How the "penalties" narrative is playing out in real time...

The hate is real af and it feels good šŸ˜†
Tessitores dumb *** was yelling himself horse on every Lville play...wanted us to lose sooo bad...everyone does.
And rewatch the tape and you'll laugh at how often our DL was held over n over n over again..so as always the opponents fans are stupid af and aren't watching or don't know football

Every announcer in the game is dying to get their "DOWN GOES MIAMI" call. I get it, it's how they pay the bills. We just have to embrace the hate and enjoy being the villain.
 

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It's pretty standard that when you're losing, blame the refs. UL was down nearly the entire game. Easy to complain at the refs.
 
The "blame the refs" and "penalties are skewed" narratives have gotten completely out of hand. I was at Louisville and surrounded by Louisville fans. I have no idea whether Louisville fans are THIS ****Y for every single game, but it was bad where I was sitting, and I tend to believe that the reaction of the Louisville ***** around me matched what the rest of the Louisville ***** were thinking/saying, based on the booing I heard in-person and rewatching the game on TV.

I'm actually exhausted by the fake and manufactured "critical call" whining. That's bull****. In-person and on TV, you could hear the Louisville ***** complaining on EVERY CLOSE PLAY, all game long. First Louisville drive, we forced the QB out-of-bounds and the Louisville ***** around me lost their ****, screaming for a penalty to be called. And this repeated itself on EVERY Miami sideline tackle, EVERY Miami defensed-pass, and EVERY Miami offensive play that resulted in yardage. I actually started laughing whenever the Louisville ***** around me complained.

And here's the thing. Nearly every single complaint from the Louisville ***** HAD NO BEARING ON THE DRIVE OR THE OUTCOME. For example, when Mauigoa was covering the receiver who almost caught a touchdown, the Louisville ***** SCREAMED that "he never turned his head". I then explained that it only makes a difference if Mauigoa had raised his hands up and attempted to faceguard the receiver without turning his head to see the ball, and that you are free to cover a receiver with your back to the QB (sure, you might get burned if the receiver catches the ball) but it's not a penalty. Then, after the Louisville ***** *****ed and moaned about that no-call, they scored a TD two plays later.

Right now, the reality is that EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT (and/or their fanbase) will scream about EVERY penalty called against them, as well as scream about EVERY penalty "not called" against us, until such time that they can get to the fourth quarter and point out ONE call, at which point they can bravely claim that they've been complaining about the officiating "all game long".

Meanwhile, they will keep their ****y mouths shut when it goes the other way to favor them. During their kickoff return for a touchdown, I watched an obvious block-in-the-back take place right in front of me. The reason it was so obvious is because the Miami player blocked in the back was the FIRST guy to get near the returner. The Miami player went flying to the ground after the push, but there was no flag. And it's particularly egregious, as kickoff returns are (statistically) the single type of play on which the most penalties are called. Then I tried to watch a replay on TV and all they showed was the drone shot from the kicker's perspective. It was a ******* touchdown, and they can only show one replay?

But it was "crickets" from the Louisville ***** around me on the subject of any penalty there.

And the later Cam Ward pass incompletion (mistakenly called a fumble) was beyond obvious. Look at how far FORWARD the ball traveled. With a defender going the opposite way and hitting his arm, the ball should have popped up or gone backwards if it was a fumble. Cam has a strong arm, the lock-and-load is quick, and the ball shot forward. Case closed. None of the Louisville ***** would acknowledge that there is a difference between "the ref saw it and called it like he saw it" and "letting the play continue, because blowing the whistle 'too soon' is non-reviewable, while any other call IS reviewable". The fact remains, the ball shot FORWARD, consistent with an arm going forward, not an arm that has been hit and lost control of the ball.

Finally, let's review just how "awful" the refs were, both to the Louisville ***** and to Miami for an entire season, keeping in mind that "let the boys play a physical game" is a general approach that does not favor one team over another.

First, the penalty numbers for Miami vs. Louisville.

