Is everyone off of Morris' jock yet?

[FreePawn]

It is entirely possible for a QB to be dogsh!t one year, and good the next. Go look at Berlin's stats in 2003 compared to 2004. Look at Shaun King from 1996 to 1997 or 1998.

except he's always been dog sh*t. yes, he had a great game against nc state. he had a great drive to tie it up against georgia tech. but that's it. what game has he played that convinces you that he's the real deal? at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board.

LOLWTF?! At this stage of his career, Jacory was tearing thru INT records lik a hot knife thru butter.

i'm talking about career. cumulative work. if you go first 14 starts, jacory blows him out of the water. and his total number of career ints is high, but so are his touchdowns. apparently no one remembers when he got hit about every other play because our line back then makes our line now look like alabama's.

OK, you sig tells me you have an agenda, but I´ll still play along. I don´t give a **** about where they were after their 1st 14 starts. 8 games into their junior seasons, the stats clearly speak for Morris. More importantly, while Morris is not currently stiking fear into the hearts of opponents, at this point in his career, Harris was doing just that with his own fans. I was terrified he´d throw an INT every time he dropped back.

Comparing their 1st 14 starts is totally arbitrary, because it doesn´t factor in a to of stuff. But 8 games into their junior season is more relevant, because they both had/have the same amount of time remaining to improve/regress.

 

[DaU83]

It is entirely possible for a QB to be dogsh!t one year, and good the next. Go look at Berlin's stats in 2003 compared to 2004. Look at Shaun King from 1996 to 1997 or 1998.

except he's always been dog sh*t. yes, he had a great game against nc state. he had a great drive to tie it up against georgia tech. but that's it. what game has he played that convinces you that he's the real deal? at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board.

that's not completely correct.. at this stage in his career, jacory had "about" 2 years of starting under his belt..

i meant in terms of starts. my fault not clarifying that. harris had 2 starts as a freshman and started 12 in his sophomore year.

in their first 14 starts:

Harris: 59.8% completions, 3736 yards, 27 TDs, 18 INTs, TD-INT = 1.5 (Starts: 2008 Charleston Southern and Cal, 2009 Regular Season)
Morris: 56.1% completions, 3375 yards, 15 TDs, 15 INTs, TD-INT = 1 (Starts: 2010 Maryland, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, South Florida, 2011 Maryland, 2012 Regular Season)

someone is inevitably going to point out that harris played in every game his freshman year. this is true, but he only threw more than 8 passes in 4 of the games that he didn't start. the fact is, harris was better in his first 14 starts and he was a year younger than morris.

As you noted, Harris played a ton his freshman year.. he may not have been the guy getting the ball at the beginning of the game, but marve only had 20 or so more pass attempts for the year, not that significant even if you want to say he was "the starter". Jacory was splitting snaps in games and practice.. Jacory was getting all of the significant snaps last year, until the week before the maryland game, then back to starter snaps up until he got hurt. Time as "the guy" really isn't comparable, not only in games but also getting the starter snaps in practice.

I'd be in 100% agreement with you if Morris and Jacory were splitting snaps throughout the season last yer.

 

[SmokeyRone]

nope, still a morris fan. Play calling must get better tho, Fisch trying to do too much

Morris missed a lot of passes tonight. Fisch can't throw it for him.

I thought he was awful

 

[dookie blaylock]

It is entirely possible for a QB to be dogsh!t one year, and good the next. Go look at Berlin's stats in 2003 compared to 2004. Look at Shaun King from 1996 to 1997 or 1998.

except he's always been dog sh*t. yes, he had a great game against nc state. he had a great drive to tie it up against georgia tech. but that's it. what game has he played that convinces you that he's the real deal? at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board.

LOLWTF?! At this stage of his career, Jacory was tearing thru INT records lik a hot knife thru butter.

i'm talking about career. cumulative work. if you go first 14 starts, jacory blows him out of the water. and his total number of career ints is high, but so are his touchdowns. apparently no one remembers when he got hit about every other play because our line back then makes our line now look like alabama's.

OK, you sig tells me you have an agenda, but I´ll still play along. I don´t give a **** about where they were after their 1st 14 starts. 8 games into their junior seasons, the stats clearly speak for Morris. More importantly, while Morris is not currently stiking fear into the hearts of opponents, at this point in his career, Harris was doing just that with his own fans. I was terrified he´d throw an INT every time he dropped back.

