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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
I thinks it’s obvious we have natural light taste while having scotch money, and we like to pay extra for our beer…
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One of my last weekends in college my crew of buddies only drank Natty Ice for an entire weekend
 
423Hurricane said:
Many CIS’ers take writers and reporters words as gospel when in fact, most writers and reporters don’t know their asses from holes in the ground.
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Serious question for you.

do you feel CIS could give fans good information on Golden, No D, Gattis, shannon, diaz? Like if fans wanted to know what they were getting with a coach could they trust the information we gave them?

If your answer is yes then why do you believe oregon fans have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Mario or arroyo?
 
Tru C said:
I get really angry at Arroyo mentions.
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crossover22[]_[] said:
Let me get this straight. You are comparing arroyo to a guy that coached against sec defenses, a coach at wake forest with 2 and 3 star players, and miami who has sucked for 20 years?

You realize arroyo had Herbert and played in a conference where utah was the best competition and a conference that plays absolutely no defense.


Come on man.
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You can spin it in any way you'd want. By my math, Ruggiero has the most clout of all of the listed OCs here BECAUSE he scored as much as he did with 2 and 3 star players in the same **** conference we play in.

And while we're at it, while the PAC 12 has not been a powerhouse for some time, let's not pretend that the it is bereft of talent. It's still a P5 conference and Arroyo's offenses put up points just fine with talent on his team that was comparable to the talent they played against.

Again, I'm not sitting here trying to pretend that he's an Offensive savant. Of course there's a lot of other OCs I'd prefer ahead of him.

I'm just saying the dude has no business getting treated like he's Pat Nix or Gattis on this board based on his actual production in putting up points.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Let me get this straight. You are comparing arroyo to a guy that coached against sec defenses, a coach at wake forest with 2 and 3 star players, and miami who has sucked for 20 years?

You realize arroyo had Herbert and played in a conference where utah was the best competition and a conference that plays absolutely no defense.


Come on man.
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Anyone can cheery pick information to fit their agenda. On CIS, it’s usually negative information. Just because a particular coach was meh at one place, doesn’t necessarily mean they’d be meh at another place. Countless variables go into whether or not a coach is successful or sucks
 
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My2Sense said:
You can spin it in any way you'd want. By my math, Ruggiero has the most clout of all of the listed OCs here BECAUSE he scored as much as he did with 2 and 3 star players in the same **** conference we play in.

And while we're at it, while the PAC 12 has not been a powerhouse for some time, let's not pretend that the it is bereft of talent. It's still a P5 conference and Arroyo's offenses put up points just fine with talent on his team that was comparable to the talent they played against.

Again, I'm not sitting here trying to pretend that he's an Offensive savant. Of course there's a lot of other OCs I'd prefer ahead of him.

I'm just saying the dude has no business getting treated like he's Pat Nix or Gattis on this board based on his actual production in putting up points.
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What were the best defenses ranked in the pac while arroyo was there?

Oregon was way more talented than any other team in the pac during the time he was there.

List the defensive rankings for acc teams and pac teams.
 
423Hurricane said:
Anyone can cheery pick information to fit their agenda. On CIS, it’s usually negative information. Just because a particular coach was meh at one place, doesn’t necessarily mean they’d be meh at another place. Countless variables go into whether or not a coach is successful or sucks
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Didnt really answer the question.

So do you think a offense that has been described as vanilla, predictable or looked like a caveman was coaching is a offense that can beat clemson or fsu?
 
For as much some will never agree on the Mario/Arroyo/Herbert debate, one thing that can’t be argued against is that Arroyo inherited a great situation when he took over as the playcaller at Oregon in the weakest defensive conference among the Power 5 at the time.

Oregon’s offense was ranked in the top 20 nationally in both points per game (per ESPN) and yards per play (per NCAA.com) in 2017. Herbert was already a two-year starter and was universally regarded as one of the top returning QB’s in the country before Arroyo became their lone OC.

