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crossover22[]_[] said:
Oh i completely agree.

that doesn't mean coaches know best or even know more than fans that watch coaches week in and week out.

Mario hired gattis even though Michigan fans knew it wasnt his offense. Mario would never go off what fans know but in this case the fans knew more than mario.
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And the Mario hiring Gatass siruation has been discussed here incessantly. Some of the facts we know and many we still don’t and probably never will. Nature of the beast. I try and take most of what I read, especially from reporters and fans, with a grain of salt.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not saying it's the best we can do or the worst we can do. I'm not saying we should wait or go faster. None of that.

But you know what's going on, and if we CAN'T land a better OC in the next few weeks, I'm also not going to be suicidal over Arroyo.

You know I always hear you out, how would Arroyo, on his own, be a disastrous hire? Not in terms of "who we could have hired", just in terms of ARROYO himself, who put up 3 years of Top 25 scoring offenses at Oregon.

If Arroyo "works well with others", that's already one attribute that Gattis doesn't have.
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Based on the list of candidates 12 months ago and the Intel of who Mario has reached out to currently, I feel good that Mario is aiming much higher than Arroyo.

But until I see it announced I’ve got absolutely zero expectations as Mario’s first 12 months has burnt me out
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Arroyo is an OK coordinator. He's proven he's not completely inept. We could probably be pretty good on offense if we continue to recruit the way that we are for ALL positions.

But lesbianist....Miami is rich. When you're rich, you don't hire Marcus Arroyo for $2M a season. 10 years ago, Arroyo is a great hire, but not today.
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All fair points.

But our money got us Gattis. And apparently didn't get us higher choices last year, or this year (so far).
 
Cane6 said:
Based on the list of candidates 12 months ago and the Intel of who Mario has reached out to currently, I feel good that Mario is aiming much higher than Arroyo.

But until I see it announced I’ve got absolutely zero expectations as Mario’s first 12 months has burnt me out
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Yes. And I'm not advocating for Arroyo or Ruggiero or anyone. I'm just being honest.

So if the guys we are aiming for don't pick Miami, we still need someone calling plays next year who isn't named "Gattis".
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
We got at least 6 to 7 more years of this **** mane. Mother**** my life!

Arroyo loves the pistol offense. Dude is a ******* caveman.

As bad as diaz was he at least understood miami needed to get with the times on offense.
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There’s an old saying that goes “Don’t pee before your water comes.” In other words, don’t jump off the cliff at least until Mario hires a new OC.
 
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crossover22[]_[] said:
Didnt really answer the question.

So do you think a offense that has been described as vanilla, predictable or looked like a caveman was coaching is a offense that can beat clemson or fsu?
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An offense that has incessantly been described as vanilla just won the last 2 National Championships and went 29-1 in the process...
 
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if the best we can do is Arroyo, then Mario would have underperformed again and this failure suggests that he can't lure the top OC candidates in the country since he's had at least 3-4 months to replace Gattis since he knew half way through the season, if not before, that Gattis wasn't working out.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Agreed.

I am not saying we should or should not offer/hire Arroyo.

I'm just trying to figure out why some people would lose their sanity if that actually happened.
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The fan base has been tainted by the “homeboy” hire including myself. Golden/No D, Richt/Baby Richt and Manny/The whole defense of staff. It to similar to the previous failed stuffs.

It has been said that Miami has the money, so why not try to hire the best out there? I don’t think it’s wrong that the fans want that.

I don’t know if Arroyo is good or not but to wait this long just to hire him(I know there are other factors playing into long wait of Gattis being release) would be disappointing.
 
wnycanesfan said:
The "Justin Herbert" nonense is not that he was the QB but that Arroyo and Mario did not develop him and held him back.
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So who developed him into a top 10 pick? Was he a 5 star QB coming out of High school? Nope. IIRC, he was a mid 3 star kid (85) How many different OCs did he have at UO? Head Coaches? If I can come from a 3 star to a top 10 NFL pick, I’d like to think that I was developed properly. He had some nice numbers at UO…. but Don’t totally look at his NFL numbers in comparison with his college numbers as proof that he wasn’t developed. It’s a much different league. It’s apparent to me that there was some coaching going on at Oregon.
 
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canegrad said:
I never said that about Arroyo. I just pointed out that two well renowned play callers, called less passing plays. Your assertion was that Herbert was underutilized bc he didn’t throw the ball enough. I should have stopped at he was 18th in the country in pass attempts.

Your attempt to change the discussion by bringing in other offensive stats and making up a false narrative doesn’t make you right.

Enjoy your day.
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When your qb can really only throw, though he is mobile he’s not a rb type qb like fields and hurts, and you’re in the bottom half of the country in passing attempts in an offense that throws screens 1/4 of the time, that’s not utilizing him to the fullest. That’s not how you maximize the talent of a top 6 nfl pick at your disposal. And I never said that was the only stat that mattered, I pointed it out, along with some of his other stats in the nfl, because it was the most glaring.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
If Hypothetically those 20 OCs "don't" accept Mario's offer, that's a sign of something not right within UMs hiring process.
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That's a very valid point. But at the same time, this board is also impossible to please.

If we'd hired Brady based on the resume he brought to LSU, this board would go ballistic. Last year, Dorsey wasn't "experienced enough for us", but he's the OC for a top tier NFL team. Monken would get laughed off this board and the guy just won 2 National Championships. There's always something wrong with EVERYBODY according to this board.
 
KANE said:
So who developed him into a top 10 pick? Was he a 5 star QB coming out of High school? Nope. IIRC, he was a mid 3 star kid (85) How many different OCs did he have at UO? Head Coaches? If I can come from a 3 star to a top 10 NFL pick, I’d like to think that I was developed properly. He had some nice numbers at UO…. but Don’t totally look at his NFL numbers in comparison with his college numbers as proof that he wasn’t developed. It’s a much different league. It’s apparent to me that there was some coaching going on at Oregon.
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I’m not saying Oregon coaches had no part in his success but sometimes guys are just under rated. Should we be pursuing the coaches at Reedley college and Wyoming for “developing” Josh Allen into a top 10 pick? I also don’t think anyone really “developed” burrow. They just started running a system at lsu his last year that maximizes his skills. His first year there was very forgettable.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Typical dopiness from you.

"Horrible offensive coach". How? Top 25 scoring offense all three years at Oregon.

And then you talk about his role as a HEAD COACH. As per usual, you have moved the goalposts.

Your analysis is bottom of the barrel. A mixture of buzzwords, false statements, and capitalizing certain words as if that proves something.

Go back to derailing other threads.
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You were talking arroyo. I joined in. Thats not derailing. Learn the meaning of the word.


Top 25 at oregon when the best team you play is utah means jack ****.

List the defenses he played..... ill wait.
 
KANE said:
So who developed him into a top 10 pick? Was he a 5 star QB coming out of High school? Nope. IIRC, he was a mid 3 star kid (85) How many different OCs did he have at UO? Head Coaches? If I can come from a 3 star to a top 10 NFL pick, I’d like to think that I was developed properly. He had some nice numbers at UO…. but Don’t totally look at his NFL numbers in comparison with his college numbers as proof that he wasn’t developed. It’s a much different league. It’s apparent to me that there was some coaching going on at Oregon.
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Yost coached Herbert his Frosh yr at Oregon, and I just read an article where Herbert credits Yost with alot. Same with Jordan Love when Yost coached him his Frosh, and Soph seasons at Utah St.
 
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