Name-comp-att-%-yds-TDs-INTs
Harris 132-245-53.8-1646-14-11
Morris 179-311-57.6-2214-12-7

^ Stats you posted earlier. (morris has 12 tds this year when you account for VT so I fixed that for you)

if you're comparing just junior seasons, morris has played through 9 full games (minus 1 drive against unc) in his junior year. harris got knocked out in the middle of his 8th game. even with 1.5 less games, they aren't much different in completion percentage. morris averaged 246 yards per game vs harris' 223. harris threw 4 more interceptions and 2 more touchdowns. there is no "clear indicator" of anything when you consider that morris had a statistical anomaly against nc state and his offensive line is protecting him far more than the 2009 line could dream of doing.

a more objective comparison would be through their first 7 games if you want to use the junior year route instead of starts.

harris: 56.7%, 223 ypg, 13 TD, 10 INT
morris: 57.5%, 284 ypg, 9 TD, 6 INT

morris and harris are comparable on everything except for yards (and morris' yardage is extremely inflated because of gt and nc state while averaging fewer games). harris' 3 more tds and 3 more ints are a wash.

so by all means, compare junior years if that makes you feel better about our pitiful quarterback situation. if he turns it around next year, i will gladly eat crow and accept whatever verbal ***-kicking that i will deserve, but at this point jacory has him either beat or is pretty much even.

 

[FreePawn]

So, you´ve gone from :

at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board

to:

at this point jacory has him either beat or is pretty much even

.

And there´s no statistical evidence for Jacory being ahead. In fact, in almost all categories Morris is ahead. Much more importantly to me is I don´t want to hide behind the couch every time Morris drops back, scared he´s going to throw it to the opposition. Not includd in any of the stats are all the "nearly" INTs Harris used to gift wrap to the enemy, Morris has had very few of them this year. Morris has also lead some pretty nice comebacks.

Am I happy with Morris play? **** no. Was Harris "better across the board" with 15 games left in his career? **** no.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Pocket Presence - Nope
Touch - Nope
Goes Through Progressions - Nope
Sees The Whole Field - Nope
Quickly Dissects Overages - Nope


He has a great deep ball. That's it.

 

[dookie blaylock]

So, you´ve gone from :

at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board

to:

at this point jacory has him either beat or is pretty much even

.

And there´s no statistical evidence for Jacory being ahead. In fact, in almost all categories Morris is ahead. Much more importantly to me is I don´t want to hide behind the couch every time Morris drops back, scared he´s going to throw it to the opposition. Not includd in any of the stats are all the "nearly" INTs Harris used to gift wrap to the enemy, Morris has had very few of them this year. Morris has also lead some pretty nice comebacks.

Am I happy with Morris play? **** no. Was Harris "better across the board" with 15 games left in his career? **** no.

nice way of taking context out of account. my "across the board" comparison came from my base of first 14 starts. i adjusted to your comparison of just the start of their junior years, and that came up with them "pretty much even." so when anyone says that morris is a clear improvement over harris, they are incorrect. and guess what, "nearly" INTs mean just as much as "nearly" TDs and "nearly" wins. they don't count. statistics also don't account for morris "nearly" throwing a pass somewhere near a receiver's hands or "nearly" hitting the press box with one of his throws or "nearly" keeping a drive going. they're just incompletions. did i cringe a little every time jacory dropped back? **** right i did. i never said he was a good quarterback. i just said he's better than what we've got going now.

and personally i'd take jacory's comeback against florida state in tallahassee 6 times a week and twice on sunday over anything morris has done for us.

 

[dookie blaylock]

It is entirely possible for a QB to be dogsh!t one year, and good the next. Go look at Berlin's stats in 2003 compared to 2004. Look at Shaun King from 1996 to 1997 or 1998.

except he's always been dog sh*t. yes, he had a great game against nc state. he had a great drive to tie it up against georgia tech. but that's it. what game has he played that convinces you that he's the real deal? at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board.

that's not completely correct.. at this stage in his career, jacory had "about" 2 years of starting under his belt..

i meant in terms of starts. my fault not clarifying that. harris had 2 starts as a freshman and started 12 in his sophomore year.

in their first 14 starts:

Harris: 59.8% completions, 3736 yards, 27 TDs, 18 INTs, TD-INT = 1.5 (Starts: 2008 Charleston Southern and Cal, 2009 Regular Season)
Morris: 56.1% completions, 3375 yards, 15 TDs, 15 INTs, TD-INT = 1 (Starts: 2010 Maryland, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, South Florida, 2011 Maryland, 2012 Regular Season)

someone is inevitably going to point out that harris played in every game his freshman year. this is true, but he only threw more than 8 passes in 4 of the games that he didn't start. the fact is, harris was better in his first 14 starts and he was a year younger than morris.

