If You Had A Choice To Pick The New HC If Al Leaves

[nyibis]

This is the same list that rose when Shannon was on his way out.

This list is about as imaginative as our current football offense and defense.
There has to be a better list.
I am not that knowledgeable with football coach names, other than the ones that are currently successful at other schools and will never be considered here, but there has to be a better wish list.

I think if we switched coaching staffs with even Duke we beat them, likewise with Louisville and Central Florida, and these aren't even the elite teams.

Please let there be the right coach for us out there somewhere.

GO CANES!!!

 

[treedaddy]

How bout either:

Petrino as head coach, grooming coley for the spot with butch as dc and asst head coach, with the understanding that if coley or Petrino bolt in the next 2-3 years we still have continuity, or

Butch as head coach ( and as dc) with Petrino as asst head coach grooming coley wth the same understanding

Due to their perceived troubled pasts we might be able to get both. Just imagine butch's talent evaluation and defense, coley's recruiting prowess and continued development as an OC, under Petrino's tutelage.

Insane possibilities

 

[MedleyCane]

When it comes to Petrino versus Butch it's really two different concepts of what we want.

Butch is a guy that will come in here next year and probably win less games than this year. He'd rebuild what is still a poor foundation, using his incredible talent as an evaluator, recruiter and and most critically developer. That means it's not a quick fix. However, what ends up happening is down the road you have a million first rounders on your team, with endless depth. He could leave in four years and the next coach could carry what he built for another four years. But he's not going to win next year, and maybe not even in 2015.

Petrino is basically the exact opposite. He probably does decently in year one, but by year two we'd likely be one of the nations best offenses. His skill is he is an incredible schematic mind, but his gift (like saban) is his ability to get kids to understand his mind (scheme). He'd have us winning at the latest by 2015. But he is also much more likely to leave, and when he does, he is not the kind of guy that won by building a program. Everywhere he left, the following years the team was terrible, b/c he teaches to HIS brilliant system, and without him the kids are lost. So if he were to leave for any reason, you are probably looking at a significant rebuild.

I voted for Petrino b/c this program has been rebuilding for 10 years. We've been "recruiting and setting a foundation" forever. At some point, maybe it makes sense to try to win as quickly and aggressively as possible, and stop worrying about rebuilding.

Dantonio and Schiano are kind of in between. I think theyd both win sooner than Butch, but not bigger than Petrino.

I'm as big a Butch fan as there is. Love the guy. But I'll take the Penne A La Vodka.

Good stuff!

 

[OBLIVION]

****.....people want them some Butch Davis. I wouldn't mind him, but only if Bobby P turned us down.

 

[The Franchise]

http://smartfootball.com/passing/bo...ts-routes-and-protection#sthash.7LMsEaXQ.dpbs

Imagine that with SFLA athletes. :eekeyes:

I remember when UM played Loserville about 10 years ago at the OB when Shannon was regarded very highly as a DC, and we were still rolling. Petrino brought a freshmans backup QB (Brohm) into the OB, and he absolutely toyed with Shannon for 4 quarters. Receivers were wide open the entire night. It looked like a Goldens defense out there, and this was when we were still riding high.

From that point on, I dreamt of what OG could do here with the talent he'd have access to. Holy **** he'd kill here. That gift is sitting there waiting for us to grab him.

Actually their senior QB. LeFors carved us up, and then got hurt with them up 31-27 and didn't come back in and Brohm finished the game.

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

 

[Notsince1985]

http://smartfootball.com/passing/bo...ts-routes-and-protection#sthash.7LMsEaXQ.dpbs

Imagine that with SFLA athletes. :eekeyes:

I remember when UM played Loserville about 10 years ago at the OB when Shannon was regarded very highly as a DC, and we were still rolling. Petrino brought a freshmans backup QB (Brohm) into the OB, and he absolutely toyed with Shannon for 4 quarters. Receivers were wide open the entire night. It looked like a Goldens defense out there, and this was when we were still riding high.

From that point on, I dreamt of what OG could do here with the talent he'd have access to. Holy **** he'd kill here. That gift is sitting there waiting for us to grab him.

Actually their senior QB. LeFors carved us up, and then got hurt with them up 31-27 and didn't come back in and Brohm finished the game.

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

He didn't. LeFors did. We knocked his *** out either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th. They didn't miss a beat when Brohm came in though. Funny thing, we knocked Brohm's *** out of the '06 game, and Cantwell came in and didn't miss a beat and raped us too.

LeFors was 17-22 for 242 with 3 TD and 0 INT
Brohm was 7-12 for 51 with 0 TD and 1 INT (on the last play of the game)

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

http://smartfootball.com/passing/bo...ts-routes-and-protection#sthash.7LMsEaXQ.dpbs

Imagine that with SFLA athletes. :eekeyes:

I remember when UM played Loserville about 10 years ago at the OB when Shannon was regarded very highly as a DC, and we were still rolling. Petrino brought a freshmans backup QB (Brohm) into the OB, and he absolutely toyed with Shannon for 4 quarters. Receivers were wide open the entire night. It looked like a Goldens defense out there, and this was when we were still riding high.

