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If You Had A Choice To Pick The New HC If Al Leaves

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TommyCanes said:
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Imagine that with SFLA athletes. :eekeyes:
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I remember when UM played Loserville about 10 years ago at the OB when Shannon was regarded very highly as a DC, and we were still rolling. Petrino brought a freshmans backup QB (Brohm) into the OB, and he absolutely toyed with Shannon for 4 quarters. Receivers were wide open the entire night. It looked like a Goldens defense out there, and this was when we were still riding high.

From that point on, I dreamt of what OG could do here with the talent he'd have access to. Holy **** he'd kill here. That gift is sitting there waiting for us to grab him.
 
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My sentimentality makes me want to say Butch, but my want to win A.S.A.-******-P. and my memories of 'Botch' on game day tip the scales in favor of endless soup, salad, and breadsticks.
 
When it comes to Petrino versus Butch it's really two different concepts of what we want.

Butch is a guy that will come in here next year and probably win less games than this year. He'd rebuild what is still a poor foundation, using his incredible talent as an evaluator, recruiter and and most critically developer. That means it's not a quick fix. However, what ends up happening is down the road you have a million first rounders on your team, with endless depth. He could leave in four years and the next coach could carry what he built for another four years. But he's not going to win next year, and maybe not even in 2015.

Petrino is basically the exact opposite. He probably does decently in year one, but by year two we'd likely be one of the nations best offenses. His skill is he is an incredible schematic mind, but his gift (like saban) is his ability to get kids to understand his mind (scheme). He'd have us winning at the latest by 2015. But he is also much more likely to leave, and when he does, he is not the kind of guy that won by building a program. Everywhere he left, the following years the team was terrible, b/c he teaches to HIS brilliant system, and without him the kids are lost. So if he were to leave for any reason, you are probably looking at a significant rebuild.

I voted for Petrino b/c this program has been rebuilding for 10 years. We've been "recruiting and setting a foundation" forever. At some point, maybe it makes sense to try to win as quickly and aggressively as possible, and stop worrying about rebuilding.

Dantonio and Schiano are kind of in between. I think theyd both win sooner than Butch, but not bigger than Petrino.

I'm as big a Butch fan as there is. Love the guy. But I'll take the Penne A La Vodka.
 
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GoldenShowers said:
When it comes to Petrino versus Butch it's really two different concepts of what we want.

Butch is a guy that will come in here next year and probably win less games than this year. He'd rebuild what is still a poor foundation, using his incredible talent as an evaluator, recruiter and and most critically developer. That means it's not a quick fix. However, what ends up happening is down the road you have a million first rounders on your team, with endless depth. He could leave in four years and the next coach could carry what he built for another four years. But he's not going to win next year, and maybe not even in 2015.

Petrino is basically the exact opposite. He probably does decently in year one, but by year two we'd likely be one of the nations best offenses. His skill is he is an incredible schematic mind, but his gift (like saban) is his ability to get kids to understand his mind (scheme). He'd have us winning at the latest by 2015. But he is also much more likely to leave, and when he does, he is not the kind of guy that won by building a program. Everywhere he left, the following years the team was terrible, b/c he teaches to HIS brilliant system, and without him the kids are lost. So if he were to leave for any reason, you are probably looking at a significant rebuild.

I voted for Petrino b/c this program has been rebuilding for 10 years. We've been "recruiting and setting a foundation" forever. At some point, maybe it makes sense to try to win as quickly and aggressively as possible, and stop worrying about rebuilding.

Dantonio and Schiano are kind of in between. I think theyd both win sooner than Butch, but not bigger than Petrino.

I'm as big a Butch fan as there is. Love the guy. But I'll take the Penne A La Vodka.
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I was going to post something similar to this but you nailed it. I'd still take Butch though.
 
GoldenShowers said:
When it comes to Petrino versus Butch it's really two different concepts of what we want.

Butch is a guy that will come in here next year and probably win less games than this year. He'd rebuild what is still a poor foundation, using his incredible talent as an evaluator, recruiter and and most critically developer. That means it's not a quick fix. However, what ends up happening is down the road you have a million first rounders on your team, with endless depth. He could leave in four years and the next coach could carry what he built for another four years. But he's not going to win next year, and maybe not even in 2015.

Petrino is basically the exact opposite. He probably does decently in year one, but by year two we'd likely be one of the nations best offenses. His skill is he is an incredible schematic mind, but his gift (like saban) is his ability to get kids to understand his mind (scheme). He'd have us winning at the latest by 2015. But he is also much more likely to leave, and when he does, he is not the kind of guy that won by building a program. Everywhere he left, the following years the team was terrible, b/c he teaches to HIS brilliant system, and without him the kids are lost. So if he were to leave for any reason, you are probably looking at a significant rebuild.

I voted for Petrino b/c this program has been rebuilding for 10 years. We've been "recruiting and setting a foundation" forever. At some point, maybe it makes sense to try to win as quickly and aggressively as possible, and stop worrying about rebuilding.

Dantonio and Schiano are kind of in between. I think theyd both win sooner than Butch, but not bigger than Petrino.

I'm as big a Butch fan as there is. Love the guy. But I'll take the Penne A La Vodka.
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If it comes down to this then you take Butch. Sorry but Petrino is 3 years and done and then we look like Arkansas...ugh...get Butch and a competent HC in waiting...Cristobal...Coley...Dorsey..Orgeron.... Someone who can take the reigns of a stock piled roster in 4-5 years and maxamize the talent Butch amassed.
 