He inherited a really good offense and they continued to be really good. Many of their fans were vocally opposed to his conservative, plodding pistol having witnessed an astounding 23% of passing plays be designed screens in Herbert’s senior year. You could view it as “they were still really good, so who cares” or you could view it as they kept the Cadillac in the garage and created their own glass ceiling.

Whoever is going to be taking over as our OC is inheriting an absolute s***show of an offense, not an already fine tuned machine. With the money this program is spending now, Arroyo shouldn’t even be a viable consideration. Miami should be the home of innovation and dynamic offense, not the plodding pistol or anything eerily reminiscent of the bulls*** we trotted out a season ago.
 
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crossover22[]_[] said:
Serious question for you.

do you feel CIS could give fans good information on Golden, No D, Gattis, shannon, diaz? Like if fans wanted to know what they were getting with a coach could they trust the information we gave them?

If your answer is yes then why do you believe oregon fans have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Mario or arroyo?
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Depends on the source and the situation. Can we take what CIS’ers see on the field as dependable? Absolutely. There are many good football minds on this site and some that don’t know their *** from a hole in the ground. Most of us know the difference.

As far as coaches are concerned, the same could be said. The big difference between our CIS’ers and another fan base is we know who knows what they’re talking about here. We don’t know any Oregon fans from Adam.

I’ve said many times, the only people that know what’s going on are those directly involved.
 
Rickd said:
No but Joe Brady would inject some unique passing concepts for 3rd down and red zone situations ... you will see when he arrives as soon as Gattis departs.
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Fine with me
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Didnt really answer the question.

So do you think a offense that has been described as vanilla, predictable or looked like a caveman was coaching is a offense that can beat clemson or fsu?
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I honsetly never paid attention to anything Oregon until Mario became a candidate to be our HC and haven’t delved into much since. Most of my knowledge has been anecdotal. What I have said is that one situation doesn’t necessarily translate to another.

We could get Joe Brady and he could suck here. We could get some unknown G5 OC and he could tear it up. Seeing is believing.
 
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My2Sense said:
You can spin it in any way you'd want. By my math, Ruggiero has the most clout of all of the listed OCs here BECAUSE he scored as much as he did with 2 and 3 star players in the same **** conference we play in.

And while we're at it, while the PAC 12 has not been a powerhouse for some time, let's not pretend that the it is bereft of talent. It's still a P5 conference and Arroyo's offenses put up points just fine with talent on his team that was comparable to the talent they played against.

Again, I'm not sitting here trying to pretend that he's an Offensive savant. Of course there's a lot of other OCs I'd prefer ahead of him.

I'm just saying the dude has no business getting treated like he's Pat Nix or Gattis on this board based on his actual production in putting up points.
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All of this! Truth is, with the talent Mario is stacking, Arroyo could receive more praise than he's due and then many on here will think he's Norm Chow in a Latino body. Arroyo might be the right answer for Mario since he's already performed reasonably well under Mario and now he'll have the best talent in the country to call plays for. He needs to just not ***** it up more than he needs to be an Offensive genius if it does end up being him.
 
Cane6 said:
Larry Blustein is senile

Said the next OC that Mario finds will have to adopt and adjust to the Gattis system already in place


Gtfo….. why he is respected is beyond me
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Aight calm down. He’s done more for south Florida football and football players than anyone else down here. And he’s done it without sticking his ******* hand out. There’s a reason NFL stars wanted to help him last year when he slipped into a coma.
 
423Hurricane said:
I honsetly never paid attention to anything Oregon until Mario became a candidate to be our HC and haven’t delved into much since. Most of my knowledge has been anecdotal. What I have said is that one situation doesn’t necessarily translate to another.

We could get Joe Brady and he could suck here. We could get some unknown G5 OC and he could tear it up. Seeing is believing.
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Seeing is believing but you hire based on the knowledge you have.

Who are the offensive coordinators teams like bama, clemson, Georgia, ohio state go out and get?

That who we are supposed to be going after.
 
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