let alone playoff talent.

My point isn't to diminish the importance of talent but rather to make sure we don't also diminish the importance of coaching which is what I sensed from your post.
 
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305to954 said:
CFB is mostly about talent acquisition. There’s no coach who Xs and Os they way to 11 win szns
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Talent is more important than X's and O's but you need both. There are definitely coaches doing way more with less.
 
His team's tend to play better in the second half, including against us, which is the sign of a coach who is able to make great adjustments.

Michigan State is like the Steelers, not in terms of success, but in that they like to have a coach for looooooooon time. They believe Mel is their guy. They paid him to not even think about another job, which if he was indeed a corch, they wouldn't have to worry about.

Know who the last MSU football coach was to bolt for another college football jobs?

Nick Saban.

He also never won a single bowl game at MSU. I bet some would've called him a corch back then too.

They're trying to avoid a repeat of that.
 
305to954 said:
You see the 2 MAIN “corches” being mentioned in this thread too..**** wild b
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EXACTLY. And most of them honestly don’t see the pattern of their behavior. It’s totally in their subconscious. Make any thread concerning black men, employment and money and you’ll get this reaction every single time. When is a black man ever qualified? Our worth is always in question.
 
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