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Cane6 said:
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Hurracanes said:
Yup. More to come, as well.

Coley not happy at A&M. Sounds like he wants to come home. As long as he doesn’t touch OC, I am good with him as a recruiter.
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I'd put him as a WR coach without blinking just because of recruiting.

It don't matter with this pile of **** at OC.
 
Bender said:
No. The pass protection was excellent.
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The line was very much a problem under Lashlee but since he’s not a ******, he didn’t base his entire offense around having a dominant offensive line. A good coach will tailor his scheme to work around the players available. Just look at the difference between the 2020 offense with D’Eriq King and the 2021 offense with TVD.

The garbage staff we currently employ don’t understand adjustment. Gattis and Mario want to “pound the rock, bro” even if the personnel says that’s a terrible idea. Then when it inevitably fails, they blame the lack of talent. They had the whole off season to size up the talent they had and devise a scheme best suited to it. If Gattis couldn’t tell this team was weak on the line months before the season started, then he’s garbage and isn’t suited to coach pee wee football.

Side note: after watching every single lineman regress last year, I have very little faith in Mini Mario’s ability to coach linemen. Assuming guys like Rivers, Clark and Cooper are going to be improved is a huge leap of faith for me.

To me, dominant line is a luxury. It’s great to have one and can only help your offense but if you can’t succeed without it, you’re not a very good coach. You’re just Larry Coker.
 
Rickd said:
Very vague "rumor" that if OBrien leaves Bama to return to the NFL that Saban has already targeted Riley, Garrett, Male as his next OC.
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Theres no if, O'Brien will absolutely leave Bama. He has fulfilled his contract as he promised to do and will leave to New England.
 
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DTP said:
The line was very much a problem under Lashlee but since he’s not a ******, he didn’t base his entire offense around having a dominant offensive line. A good coach will tailor his scheme to work around the players available. Just look at the difference between the 2020 offense with D’Eriq King and the 2021 offense with TVD.

The garbage staff we currently employ don’t understand adjustment. Gattis and Mario want to “pound the rock, bro” even if the personnel says that’s a terrible idea. Then when it inevitably fails, they blame the lack of talent. They had the whole off season to size up the talent they had and devise a scheme best suited to it. If Gattis couldn’t tell this team was weak on the line months before the season started, then he’s garbage and isn’t suited to coach pee wee football.

Side note: after watching every single lineman regress last year, I have very little faith in Mini Mario’s ability to coach linemen. Assuming guys like Rivers, Clark and Cooper are going to be improved is a huge leap of faith for me.

To me, dominant line is a luxury. It’s great to have one and can only help your offense but if you can’t succeed without it, you’re not a very good coach. You’re just Larry Coker.
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Agreed, up until the development thing came up.

I don't think we can accurately measure anyones ability to coach the O-Line given the injury situation we had. We had a healthy O-Line and we gashed Texas A&M for much of the game.
 
DTP said:
The line was very much a problem under Lashlee but since he’s not a ******, he didn’t base his entire offense around having a dominant offensive line. A good coach will tailor his scheme to work around the players available. Just look at the difference between the 2020 offense with D’Eriq King and the 2021 offense with TVD.

The garbage staff we currently employ don’t understand adjustment. Gattis and Mario want to “pound the rock, bro” even if the personnel says that’s a terrible idea. Then when it inevitably fails, they blame the lack of talent. They had the whole off season to size up the talent they had and devise a scheme best suited to it. If Gattis couldn’t tell this team was weak on the line months before the season started, then he’s garbage and isn’t suited to coach pee wee football.

Side note: after watching every single lineman regress last year, I have very little faith in Mini Mario’s ability to coach linemen. Assuming guys like Rivers, Clark and Cooper are going to be improved is a huge leap of faith for me.

To me, dominant line is a luxury. It’s great to have one and can only help your offense but if you can’t succeed without it, you’re not a very good coach. You’re just Larry Coker.
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Agree 1000% with what you said

And what you described is the reason that Spread based offenses were created
 
DTP said:
The line was very much a problem under Lashlee but since he’s not a ******, he didn’t base his entire offense around having a dominant offensive line. A good coach will tailor his scheme to work around the players available. Just look at the difference between the 2020 offense with D’Eriq King and the 2021 offense with TVD.

The garbage staff we currently employ don’t understand adjustment. Gattis and Mario want to “pound the rock, bro” even if the personnel says that’s a terrible idea. Then when it inevitably fails, they blame the lack of talent. They had the whole off season to size up the talent they had and devise a scheme best suited to it. If Gattis couldn’t tell this team was weak on the line months before the season started, then he’s garbage and isn’t suited to coach pee wee football.

Side note: after watching every single lineman regress last year, I have very little faith in Mini Mario’s ability to coach linemen. Assuming guys like Rivers, Clark and Cooper are going to be improved is a huge leap of faith for me.

