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DapperSlapper said:
CaneDaddy said:
I wonder what Dapper thinks of this....
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a couple of important things to keep in mind.

1) Enforcement is like the police and prosecutors in one office. They have to investigate the case, then prove it in the infractions hearing. They will always sound over the top - it is their job.

2) There are frequently allegations in a Notice Of Allegations that are not subsequently proven at the infractions hearing.

3) The letter only states that Enforcement will take a nonresponse as an admission. That has no effect on the COI at the hearing - the COI will not draw the same conclusion. There will still have to be corroborating evidence. The COI will not just take Shapiro's word for things. However, circumstantial evidence such as photos and phone records can add up to corroborate things that Shapiro says. It is evident that there is not circumstantial evidence to support allegations violations by all 100+ former athletes - had there been, yahoo would have included all of them. Moreover, keep in mind that yahoo was actually incorrect on some of the corroborating information. Even if there is corroborating information on 60 former athletes, there is a huge difference between 60 and 114.

4) I had something else to say, but it slipped my mind, so I'll end with this - also keep in mind that there were very few specific allegations about any particular players. Most of them had to do with getting free entry into clubs and free drinks. Those are garden variety violations. Yes, its serious, but that's UNC serious (players getting a few thousand dollars), not USC serious (player getting six figures of impermissible benefits).
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IMO, this is good if no players speak. All the NCAA has is the word of a convicted liar.
 
DapperSlapper said:
stormsurge said:
DapperSlapper said:
CaneDaddy said:
I wonder what Dapper thinks of this....
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a couple of important things to keep in mind.

1) Enforcement is like the police and prosecutors in one office. They have to investigate the case, then prove it in the infractions hearing. They will always sound over the top - it is their job.

2) There are frequently allegations in a Notice Of Allegations that are not subsequently proven at the infractions hearing.

3) The letter only states that Enforcement will take a nonresponse as an admission. That has no effect on the COI at the hearing - the COI will not draw the same conclusion. There will still have to be corroborating evidence. The COI will not just take Shapiro's word for things. However, circumstantial evidence such as photos and phone records can add up to corroborate things that Shapiro says. It is evident that there is not circumstantial evidence to support allegations violations by all 100+ former athletes - had there been, yahoo would have included all of them. Moreover, keep in mind that yahoo was actually incorrect on some of the corroborating information. Even if there is corroborating information on 60 former athletes, there is a huge difference between 60 and 114.

4) I had something else to say, but it slipped my mind, so I'll end with this - also keep in mind that there were very few specific allegations about any particular players. Most of them had to do with getting free entry into clubs and free drinks. Those are garden variety violations. Yes, its serious, but that's UNC serious (players getting a few thousand dollars), not USC serious (player getting six figures of impermissible benefits).
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Great work!!! How about this point? Putting aside what Shapiro says that the COI can find corroboration for, what about allegations he makes that can be shown to be incorrect, factually impossible or otherwise untruthful? Shouldn't that be added into the overall equation and shouldn't that undermine his claims if the player offers a different account on say a phone call made to him or from him? In other words, might some of the corroborating evidence get tossed aside if NS can be shown to often be wrong in his claims?
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"If we do not hear back from you or your clients by that time, the staff will consider the non-response as your client’s admission of involvement in NCAA violations."

"[T]he staff" refers to Enforcement. That has nothing to do with the COI. The COI will need corroboration of anything Shapiro says to make a finding. If there is evidence that things he has said are not true, then there shouldn't be a finding of a violation made with respect to that un/disproven allegation.
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if I'm a a member of that COI, I am probably not feeling too pleased at this atty's letter.
 
**** part of me feels like they don't have **** on us, but a larger part of me feels like we are ****ed based on the cooperation of some of the former players. My gut tells me the ****wad's like Kyle Wright and Robert Marve have given so much information along with the "8 to 10 former players/recruits/coaches" that we might get ******* hammered by the NCAA.

Unbelievable
 
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And Mr. Wright, Mr. Marve, and Mr. Robinson...**** YOU TOO!
 
