Jordan Scarlett update:

[Coach Macho]

He brings up Dillard but forgets to mention we took Duke Johnson, I wondered how he missed that one.

It's not about who we took. You don't get it. SMH

Point is going right over your head.

Actually, yes, it is. So you are saying the coaches should be using their limited recruiting time looking at a kid they don't want or need because they already have someone better?

No, it's not. Some of the schools that came to look at him/offer him didn't "need" a RB. They saw a kid that was a freak athlete and could help on offense, defense and special teams.

 

[Coach Macho]

He brings up Dillard but forgets to mention we took Duke Johnson, I wondered how he missed that one.

It's not about who we took. You don't get it. SMH

Point is going right over your head.

I kinda see both sides here and I genuinely wonder about the organizational/strategic skills of a guy like Carroll. However, it is entirely possible the coaches didn't see Moreau as a RB prospect. He was moved to DB at UCLA. In that class, we got Antonio Crawford, Deon Bush, Rayshawn Jenkins, Nate Dortch, Vernon Davis, Larry Hope, Ladarius Gunter, and Tracy Howard. That's 7 DBs. May even have been 1 corner too many. If (and I cannot confirm) the coaches viewed him as a future Corner, they may have just preferred the other guys.

None of that is to explain why they didn't at least inquire. That is probably an organization/strategy issue.

That's my issue.

 

[dk72]

When there's a 6'0" 185lb 4.38 kid who had 1900 total yards in your backyard then you go take a look. I don't give a **** what high school he goes.

They offered Grooms and Moreau is twice the player he is. He's bigger, faster, better hands, better character, better grades and comes from a better program.

Recruiting is about shaking the tree, not ignoring certain schools cause they don't normally produce D1 athletes. (especially when one of your best Lineman comes from that school) smh

If colleges that would wipe the floor with Miami are offering the kid, it's probably a good idea if Miami atleast takes a look at the young man.

That's not good recruiting.

Which colleges that would "wipe the floor with Miami" offered Fabian Moreau? I looked at his recruiting profiles on Scout, Rivals, and ESPN and didn't see an impressive list of offers.

Really? LOL

Wake Forest and Boston College have always given us trouble, but that's small time.

UCLA would slaughter us, as would Ole Miss.

Vandy would probably beat us too, as would Ohio State.

And Kansas State...well I think we all know what happened there.



Soooooo, yeah.

The "LOL" is on you. Wake and BC don't recruit in the same circles we do, not even close. They take the scraps that the rest of the ACC don't get. UCLA is solid but far from great. They are just now getting better. Ole Miss was pure trash until their recent amazing recruiting class (which has brought up lots of questions). Back then they were a middle of the pack team in terms of recruiting. Vandy? Seriously? Ohio State does not show up on a single of the offer lists from ESPN, Rivals, or Scout.

You act as if Miami was passing up recruiting a Duke Johnson, Dalvin Cook, Sony Michel or Yearby level RB in their area. Moreau isn't in that same discussion, sorry, but he just isn't. His offer list reflects that.

 

[USNAVYCANE]

When there's a 6'0" 185lb 4.38 kid who had 1900 total yards in your backyard then you go take a look. I don't give a **** what high school he goes.

They offered Grooms and Moreau is twice the player he is. He's bigger, faster, better hands, better character, better grades and comes from a better program.

Recruiting is about shaking the tree, not ignoring certain schools cause they don't normally produce D1 athletes. (especially when one of your best Lineman comes from that school) smh

If colleges that would wipe the floor with Miami are offering the kid, it's probably a good idea if Miami atleast takes a look at the young man.

That's not good recruiting.

Which colleges that would "wipe the floor with Miami" offered Fabian Moreau? I looked at his recruiting profiles on Scout, Rivals, and ESPN and didn't see an impressive list of offers.

Really? LOL

Wake Forest and Boston College have always given us trouble, but that's small time.

UCLA would slaughter us, as would Ole Miss.

Vandy would probably beat us too, as would Ohio State.

And Kansas State...well I think we all know what happened there.



Soooooo, yeah.

 

[dk72]

He brings up Dillard but forgets to mention we took Duke Johnson, I wondered how he missed that one.

It's not about who we took. You don't get it. SMH

Point is going right over your head.

Actually, yes, it is. So you are saying the coaches should be using their limited recruiting time looking at a kid they don't want or need because they already have someone better?

No, it's not. Some of the schools that came to look at him/offer him didn't "need" a RB. They saw a kid that was a freak athlete and could help on offense, defense and special teams.

For such as "freak athlete" he certainly wasn't that highly sought after. Almost none of the top quality teams that typically scout and recruit heavily in S. Florida even offered the kid. Not putting the kid down, and I wish him the best, but stop pretending like we ignored a superstar. Because if we did, well, so did a whole host of other teams known for being top recruiters.