Miami - 5 penalties for 55 yards
Louisville - 6 penalties for 38 yards

Once again, Miami was the more-severely-penalized team. And, NO, I am not going to give credence to all the "but look at all the calls they missed" when the Louisville ***** were screaming for a Miami penalty on nearly every play.

Second, through 7 games, we are STILL the second-most-penalized team in the ACC. And when you look at the comparatives with who we've played (and even who we are about to play) the ONLY possible complaint from another heavily-penalized team is Cal. And they are mostly whining about a targeting no-call that the refs on the field didn't call, and that the replay booth did NOT overturn. Though we will probably hear some whining this week from F$U fans, but I think all of their penalties are largely due to incompetence.


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The larger point is that this has mushroomed beyond "referee decision at the end of the game". These **** fans are now complaining about EVERYTHING, all game long.

I understand.

The thing that makes me the most upset is that call against Arroyo on the pick play which negated a TD for us only for Louisville to do a more egregious pick on their TD and not get it called. Everything else is really subjective but when two identical plays happen and one team gets the call and the other doesn't, that's the most f***ed up.
 
For years many MLB teams invested in stocking their rosters with high-priced free agents, ripping talented ballplayers from other teams.
Most notably the New York Yankees.
Alot of folks didn't like it, but accepted it.
The Marlins did it and the same media pundits who were OK with a team from the northeast doing it were up in the arms with the Marlins "buying" players.
The same deal with the NBA fans and talking heads when the Heat built a team with LeVeronica James.
Now it's even down to InterMiami FC buying Lionel Messi and some of his south American buddies when others like LA Galaxy and LAFC were buying foreign talent for years.
Notice a trend?
Where was national and social media when the Canes have been jobbed on many instances vs UNC, Duke and, yes, VT?
And don't get me started with ACC officials not calling safeties when on 2 occasions we tackled ballcarriers in their respective end-zones.
Not to mention how the Louisville-UM game was officiated last year at Hard Rock.
So eff these whiners.
 
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The "blame the refs" and "penalties are skewed" narratives have gotten completely out of hand. I was at Louisville and surrounded by Louisville fans. I have no idea whether Louisville fans are THIS ****Y for every single game, but it was bad where I was sitting, and I tend to believe that the reaction of the Louisville ***** around me matched what the rest of the Louisville ***** were thinking/saying, based on the booing I heard in-person and rewatching the game on TV.

I'm actually exhausted by the fake and manufactured "critical call" whining. That's bull****. In-person and on TV, you could hear the Louisville ***** complaining on EVERY CLOSE PLAY, all game long. First Louisville drive, we forced the QB out-of-bounds and the Louisville ***** around me lost their ****, screaming for a penalty to be called. And this repeated itself on EVERY Miami sideline tackle, EVERY Miami defensed-pass, and EVERY Miami offensive play that resulted in yardage. I actually started laughing whenever the Louisville ***** around me complained.

And here's the thing. Nearly every single complaint from the Louisville ***** HAD NO BEARING ON THE DRIVE OR THE OUTCOME. For example, when Mauigoa was covering the receiver who almost caught a touchdown, the Louisville ***** SCREAMED that "he never turned his head". I then explained that it only makes a difference if Mauigoa had raised his hands up and attempted to faceguard the receiver without turning his head to see the ball, and that you are free to cover a receiver with your back to the QB (sure, you might get burned if the receiver catches the ball) but it's not a penalty. Then, after the Louisville ***** *****ed and moaned about that no-call, they scored a TD two plays later.

Right now, the reality is that EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT (and/or their fanbase) will scream about EVERY penalty called against them, as well as scream about EVERY penalty "not called" against us, until such time that they can get to the fourth quarter and point out ONE call, at which point they can bravely claim that they've been complaining about the officiating "all game long".