As you noted, Harris played a ton his freshman year.. he may not have been the guy getting the ball at the beginning of the game, but marve only had 20 or so more pass attempts for the year, not that significant even if you want to say he was "the starter". Jacory was splitting snaps in games and practice.. Jacory was getting all of the significant snaps last year, until the week before the maryland game, then back to starter snaps up until he got hurt. Time as "the guy" really isn't comparable, not only in games but also getting the starter snaps in practice.

I'd be in 100% agreement with you if Morris and Jacory were splitting snaps throughout the season last yer.

i can do this again if you want me to compare their first given amount of games when throwing 20+ passes, but it will make morris look worse when you consider jacory was a freshman and sophomore. i mean i'll even compare jacory's first 9 games with 20+ throws to morris' junior year if you really want to make him look bad.

 

[DaU83]

except he's always been dog sh*t. yes, he had a great game against nc state. he had a great drive to tie it up against georgia tech. but that's it. what game has he played that convinces you that he's the real deal? at this stage in his career, jacory was better across the board.

that's not completely correct.. at this stage in his career, jacory had "about" 2 years of starting under his belt..

i meant in terms of starts. my fault not clarifying that. harris had 2 starts as a freshman and started 12 in his sophomore year.

in their first 14 starts:

Harris: 59.8% completions, 3736 yards, 27 TDs, 18 INTs, TD-INT = 1.5 (Starts: 2008 Charleston Southern and Cal, 2009 Regular Season)
Morris: 56.1% completions, 3375 yards, 15 TDs, 15 INTs, TD-INT = 1 (Starts: 2010 Maryland, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, South Florida, 2011 Maryland, 2012 Regular Season)

someone is inevitably going to point out that harris played in every game his freshman year. this is true, but he only threw more than 8 passes in 4 of the games that he didn't start. the fact is, harris was better in his first 14 starts and he was a year younger than morris.

As you noted, Harris played a ton his freshman year.. he may not have been the guy getting the ball at the beginning of the game, but marve only had 20 or so more pass attempts for the year, not that significant even if you want to say he was "the starter". Jacory was splitting snaps in games and practice.. Jacory was getting all of the significant snaps last year, until the week before the maryland game, then back to starter snaps up until he got hurt. Time as "the guy" really isn't comparable, not only in games but also getting the starter snaps in practice.

I'd be in 100% agreement with you if Morris and Jacory were splitting snaps throughout the season last yer.

i can do this again if you want me to compare their first given amount of games when throwing 20+ passes, but it will make morris look worse when you consider jacory was a freshman and sophomore. i mean i'll even compare jacory's first 9 games with 20+ throws to morris' junior year if you really want to make him look bad.

The point is that harris, by his first year as the sole starter, had A LOT of real game and practice snaps. Morris did not.. in fact i'd say to compare properly, you'd have to compare morris' Sr. year to Jacory's Junior year to get a "closer" comparison.

 

[drifters1234]

Like I've said, he will lead us further than any QB since Brock and he'll be an NFL player.

Absent significant progress, I'll be shocked if he is an nfl qb. Will be interesting to watch.

 

[dookie blaylock]

that's not completely correct.. at this stage in his career, jacory had "about" 2 years of starting under his belt..

i meant in terms of starts. my fault not clarifying that. harris had 2 starts as a freshman and started 12 in his sophomore year.

in their first 14 starts:

Harris: 59.8% completions, 3736 yards, 27 TDs, 18 INTs, TD-INT = 1.5 (Starts: 2008 Charleston Southern and Cal, 2009 Regular Season)
Morris: 56.1% completions, 3375 yards, 15 TDs, 15 INTs, TD-INT = 1 (Starts: 2010 Maryland, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, South Florida, 2011 Maryland, 2012 Regular Season)

someone is inevitably going to point out that harris played in every game his freshman year. this is true, but he only threw more than 8 passes in 4 of the games that he didn't start. the fact is, harris was better in his first 14 starts and he was a year younger than morris.