To me, dominant line is a luxury. It’s great to have one and can only help your offense but if you can’t succeed without it, you’re not a very good coach. You’re just Larry Coker.
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That's a pretty bold statement and will likely have you crucified by many here.....but I'm not sure I totally disagree with you. Mario obviously shares a ton of this blame as well.

I'll just say that this year will be a big year and tell us a lot about the pedigree behind our coaching.
 
COCane4Life said:
Imo if you fire Gattis you have to fire ponce. Your OC needs to be your QB coach. This is a both situation. Hire an OC who coaches QB’s and let the OC bring in a WR coach that knows his system.

Mario fawked up hiring a bunch of random coaches from different systems and expecting 4 coaches that speak different languages to all of sudden be fluent in teaching a language that they don’t even fully know.
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The fact that he thought this would work is pretty scary. He’s been around too long to think you can create a video game coaching staff
 
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COCane4Life said:
Kind of, I would say James Franklin. He was with him well before Moorhead. He only coached with Moorhead for 1-2 years at Penn State. He was with Franklin from 2012-2017 and James Franklin isn’t known as some offensive mastermind.

Regardless, He spent more time with Harbough than Moorhead
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That's fair, I think one thing that drew MC to Gattis was the Moorhead connection.
 
DTP said:
The line was very much a problem under Lashlee but since he’s not a ******, he didn’t base his entire offense around having a dominant offensive line. A good coach will tailor his scheme to work around the players available. Just look at the difference between the 2020 offense with D’Eriq King and the 2021 offense with TVD.

The garbage staff we currently employ don’t understand adjustment. Gattis and Mario want to “pound the rock, bro” even if the personnel says that’s a terrible idea. Then when it inevitably fails, they blame the lack of talent. They had the whole off season to size up the talent they had and devise a scheme best suited to it. If Gattis couldn’t tell this team was weak on the line months before the season started, then he’s garbage and isn’t suited to coach pee wee football.

Side note: after watching every single lineman regress last year, I have very little faith in Mini Mario’s ability to coach linemen. Assuming guys like Rivers, Clark and Cooper are going to be improved is a huge leap of faith for me.

To me, dominant line is a luxury. It’s great to have one and can only help your offense but if you can’t succeed without it, you’re not a very good coach. You’re just Larry Coker.
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Which lineman regressed?
 
well we're still in the dead period so if something is going to happen you'd imagine it happen this week because they ain't doing **** else..... right? lmao
 
Bender said:
Agreed, up until the development thing came up.

I don't think we can accurately measure anyones ability to coach the O-Line given the injury situation we had. We had a healthy O-Line and we gashed Texas A&M for much of the game.
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I won’t push back on that. They did look good against A&M but seemingly fell off a cliff afterwards. I know injuries are part of the blame too. But ****, the guys the brought from Oregon were both hot garbage. Much worse than the guys who were already here. And guys like Campbell and Scaife who had shown some potential in the past looked terrible this year. I guess the goal is to just recruit five stars so you don’t have to worry about improvement as much.
 
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G reg1327 said:
Sort of sums up his offense. A mesh of all these different styles that sounds great on paper, but on the field it’s a master of none situation, with no identity and no cohesiveness.
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At the end of the day, I don’t think Gattis is a bad coach but I do think Gattis is a bad coach for Miami. I like to look at common denominators and eliminate outliers when looking at situations.

What do Penn State and Michigan have in common? Both HC’s are former QB’s and work with that position. They both have called plays and built an offensive system that allows them to plug n play OC’s without drastically changing their offense. The OC adapts to their system and have the ability to make tweaks here and there.

Mario is an Oline guy. He has never called plays and he has never worked with qb’s. Gattis has never worked with qb’s and at his longest stops he didn’t have to because the HC did. Just my opinion but Mario will always need an OC who can recruit and develop QB’s. That should be priority number 1.
 
DTP said:
Campbell, Scaife and Clark were all serviceable in 2021. Not super stars but they held their own, especially in pass protection. All three were terrible in 2022.
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Jcamp didn’t play in 2021
Scaife played a different position
Clark has always been *** he just was better than gaynor lol

I agree with everything u said but oline development is the last thing we should be worried about imo
 
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iowa plays their bowl game on saturday, i guess there's still a part of me that hopes we hear an annoucement next monday that reads "josh gattis leaves miami to take Iowa OC job" . Seems like a mario thing to do to allow him to take another job immediately and the cade mcnamara stuff seems to add up but maybe i'm just being hopeful and optimistic
 
Gi0logy said:
That's a pretty bold statement and will likely have you crucified by many here.....but I'm not sure I totally disagree with you. Mario obviously shares a ton of this blame as well.

I'll just say that this year will be a big year and tell us a lot about the pedigree behind our coaching.
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Mario is technically not a coordinator and doesn’t call plays so I can’t totally blame the offense on him. He is responsible for hiring coordinators though and after a ridiculously long hiring process where he was supposedly being Uber meticulous, we got Josh friggin Gattis.
 
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