From that point on, I dreamt of what OG could do here with the talent he'd have access to. Holy **** he'd kill here. That gift is sitting there waiting for us to grab him.

Actually their senior QB. LeFors carved us up, and then got hurt with them up 31-27 and didn't come back in and Brohm finished the game.

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

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[The Franchise]

Petrino will NEVER be the HC for a major college program for a few more years.

Yes, he's a great football mind.

Yes. He's a public relations nightmare.

Couldn't disagree more...his time is coming and if not with us someone is going to snatch him up soon.

He is HANDS DOWN the best HC out there. I don't even call hiring him "taking a chance" cause as I've said before, the combination of his scheme/gameplanning with south florida calibre talent would be lethal.

I'll gladly take every public relations nightmare which has ever been imagined in return for having this guy coach my Canes. We've had 3 **** poor hires in a row...it's time to swing for the fences.

Too many people live scared, and it stops them from making big power moves. Those people are commonly referred to modern parlance as losers. Like we've been saying, someone will snap up Petrino, and he will KILL football for them. It'll probably wind up being uf.aag after they fire Muschump.

 

[The Franchise]

http://northcarolina.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=216&tid=169943520&mid=169943520&sid=941&style=2

Seems UNC fans are worried if Butch comes back to UM...

You know the saddest part about that? That UNC isn't worried about us RIGHT NOW. UNC should ALWAYS be worried about us. They should have cold sweat tricking down their brow thinking about what we're going to do to them.

It's sickening to me that our last 3 corches have leveled the playing field with them to the point that they're worried about us potentially hiring someone that might scare them.

 

[WestEndZone]

I like Butch but he's been out of the game for a long time. One the one hand, he's also 62 -- you need energy to keep up with recruiting, but on the other hand, Bill Snyder came back to the game after a while and had success. Butch might work, but he's not be a long term solution for us.

Do we need a long term solution? Maybe not. We could bring in Butch to establish things and teach Coley the ropes. The ultimate solution for us, in my opinion, would be Coley. He's young and talented (in terms or recruiting). I assume he could take over things in 4-6 years.

With AG out the door we have a crystal clear view of the real problem, Donna Shalala. As long as she's influencing coaching hires, we're not going to succeed. I'm not expecting anything from this next coaching hire. She'll find a way to **** it up again.

 

[The Franchise]

http://smartfootball.com/passing/bo...ts-routes-and-protection#sthash.7LMsEaXQ.dpbs

Imagine that with SFLA athletes. :eekeyes:

I remember when UM played Loserville about 10 years ago at the OB when Shannon was regarded very highly as a DC, and we were still rolling. Petrino brought a freshmans backup QB (Brohm) into the OB, and he absolutely toyed with Shannon for 4 quarters. Receivers were wide open the entire night. It looked like a Goldens defense out there, and this was when we were still riding high.

From that point on, I dreamt of what OG could do here with the talent he'd have access to. Holy **** he'd kill here. That gift is sitting there waiting for us to grab him.

Actually their senior QB. LeFors carved us up, and then got hurt with them up 31-27 and didn't come back in and Brohm finished the game.

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

He didn't. LeFors did. We knocked his *** out either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th. They didn't miss a beat when Brohm came in though. Funny thing, we knocked Brohm's *** out of the '06 game, and Cantwell came in and didn't miss a beat and raped us too.

LeFors was 17-22 for 242 with 3 TD and 0 INT
Brohm was 7-12 for 51 with 0 TD and 1 INT (on the last play of the game)

Consider me owned. I could have sworn Brohm played more snaps in that game than LeFors.

 

[Notsince1985]

I remember when UM played Loserville about 10 years ago at the OB when Shannon was regarded very highly as a DC, and we were still rolling. Petrino brought a freshmans backup QB (Brohm) into the OB, and he absolutely toyed with Shannon for 4 quarters. Receivers were wide open the entire night. It looked like a Goldens defense out there, and this was when we were still riding high.

From that point on, I dreamt of what OG could do here with the talent he'd have access to. Holy **** he'd kill here. That gift is sitting there waiting for us to grab him.

Actually their senior QB. LeFors carved us up, and then got hurt with them up 31-27 and didn't come back in and Brohm finished the game.

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

He didn't. LeFors did. We knocked his *** out either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th. They didn't miss a beat when Brohm came in though. Funny thing, we knocked Brohm's *** out of the '06 game, and Cantwell came in and didn't miss a beat and raped us too.

LeFors was 17-22 for 242 with 3 TD and 0 INT
Brohm was 7-12 for 51 with 0 TD and 1 INT (on the last play of the game)

Consider me owned. I could have sworn Brohm played more snaps in that game than LeFors.

I remember it vividly because it was ****ing me off that a little tiny lefty was carving what I thought was an amazing defense to shreds

 

[The Franchise]

Actually their senior QB. LeFors carved us up, and then got hurt with them up 31-27 and didn't come back in and Brohm finished the game.