As you noted, Harris played a ton his freshman year.. he may not have been the guy getting the ball at the beginning of the game, but marve only had 20 or so more pass attempts for the year, not that significant even if you want to say he was "the starter". Jacory was splitting snaps in games and practice.. Jacory was getting all of the significant snaps last year, until the week before the maryland game, then back to starter snaps up until he got hurt. Time as "the guy" really isn't comparable, not only in games but also getting the starter snaps in practice.

I'd be in 100% agreement with you if Morris and Jacory were splitting snaps throughout the season last yer.

i can do this again if you want me to compare their first given amount of games when throwing 20+ passes, but it will make morris look worse when you consider jacory was a freshman and sophomore. i mean i'll even compare jacory's first 9 games with 20+ throws to morris' junior year if you really want to make him look bad.

The point is that harris, by his first year as the sole starter, had A LOT of real game and practice snaps. Morris did not.. in fact i'd say to compare properly, you'd have to compare morris' Sr. year to Jacory's Junior year to get a "closer" comparison.

Morris had 5 actual (full-game) starts before he was the sole starter this year and played almost an entire bowl game. he also played most of the 2010 virginia game and took snaps in 4 others last year. he's had plenty of experience.

 

[SpikeUM]

While I agree that Morris has been disappointing the last few games, Fisch has been awful on many levels. Beyond the play calling, the personnel decisions made no sense.

 

[DiegoCane]

Fwiw Morris wasn't even taking snaps with the 1st or 2nd team offense when he was thrust into the starting roll his FR. Great QB depth that year. Harris, guy who could play at UMass, true Fr Morris

 

[UMFarArcher]

Look. As it stands RIGHT NOW, Morris will the the QB this year and next year. He's as reliable as a two-dollar pistol.

Let's take a bowl ban this year as even if we get to a bowl game with the way we're playing - it's likely going to be one big disappointment.

Take a ban, that crap is over, and hopefully Olsen will light it up as a redshirt freshman.

 

[Biscuits]

If anyone who actually watched the game didn't like what they saw out of Morris in the first half, they don't deserve a voice on this forum.

Dude made some great throws, and *gasp* some great reads.

Then he went out and **** the bed in the third quarter. That's on him and Fisch, who refuses to run the ball two times in a row.

 

[G Reg3rdLeg]

How come no one is comparing each QB's junior seasons? That seems relatively fair to me as they both had experience prior to their junior year and were both in the 2nd year of the system with their offensive coordinator.

Through 9 games in their Junior years:
Harris 132-245 54% completion 1646 yards 14 TD 11 INT 2 Rushing TD
Morris 192-339 56% completion 2384 yards 12 TD 7 INT 1 Rushing TD

There is not a huge difference but it appears that Morris is slightly better. Coupled with a stronger arm and more athleticism I would say he is the superior option.

I find it interesting because I remember in 2010 we were all *****ing about how much we threw the ball, but we are throwing the ball a ton more this year.

 

[dookie blaylock]

How come no one is comparing each QB's junior seasons? That seems relatively fair to me as they both had experience prior to their junior year and were both in the 2nd year of the system with their offensive coordinator.

Through 9 games in their Junior years:
Harris 132-245 54% completion 1646 yards 14 TD 11 INT 2 Rushing TD
Morris 192-339 56% completion 2384 yards 12 TD 7 INT 1 Rushing TD

There is not a huge difference but it appears that Morris is slightly better. Coupled with a stronger arm and more athleticism I would say he is the superior option.

I find it interesting because I remember in 2010 we were all ****ing about how much we threw the ball, but we are throwing the ball a ton more this year.

read back a bit. i already did the comparison of their junior seasons. remember that harris was knocked out in the middle of his 8th game, so a comparison of their first 7 games is a better assessment if you want to compare the progression through their junior years. they're pretty much even in all categories but yards, and that's because morris had a 1000 yards in 2 games (statistical anomaly to say the least).

i based my original comparison and criticism on starts because every morris apologist has been harping on his lack of starts as the reason for his inconsistency. bottom line is that he's started 14 games, is 9 games into his junior year, and is still subpar.

 

[dookie blaylock]

If anyone who actually watched the game didn't like what they saw out of Morris in the first half, they don't deserve a voice on this forum.

Dude made some great throws, and *gasp* some great reads.