 

[dk72]

Guy has a legitimate point whether you agree with him or not. Also, calling a kid you've never met a clown is a little ridiculous. I want the staff looking high and low for the best players. I'm not all that concerned who they are or where they're from

I agree with that point, that no one should be attacking the kid and belittling him. At the same time, his coach needs to stop pretending he was the next coming of Barry Sanders that we somehow overlooked. He is a quality athlete, but was NOT even close to a top level recruit, which his offer sheet testifies to.

 

[fincane]

Ole Miss didn't beat a team with a winning record last year so I don't know how them slaughtering us is a forgone conclusion. Like Grooms playing at Marshall means anything. If he is good enough it won't keep him from getting drafted. The only reason Grooms is at Marshall is because of grades. Lets not act like Grooms wasn't an elite level prospect who's offer list blows Moreau's out of the water. Why go after Grooms and Marshall anyway? You didn't like your kid being called a clown.

 

[Coach Macho]

Pffft. LOL

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A "TOP LEVEL RECRUIT". That's what you people don't get. All he has to be is one of the best players in your backyard, and THAT is what he was at the time. His offer list shows teams that were better than Miami. If teams that are better than Miami are offering a kid then it's atleast a good idea that Miami should LOOK. They didn't even look, that's my point.

They offered Grooms off that same basis. They didn't know what position he was gonna play at Miami, all they knew is that he was an explosive athlete. Same thing with Moreau, only he is bigger and faster.

Nobody is saying he's the next Barry Sanders. That's not the god **** point. That's not how a good staff recruits. Actually, in hindsight, if Miami had offered Moreau he'd be our 2nd string RB right now behind Duke.

Do you people not trust Kansas State's recruiting staff? I sure as **** do. They were one of the first offers to Moreau, and they beat the living **** out of us.

The ONLY reason his offer list isn't even more impressive is because he grew over an inch, gained 30 pounds and dropped more than a tenth off his forty in the off-season. He was a late bloomer, thus his offers came late. Once his film was out (which is 12 minutes of explosive plays) the offers started pouring in.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

They offered Grooms in 2011 when they were scrambling to fill the class after the coaching change. UCLA was scrambling to fill their class in 2012 after a coaching change.

See a pattern?

Anyway, did the kid camp at Miami?

 

[Coach Macho]

Ole Miss didn't beat a team with a winning record last year so I don't know how them slaughtering us is a forgone conclusion. Like Grooms playing at Marshall means anything. If he is good enough it won't keep him from getting drafted. The only reason Grooms is at Marshall is because of grades. Lets not act like Grooms wasn't an elite level prospect who's offer list blows Moreau's out of the water. Why go after Grooms and Marshall anyway? You didn't like your kid being called a clown.

Nobody is attacking Grooms. Moreau was better though. And Miami offered Grooms off the same basis that they should've offered Moreau. (or looked at him I should say)

 

[Coach Macho]

They offered Grooms in 2011 when they were scrambling to fill the class after the coaching change. UCLA was scrambling to fill their class in 2012 after a coaching change.

See a pattern?

Anyway, did the kid camp at Miami?

UCLA wasn't scrambling at all. They loved Moreau despite the fact that they were deep at RB. They saw the athletic potential.

 

[USNAVYCANE]

Ole Miss didn't beat a team with a winning record last year so I don't know how them slaughtering us is a forgone conclusion. Like Grooms playing at Marshall means anything. If he is good enough it won't keep him from getting drafted. The only reason Grooms is at Marshall is because of grades. Lets not act like Grooms wasn't an elite level prospect who's offer list blows Moreau's out of the water. Why go after Grooms and Marshall anyway? You didn't like your kid being called a clown.

Nobody is attacking Grooms. Moreau was better though. And Miami offered Grooms off the same basis that they should've offered Moreau. (or looked at him I should say)

Why didn't UF or FSU **** even USF offer the kid if he was so good?

 

[cowboycane]

When there's a 6'0" 185lb 4.38 kid who had 1900 total yards in your backyard then you go take a look. I don't give a **** what high school he goes.

They offered Grooms and Moreau is twice the player he is. He's bigger, faster, better hands, better character, better grades and comes from a better program.

Recruiting is about shaking the tree, not ignoring certain schools cause they don't normally produce D1 athletes. (especially when one of your best Lineman comes from that school) smh

If colleges that would wipe the floor with Miami are offering the kid, it's probably a good idea if Miami atleast takes a look at the young man.

That's not good recruiting.

Which colleges that would "wipe the floor with Miami" offered Fabian Moreau? I looked at his recruiting profiles on Scout, Rivals, and ESPN and didn't see an impressive list of offers.

Really? LOL

Wake Forest and Boston College have always given us trouble, but that's small time.

UCLA would slaughter us, as would Ole Miss.