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

He didn't. LeFors did. We knocked his *** out either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th. They didn't miss a beat when Brohm came in though. Funny thing, we knocked Brohm's *** out of the '06 game, and Cantwell came in and didn't miss a beat and raped us too.

LeFors was 17-22 for 242 with 3 TD and 0 INT
Brohm was 7-12 for 51 with 0 TD and 1 INT (on the last play of the game)

Consider me owned. I could have sworn Brohm played more snaps in that game than LeFors.

I remember it vividly because it was ****ing me off that a little tiny lefty was carving what I thought was an amazing defense to shreds

It's funny that just the opposite stood out to me and made me think Brohm played more. I was sitting there in the OB thinking that we should have killed them once Brohm came in, but it just didn't work out that way.

It was a different time for us wasn't it? I was incredulous that someone was moving the football on us. These days, I'm shocked when we force a punt.

 

[DutchieFlair]

I remember that Game. Friends of mine diehard Canes kept saying "holy sh$t everyones open for Louisville". He could've killed us with a better team. smh

 

[DutchieFlair]

IIRC their Tightend was open all night.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Petrino's offense lives in the middle of the field. Shallow crosses supplemented by deeper similar patterns behind it. It gives guys the ability to catch the ball in space and make a play after the catch. He also throws A TON of screens to the rb.

Now picture in your head everything I just said above and plug in guys like Coley, Berrios (on the underneath stuff) and Duke.

Petrino would do insanely well here.

 

[Notsince1985]

Pretty sure Brohm played the majority of the snaps in that game.

He didn't. LeFors did. We knocked his *** out either late in the 3rd or early in the 4th. They didn't miss a beat when Brohm came in though. Funny thing, we knocked Brohm's *** out of the '06 game, and Cantwell came in and didn't miss a beat and raped us too.

LeFors was 17-22 for 242 with 3 TD and 0 INT
Brohm was 7-12 for 51 with 0 TD and 1 INT (on the last play of the game)

Consider me owned. I could have sworn Brohm played more snaps in that game than LeFors.

I remember it vividly because it was ****ing me off that a little tiny lefty was carving what I thought was an amazing defense to shreds

It's funny that just the opposite stood out to me and made me think Brohm played more. I was sitting there in the OB thinking that we should have killed them once Brohm came in, but it just didn't work out that way.

It was a different time for us wasn't it? I was incredulous that someone was moving the football on us. These days, I'm shocked when we force a punt.

I was in grad school, and I left class early and had the game taped on VHS (ah, the good old days, about a year or two before DVR) and I watched in shock as they kept scoring, and scoring, and scoring. After that game I figured UL was good, and we would be fine. Then the NC State game happened and the defense was raped again. Then the UNC game. Then the bottom fell out and we haven't recovered since.

 

[armstead98]

I'd love Petrino, but I don't think the Admin will take the risk. Too much baggage and there are other alternatives with less risk and just as much upside (Butch).

Re: Butch I think he has as good of a shot as anyone else. Don't discount how much the Coach L hiring has served to directly fly in the face of only hiring "up-and-comers". He has instantly elevated the program, poses no flight risk, and has displayed time and again the value of his coaching experience - regardless of circumstances (NCAA, empty arena, roster turnover, injuries).

As most have speculated, if Al leaves I think the top 4 candidates would likely be:
1. Butch
2. Schiano
3. Franklin
4. Chud

Out of that group Butch has already indicated interest in the job, poses the least flight risk (probably a safe hire for at least 5 years), has the best track record, and is likely the cheapest.

Schiano is probably next most likely but he's not without baggage since he's got a pretty good rep for being a jerk (to the media at RU and everyone in general in the NFL). Franklin could have the most upside but he's going to be expensive and doesn't have any Miami ties (I don't think). Chud is and interesting wild card, it just depends if he has long term NFL aspirations. Out of that group it's hard to not end back with Davis being the best option, though I think all 4 would be upgrades over what we have now so I'd be thrilled if any end up here - maybe not "thrilled" with Schiano but intrigued.

 

[WestEndZone]

That game happened because Randy was hardheaded and inept. Everyone gets a hardon for press man coverage and that's what eventually hurt us in that game -- and many games during that time period (reference the GT all green game, when they ran about 98 out routes against man coverage).

We had arguably the most talented defense in the country and a coach that couldn't teach multiple coverages. We under-performed A LOT in that time period. Obviously you need to give a ton of credit to Petrino, but you can't overlook our shortcomings. Everyone still gave Randy a ton of praise, but they forget that Schiano and Butch built that defense. It slowly deteriorated through his tenure.

 

[TRock305]

Re: Butch. He tried to take the job at FIU a year ago, but his settlement with UNC prevented it (unless Butch was willing to sacrifice his severance, which he evidently was not). He is due a severance payment of $590k on 1/15, so I doubt he would accept a job before that payment is made. He is due additional payments through January of next year, so anyone interested in hiring him will probably need to make up for the lost severance.

Just pointing this out. Botch is washed up (and wasn't a very good coach to begin with) and shouldn't be considered by UM.