HurricaneGlory said:
Franklin is levels above Al, but I'm all in on OG Bobbie and Butch
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And why is that? BC his agent puts his name out for every gig, yet he seemingly gets passed over for them all? Allow me to dissect this fraud's two 9-4 seasons at Vandy:

2012:
-He lost to every ranked team he played, including blowouts to the two top ten teams he played. Losses were USCe, Northwestern, UGA, and UF.
-His wins (followed by the record of the team he beat) were: Presbytarian (FCS school), Mizzou (5-7), AU (3-9), Umass, UK (2-10), Ole Miss (7-6), Tenn (5-7), Wake (5-7), and NCState (7-6). He beat a grand total of TWO winning BCS level schools.

2013: He lost to every ranked team he played except UGA (whose entire team was in the hospital), including massive blowouts to both top ten teams he played. Losses were aTm, Mizzou, USCe, and Ole Miss.
-His wins: Austen Peay, UMass, UAB, UGA (8-5), UF (4-8), UK (2-10), Tenn (5-7), Wake, (4-8), and Houston. He beat a GRAND TOTAL ONE BCS LEVEL SCHOOL WITH A WINNING RECORD.

3 wins against winning BCS level opponents in your 2nd and 3rd year, after you were a coordinator at middling mediocre programs for a grand total of 3 years, doesn't qualify you for ANY of the gigs he gets mentioned. And not surprisingly, depsite being on every list, he hasn't been hired by USC/Texas/PSU.

The guy is the exact same thing as AG. Smart, great speaker/motivator, great recruiter, young, high energy, great salesman. But he's no better than an average football coach. Yes he was in the SEC. And the only teams with winning records he has beaten (after his 6-7 first year) were Ole Miss, NC State, and the injured reserve version of UGA.

Does that sound like a guy you want to not only bring to Miami, but also have to pay OVER 3 MILLION dollars to get? Dude's probably the biggest fraud in college right now.
 
Btw, I would seriously consider the successful NFL coordinator route. Might be good to change it up. Steve Spagnuolo was a SB champ DC, insane pedigree, learned under a legend, was a failed HC with the rams, high energy guy. Del Rio likely gets a HC NFL gig but he's also got the resume. USC rebuilt this way, we originally built this way. Find a real football guy with charisma. I'd love to see us pull a Sam Jancovich this time.
 
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He is coaching Vanderbilt, which is in the SEC. Vandy has played in 4 bowls in its entire history, Franklin was the coach in three of them. Have you seen Vandy play? Say what you want about Franklin, but Vandy plays with an edge and the players believe in him. Plus, his personality and energy would be a perfect fit for the U. Looking at Miami history, the best coaches of have done well recently was coaches who young, driven, had a chip on their shoulder, and were ambitious who saw Miami as a stepping stone. Miami is job, where you either hit it big or hit it wrong. Plus, Franklin can recruit, last year he had 19th ranked recruiting class at Vanderbilt, which is in the SEC. Looking at the players who signed with candy, they had offers from other top SEC schools, and yet they went to Vanderbilt. Florida and UGA should beat Vanderbilt, and Florida should always beat Vandy at home.

James Franklin at Miami would be the perfect fit.
 
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Butch! The guy assembled a team while under sanctions that should have three-peated 2000-2001-2002. Nuff said.
 
GoldenShowers said:
When it comes to Petrino versus Butch it's really two different concepts of what we want.

Butch is a guy that will come in here next year and probably win less games than this year. He'd rebuild what is still a poor foundation, using his incredible talent as an evaluator, recruiter and and most critically developer. That means it's not a quick fix. However, what ends up happening is down the road you have a million first rounders on your team, with endless depth. He could leave in four years and the next coach could carry what he built for another four years. But he's not going to win next year, and maybe not even in 2015.

Petrino is basically the exact opposite. He probably does decently in year one, but by year two we'd likely be one of the nations best offenses. His skill is he is an incredible schematic mind, but his gift (like saban) is his ability to get kids to understand his mind (scheme). He'd have us winning at the latest by 2015. But he is also much more likely to leave, and when he does, he is not the kind of guy that won by building a program. Everywhere he left, the following years the team was terrible, b/c he teaches to HIS brilliant system, and without him the kids are lost. So if he were to leave for any reason, you are probably looking at a significant rebuild.

I voted for Petrino b/c this program has been rebuilding for 10 years. We've been "recruiting and setting a foundation" forever. At some point, maybe it makes sense to try to win as quickly and aggressively as possible, and stop worrying about rebuilding.

Dantonio and Schiano are kind of in between. I think theyd both win sooner than Butch, but not bigger than Petrino.

I'm as big a Butch fan as there is. Love the guy. But I'll take the Penne A La Vodka.
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Great post GS....however; you are wrong about the state of programs after Petrino leaves.

Louisville has been just fine.

Arkansas sucks because they hired another fat loser from the BIG 10 who thinks its 1992.
 
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I think you can get Petrino for at least 5 years.

The guy would be like a pig in **** down here.

He has never had a WR close to as good as Coley or a RB like Duke.

Maybe the guy will be loyal to the program that gives him another chance.
 
GoldenShowers said:
Btw, I would seriously consider the successful NFL coordinator route. Might be good to change it up. Steve Spagnuolo was a SB champ DC, insane pedigree, learned under a legend, was a failed HC with the rams, high energy guy. Del Rio likely gets a HC NFL gig but he's also got the resume. USC rebuilt this way, we originally built this way. Find a real football guy with charisma. I'd love to see us pull a Sam Jancovich this time.
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Spagnuolo is an interesting candidate. Has he shown any interest in moving to the college ranks?
 
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