Vandy would probably beat us too, as would Ohio State.

And Kansas State...well I think we all know what happened there.



Soooooo, yeah.

Well you took a potentially solid argument and went full potato, soooooooooo yeah.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

They offered Grooms in 2011 when they were scrambling to fill the class after the coaching change. UCLA was scrambling to fill their class in 2012 after a coaching change.

See a pattern?

Anyway, did the kid camp at Miami?

UCLA wasn't scrambling at all. They loved Moreau despite the fact that they were deep at RB. They saw the athletic potential.

Coaching changes almost always result in a school scrambling to fill their class.

Anyway, did he camp at Miami? I'm guessing that's a no, or you don't know, since you won't answer.

 

[USNAVYCANE]

Grooms offer list

School	Interest	Visit	Recruited by
Miami (FL)	COMMITTED (01/17/2011)	01/14/2011
Florida	None	None
Florida St.	None	None	Eddie Gran
Kansas	None	12/03/2010
Kansas St.	None	None
Louisville	None	None
Minnesota	None	None
Mississippi	None	None
Rutgers	None	None	P.J. Fleck
Tennessee	None	None
Virginia Tech	None	None

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[USNAVYCANE]

Fabian Moreau's list

School	Interest	Visit	Recruited by
UCLA	COMMITTED (01/14/2012)	01/06/2012	Noel Mazzone
Illinois	Medium	01/27/2012
Boston Coll.	None	None	Ryan Day
Bryant	None	None
Florida Atlantic	None	None
Florida Intl.	None	None
Indiana	None		None	Brandon Shelby, Deland McCullough
Kansas St.	None	None
Maryland	None		None
Miami (FL)	None		None
Mississippi	None		None
Northwestern	None	None	Marty Long
Stanford	None		None
Vanderbilt	None	None
Wake Forest	None	12/09/2011
Western Ill.	None	None
W. Kentucky	None	None
W. Michigan	None	None

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[fincane]

So if the staff doesn't want him they should recruit him harder because teams that are better want him? Sounds like bad recruiting as well. They took Dillard. They liked him better. He is a different type of running back. Take issue with their evaluation. Not their lack of interest. There appears to be a clear reason why your guy didn't get alot of attention. They got their two running backs. Had plenty of DBs in the fold.

 

[Coach Macho]

How pathetically defensive are some of you people?

I'm giving you a story...one story...from the perspective of a local high school coach who NEVER sees Miami on his campus and you people get all up in arms about it and start attacking me. This is only one story from a coach who works at a school that's ignored by Miami.

Now if you think that's good recruiting then you're clueless. Good recruiters develop relationships at their local high schools, even if they don't normally produce big time talent. You wanna develop a nice relationship so when the time comes that the school does have a great athlete your coaches aren't told to go ***** themselves when they finally show their face.

 

[Coach Macho]

Fabian Moreau's list

School	Interest	Visit	Recruited by
UCLA	COMMITTED (01/14/2012)	01/06/2012	Noel Mazzone
Illinois	Medium	01/27/2012
Boston Coll.	None	None	Ryan Day
Bryant	None	None
Florida Atlantic	None	None
Florida Intl.	None	None
Indiana	None		None	Brandon Shelby, Deland McCullough
Kansas St.	None	None
Maryland	None		None
Miami (FL)	None		None
Mississippi	None		None
Northwestern	None	None	Marty Long
Stanford	None		None
Vanderbilt	None	None
Wake Forest	None	12/09/2011
Western Ill.	None	None
W. Kentucky	None	None
W. Michigan	None	None

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That's not completely accurate.

And again, you guys keep bringing up his offers but that doesn't matter. They didn't even peak at him to find out what level of athlete he was.

 

[dk72]

Ole Miss didn't beat a team with a winning record last year so I don't know how them slaughtering us is a forgone conclusion. Like Grooms playing at Marshall means anything. If he is good enough it won't keep him from getting drafted. The only reason Grooms is at Marshall is because of grades. Lets not act like Grooms wasn't an elite level prospect who's offer list blows Moreau's out of the water. Why go after Grooms and Marshall anyway? You didn't like your kid being called a clown.

Nobody is attacking Grooms. Moreau was better though. And Miami offered Grooms off the same basis that they should've offered Moreau. (or looked at him I should say)

When they offered Grooms he was their only good RB recruit and was filling a need. In 2012 we already had Johnson.

He was also far more highly regarded that Moreau. I guess the Gators and FSU, who also offered Grooms and not Moreau, are similarly questionable in their recruiting.

S. Florida is chock full of great athletes that many top schools never take a closer look at, including Miami. There's not enough time in a year to do so. You are viewing Moreau through Wildcat-colored glasses. That's fine since you coach him and should be looking out for him, but no one else out there, including any of the top schools, seems to have agreed with your assessment that he was such a premiere prospect.