Then he went out and **** the bed in the third quarter. That's on him and Fisch, who refuses to run the ball two times in a row.

when were we remotely successful in running the ball? we ran 28 times for 157. if you take away duke's 65 and 21 yard runs, we averaged 2.7 yards per carry on 26 rushes. it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. you can run the ball and get less than 3 yards or you can put the ball into our terrible quarterback's hands. fisch is in a no-win situation.

 

[G Reg3rdLeg]

How come no one is comparing each QB's junior seasons? That seems relatively fair to me as they both had experience prior to their junior year and were both in the 2nd year of the system with their offensive coordinator.

Through 9 games in their Junior years:
Harris 132-245 54% completion 1646 yards 14 TD 11 INT 2 Rushing TD
Morris 192-339 56% completion 2384 yards 12 TD 7 INT 1 Rushing TD

There is not a huge difference but it appears that Morris is slightly better. Coupled with a stronger arm and more athleticism I would say he is the superior option.

I find it interesting because I remember in 2010 we were all ****ing about how much we threw the ball, but we are throwing the ball a ton more this year.

read back a bit. i already did the comparison of their junior seasons. remember that harris was knocked out in the middle of his 8th game, so a comparison of their first 7 games is a better assessment if you want to compare the progression through their junior years. they're pretty much even in all categories but yards, and that's because morris had a 1000 yards in 2 games (statistical anomaly to say the least).

i based my original comparison and criticism on starts because every morris apologist has been harping on his lack of starts as the reason for his inconsistency. bottom line is that he's started 14 games, is 9 games into his junior year, and is still subpar.

Sorry thought it was the 9th game he got knocked out. But let's not forget when Jacory came back from that injury his stats took a huge dive so assuming Morris doesn't melt down he will have had a better year statistically. If he can make a similar improvement Jacory made going into his senior year he could be really special next year.

While I agree Morris certainly hasn't been spectacular, he has been far from terrible. His accuracy is erratic at times and can be really frustrating to watch. Jacory lost several games almost completely by himself with binge turnovers. Morris hasn't had that propensity. Give me a QB who makes less big plays and less costly mistakes, then one who makes more big plays and more big mistakes.

 

[dookie blaylock]

How come no one is comparing each QB's junior seasons? That seems relatively fair to me as they both had experience prior to their junior year and were both in the 2nd year of the system with their offensive coordinator.

Through 9 games in their Junior years:
Harris 132-245 54% completion 1646 yards 14 TD 11 INT 2 Rushing TD
Morris 192-339 56% completion 2384 yards 12 TD 7 INT 1 Rushing TD

There is not a huge difference but it appears that Morris is slightly better. Coupled with a stronger arm and more athleticism I would say he is the superior option.

I find it interesting because I remember in 2010 we were all ****ing about how much we threw the ball, but we are throwing the ball a ton more this year.

read back a bit. i already did the comparison of their junior seasons. remember that harris was knocked out in the middle of his 8th game, so a comparison of their first 7 games is a better assessment if you want to compare the progression through their junior years. they're pretty much even in all categories but yards, and that's because morris had a 1000 yards in 2 games (statistical anomaly to say the least).

i based my original comparison and criticism on starts because every morris apologist has been harping on his lack of starts as the reason for his inconsistency. bottom line is that he's started 14 games, is 9 games into his junior year, and is still subpar.

Sorry thought it was the 9th game he got knocked out. But let's not forget when Jacory came back from that injury his stats took a huge dive so assuming Morris doesn't melt down he will have had a better year statistically. If he can make a similar improvement Jacory made going into his senior year he could be really special next year.

While I agree Morris certainly hasn't been spectacular, he has been far from terrible. His accuracy is erratic at times and can be really frustrating to watch. Jacory lost several games almost completely by himself with binge turnovers. Morris hasn't had that propensity. Give me a QB who makes less big plays and less costly mistakes, then one who makes more big plays and more big mistakes.

all of my criticism of morris aside, i want him to do well. if he comes out and has the turnaround that jacory had his senior year, i will happily eat a big fat plate of crow. he has the physical tools, but what's worrisome is that he has regressed the way he has. after his big game against nc state, he passed for 201 against notre dame, 155 against unc, 223 against fsu, and 170 against virginia tech. that's 187.3 yards per game and had 3 TDs and 3 INTs in those 4 games. take away the garbage time drives against notre dame (57 yards) and florida state (73 yards and TD), and he's averaging 154 yards per game to go along with 2 TDs and 3 INTs. that's not cutting it.