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Duval904 said:
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Consigliere said:
Homesteadwhat said:
### Seniors McGee and Mike James are expected to be drafted

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3rd or 4th Round Pick for McGee
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I respectfully disagree.
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ok...break it down. what have you seen from McGee's play this year?
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I will say he goes in the 6th. He is not physical, a little small, and he is average in coverage. Just my opinion, the good thing is that we will get a answer to this question. Great at the headlock tackle though.
 
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CaneDaddy said:
I wonder what Dapper thinks of this....
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a couple of important things to keep in mind.

1) Enforcement is like the police and prosecutors in one office. They have to investigate the case, then prove it in the infractions hearing. They will always sound over the top - it is their job.

2) There are frequently allegations in a Notice Of Allegations that are not subsequently proven at the infractions hearing.

3) The letter only states that Enforcement will take a nonresponse as an admission. That has no effect on the COI at the hearing - the COI will not draw the same conclusion. There will still have to be corroborating evidence. The COI will not just take Shapiro's word for things. However, circumstantial evidence such as photos and phone records can add up to corroborate things that Shapiro says. It is evident that there is not circumstantial evidence to support allegations violations by all 100+ former athletes - had there been, yahoo would have included all of them. Moreover, keep in mind that yahoo was actually incorrect on some of the corroborating information. Even if there is corroborating information on 60 former athletes, there is a huge difference between 60 and 114.

4) I had something else to say, but it slipped my mind, so I'll end with this - also keep in mind that there were very few specific allegations about any particular players. Most of them had to do with getting free entry into clubs and free drinks. Those are garden variety violations. Yes, its serious, but that's UNC serious (players getting a few thousand dollars), not USC serious (player getting six figures of impermissible benefits).
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Great work!!! How about this point? Putting aside what Shapiro says that the COI can find corroboration for, what about allegations he makes that can be shown to be incorrect, factually impossible or otherwise untruthful? Shouldn't that be added into the overall equation and shouldn't that undermine his claims if the player offers a different account on say a phone call made to him or from him? In other words, might some of the corroborating evidence get tossed aside if NS can be shown to often be wrong in his claims?
 
Would appreciate any of our lawyer Canes chiming in here. Not a lawyer, but I assume that this investigation would be tantamount to a civil action so the burden of proof would be lower, but even with a lower burden of proof can the NCAA make an assumption of guilt minus corroborating evidence without setting itself up for a countersuit on the grounds of libel? Or does in the murky and amorphous NCAA world does none of this matter?

Also, you have a constitutional right to a speedy trial. Is there some sort of time limit on how long the NCAA can essentially hold you under a cloud of suspicion?

I was listening to a national talk radio host on Monday evening, and he said he gives the NCAA another decade before the major conferences break away and create their own structure in place of the present debacle - interesting.

EDIT: I see Dappercane's post. Still wonder about the questions I asked though.

Problem2 said:
Sorry but there is no way they can get away with this
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This is a straight witch hunt, which makes me nervous. We can than Charles Robinson for this. The story he wrote got the NCAA drooling and now they want Ibis blood. They've put too much time into this to just let us off light.
 
Unbelievable. It's obvious that this lady is out for blood. Why would the NCAA assign a Florida grad to be the lead investigator in a case involving Miami? This is the definition of conflict of interest.
 
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TooColdToHold said:
Unbelievable. It's obvious that this lady is out for blood. Why would the NCAA assign a Florida grad to be the lead investigator in a case involving Miami? This is the definition of conflict of interest.
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Paul Dee was a Florida grad. His entire tenure as AD was a conflict of interest.
 
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Where is Charles Robinson? He hasn't said anything about this...

Jonnyblaze said:
This is a straight witch hunt, which makes me nervous. We can than Charles Robinson for this. The story he wrote got the NCAA drooling and now they want Ibis blood. They've put too much time into this to just let us off light.
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http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...s-shows-just-how-flawed-system-really-is.html

Ultimatum by NCAA on former Canes players shows just how flawed system really is

In case you missed it, our Barry Jackson posted an interesting entry in his latest Sports Buzz column about how the NCAA has sent letters to former UM football players telling them they must talk or they will believe Nevin Shapiro's claims against them.

The deadline is this Friday. Barry and I heard about this last week and he got a copy of the letter recently and posted it on his blog.

Here’s how the letter to one player's attorney reads:

"The purpose of this letter is to apprise you that the NCAA enforcement staff is requesting to schedule an interview with your clients regarding their knowledge of or involvement in possible NCAA violations concerning the University of Miami, Florida, football program.

"Interviewing your clients is important in order for the enforcement staff to conduct a thorough investigation, and both the staff and the institution request you and your clients’ cooperation in this matter. However, at this time, all attempts to schedule and execute interviews with [blank] have been unsuccessful. As a result, this letter serves as a formal and final request by the NCAA enforcement staff for interviews with [blank] to be completed by Nov. 23, 2012.