Here's the thing for me:

NCAA- "Either talk or we are going to believe Shapiro"
UM player- "I ain't talkin"
NCAA- "Ok then Shapiro was telling the truth"
UM player- "Ok I'll talk. I didn't take **** from Shapiro and deny all allegations"
NCAA'- "You're lying and we believe Shapiro...prepare your ****".

What the **** does it matter if they talk or not? They've made up their mind already.
 
looks like she recntly updated her linkedin profile to delete the UF reference.


SevenNSeven said:
Prepare your ****.


http://www.linkedin.com/pub/molly-richman-j-d/23/29a/557


Molly Richman, J.D.'s Overview

Current
Assistant Director of Enforcement at NCAA
Past
Enforcement at NCAA
General Counsel's Office at National Federation of State High School Associations
Law Clerk at Richards, Boje, Pickering, Benner & Becker
Education
Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law
University of Florida
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CBSSports.com's Bruce Feldman spoke with a compliance expert Wednesday morning who has worked on several NCAA investigations that have involved multiple major violations about the letters.

"I've never heard of anything like this before," said the source. "This seems like a total bullying tactic and sounds like a desperate move. They're basically saying they're taking the word of a billion-dollar ponzi schemer over some guys who may have taken a few steak dinners? It looks like the NCAA has spent a ton of money and time investigating this and they're trying to cover their investment."
 
Problem2 said:
We ******* skate


CBSSports.com's Bruce Feldman spoke with a compliance expert Wednesday morning who has worked on several NCAA investigations that have involved multiple major violations about the letters.

"I've never heard of anything like this before," said the source. "This seems like a total bullying tactic and sounds like a desperate move. They're basically saying they're taking the word of a billion-dollar ponzi schemer over some guys who may have taken a few steak dinners? It looks like the NCAA has spent a ton of money and time investigating this and they're trying to cover their investment."
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FAP
 
I find it Really funny that the NCAA is looking at FORMER PLAYERS.... to hammer Current ones.. SMDH.. ridiculous.

They got something, but they ain't got enough.

If I'm a former player -why WOULD I testify? Its up to YOU to prove me guilty. If you do - then you do. If you don't and my name is associated in any report.. i'm gonna sue your *** for everything...

JC
 
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Everyone realizes this letter only went to a handful of players right? The article states it went to players who were on campus when the investigation launched. So the wilfork's and t good's of the world didnt get it. My question is... didnt jacory and the other 7 guys who got suspended already speak to the ncaa? Who else could it be? Who isnt talking?
 
Dennis Dodd art.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...d-guilty-if-they-dont-cooperate-with-the-ncaa

CBSSports.com's Bruce Feldman spoke with a compliance expert Wednesday morning who has worked on several NCAA investigations that have involved multiple major violations about the letters.

"I've never heard of anything like this before," said the source. "This seems like a total bullying tactic and sounds like a desperate move. They're basically saying they're taking the word of a billion-dollar ponzi schemer over some guys who may have taken a few steak dinners? It looks like the NCAA has spent a ton of money and time investigating this and they're trying to cover their investment."

The letter does seem to indicate some level of desperation by the NCAA in the Shapiro case. The NCAA was alerted to widespread extra benefits violations by the former booster and began investigating in February 2011. Yahoo! Sports exposed the extent of the violations in a series of stories last year. The investigation is ongoing. The school this week removed itself from bowl consideration for a second consecutive season in order to mitigate future NCAA penalties.

Previously, the NCAA gave limited immunity in the Shapiro case to former Miami players who had transferred elsewhere.
 
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No one is asking what seems to me to be a very important question:

Why did this letter get released NOW?
 
stormsurge said:
No one is asking what seems to me to be a very important question:

Why did this letter get released NOW?
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I wouldn't be surprised if UM leaked this. They needed to flip the story from the 2 Year Bowl Bank hysteria to check out what exactly the NCAA is doing. Its the smart PR play
 
Shogungts said:
Why do several of you think that the general public will be on our side in this? Most people thought we were a bunch of thug cheaters before this, so I am not really sure why they would be on our side in this.
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Because innocent until proven guilty is the foundation of this country. It goes wayyyyy beyond what school you went to and what team you root for.
 
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