“If we do not hear back from you or your clients by that time, the staff will consider the non-response as your client’s admission of involvement in NCAA violations. You may contact me at [blank] in order to arrange this interview. Your assistance in this matter is appreciated.”

Sincerely,
Molly Richman,
Assistant Director of Enforcement

MY THOUGHTS

I've heard all along from a couple sources that were interviewed by the NCAA who have told me the organization feels like it has a solid case to hammer UM for lack of institutional control based on the testimony of about eight to 10 former players, former assistant coaches and recruits who went elsewhere and were given immunity.

Not only do I think that stinks (immunity), but I find it downright offensive now that this letter surfaces and that former players are basically being told as the case is being wrapped up they have to speak or all of it is going to be considered true. In my opinion, this is a huge black-eye on the NCAA and the way it goes about collecting its information.

Do we live in America or a dictatorship?

Somebody has to step in here and do something. This system is clearly flawed.




Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs
This can't be true. NCAA has sent letter to former UM players saying either cooperate or you will be considered guilty. bit.ly/TXL40H

Lee Whit ‏@Uncle_Whit

@dennisdoddcbs So now the NCAA thinks it's bigger than the US Constitution? No Miranda or 5th admendment for Miami players?

Clint bolt ‏@Clint_Bolt

@laniricketts10 the fact they need this says a lot

Clint bolt ‏@Clint_Bolt

@dennisdoddcbs that's ridiculous what are going to threaten the frmr plyrs with?

Clint bolt ‏@Clint_Bolt

@dennisdoddcbs so basically added punishment to the school and can the NCAA do this or have the power?

Can someone tell me why former asst. coaches get immunity?
 
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Because it's a witch hunt, and the NCAA is out for blood. The whole country just wants to see us burn to the ground. Not just the U, but the whole city of Miami.

There's a lot of corn fed racists out there.

TooColdToHold said:
Unbelievable. It's obvious that this lady is out for blood. Why would the NCAA assign a Florida grad to be the lead investigator in a case involving Miami? This is the definition of conflict of interest.
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The NCAA over-stepped its bounds here, and we have an opportunity to embarrass them and turn this into our advantage. We and UM need to BLAST this to every media outlett available and put this letter all over the news. No matter how bad someone hates UM everyone, and especially media types, will see this as the atrocious abuse of power that it is. The UF thing certainly helps too. But I do think this is something we can turn against the NCAA since it is such a gross mis-step.

Heck, i'd even consider playing the race card here, given that probably 90% of the recipients of this threat are black

If we play this right, we may have actually been given a break here
 
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stormsurge said:
DapperSlapper said:
CaneDaddy said:
I wonder what Dapper thinks of this....
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a couple of important things to keep in mind.

1) Enforcement is like the police and prosecutors in one office. They have to investigate the case, then prove it in the infractions hearing. They will always sound over the top - it is their job.

2) There are frequently allegations in a Notice Of Allegations that are not subsequently proven at the infractions hearing.

3) The letter only states that Enforcement will take a nonresponse as an admission. That has no effect on the COI at the hearing - the COI will not draw the same conclusion. There will still have to be corroborating evidence. The COI will not just take Shapiro's word for things. However, circumstantial evidence such as photos and phone records can add up to corroborate things that Shapiro says. It is evident that there is not circumstantial evidence to support allegations violations by all 100+ former athletes - had there been, yahoo would have included all of them. Moreover, keep in mind that yahoo was actually incorrect on some of the corroborating information. Even if there is corroborating information on 60 former athletes, there is a huge difference between 60 and 114.

4) I had something else to say, but it slipped my mind, so I'll end with this - also keep in mind that there were very few specific allegations about any particular players. Most of them had to do with getting free entry into clubs and free drinks. Those are garden variety violations. Yes, its serious, but that's UNC serious (players getting a few thousand dollars), not USC serious (player getting six figures of impermissible benefits).
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Great work!!! How about this point? Putting aside what Shapiro says that the COI can find corroboration for, what about allegations he makes that can be shown to be incorrect, factually impossible or otherwise untruthful? Shouldn't that be added into the overall equation and shouldn't that undermine his claims if the player offers a different account on say a phone call made to him or from him? In other words, might some of the corroborating evidence get tossed aside if NS can be shown to often be wrong in his claims?
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"If we do not hear back from you or your clients by that time, the staff will consider the non-response as your client’s admission of involvement in NCAA violations."

"[T]he staff" refers to Enforcement. That has nothing to do with the COI. The COI will need corroboration of anything Shapiro says to make a finding. If there is evidence that things he has said are not true, then there shouldn't be a finding of a violation made with respect to that un/disproven allegation.

The COI will need corroboration for every allegation. It just so happens that the best corroboration would be an admission from another party involved in the violation alleged. Enforcement can claim that silence amounts to admissions, but that will not be the type of corroboration the COI needs to make findings of violations.

The letter is the same thing as the cops telling a suspect that we got you on X, Y, and Z serious felonies, and we're going to throw the book at you, when all they have is 1 misdemeanor. If you keep your mouth shut, the cops' threats mean nothing.
 
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