Meanwhile, they will keep their ****y mouths shut when it goes the other way to favor them. During their kickoff return for a touchdown, I watched an obvious block-in-the-back take place right in front of me. The reason it was so obvious is because the Miami player blocked in the back was the FIRST guy to get near the returner. The Miami player went flying to the ground after the push, but there was no flag. And it's particularly egregious, as kickoff returns are (statistically) the single type of play on which the most penalties are called. Then I tried to watch a replay on TV and all they showed was the drone shot from the kicker's perspective. It was a ******* touchdown, and they can only show one replay?

But it was "crickets" from the Louisville ***** around me on the subject of any penalty there.

And the later Cam Ward pass incompletion (mistakenly called a fumble) was beyond obvious. Look at how far FORWARD the ball traveled. With a defender going the opposite way and hitting his arm, the ball should have popped up or gone backwards if it was a fumble. Cam has a strong arm, the lock-and-load is quick, and the ball shot forward. Case closed. None of the Louisville ***** would acknowledge that there is a difference between "the ref saw it and called it like he saw it" and "letting the play continue, because blowing the whistle 'too soon' is non-reviewable, while any other call IS reviewable". The fact remains, the ball shot FORWARD, consistent with an arm going forward, not an arm that has been hit and lost control of the ball.

Finally, let's review just how "awful" the refs were, both to the Louisville ***** and to Miami for an entire season, keeping in mind that "let the boys play a physical game" is a general approach that does not favor one team over another.

First, the penalty numbers for Miami vs. Louisville.

Miami - 5 penalties for 55 yards
Louisville - 6 penalties for 38 yards

Once again, Miami was the more-severely-penalized team. And, NO, I am not going to give credence to all the "but look at all the calls they missed" when the Louisville ***** were screaming for a Miami penalty on nearly every play.

Second, through 7 games, we are STILL the second-most-penalized team in the ACC. And when you look at the comparatives with who we've played (and even who we are about to play) the ONLY possible complaint from another heavily-penalized team is Cal. And they are mostly whining about a targeting no-call that the refs on the field didn't call, and that the replay booth did NOT overturn. Though we will probably hear some whining this week from F$U fans, but I think all of their penalties are largely due to incompetence.


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Never argue with Idiots. They will simply drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Just not worth a drop of your energy. Ever
 
We fans certainly can't do anything to dispel the narrative, and the team continues to put itself in the position where calls/no-calls are having a huge impact. Arguing with people in the stands and on Myspace doesn't help our cause, it makes us look insecure.

Tune it out and you'll extract more enjoyment from the season. Have seen so many posts harping on what Joel Klatt or Andre Ware said about this or that. Who cares? The national narrative headed into the CFP selection show was that FSU deserved to be in at 13-0, but that didn't matter one iota to the committee.


Oh shut up with your pathetic soft-shouldered ***** behavior.

No team wins all 12 teams by 20 points anymore. This isn't Oklahoma/Nebraska of the 70s and 80s. BLAMING OUR TEAM is just ******* self-defeating and ridiculous.

Obviously, you didn't read anything I posted, you just came here (like cway) to pick a fight. I clearly stated that the Louisville **** fans were complaining FROM THE THIRD PLAY about the ACC refs, even though Miami IS the second-most penalized team and Louisville only gets flagged for AVERAGE yardage.

Far more importantly, there are multiple people who are robbing OUR TEAM of the legitimacy of their accomplishments. We are 7-0. We should not feel bad about that, we should not have to apologize for that.

In typical dopey fashion, you are trying to make this about "me" and my "enjoyment" of the season. I never said a word about that. This is about the TEAM and what the team accomplishes, it should have NOTHING to do with you belatedly trying to come back from the hundreds of other times I've wrecked your terrible posts.

Unlike some of most pusillanimous fans, I don't try to mollify my "friends" who support other teams. I don't show up on Sunday or Monday and try to act like "there's good people on both sides". I'm not going to tell anyone unfortunate enough to root for Florida State "yeah, that was definitely targeting in the Cal game" in the hopes that they might like me a little bit better because I "keep it real".

**** all that. I advocate when it is right and accurate. And I sure as **** don't apologize when the refs get the call right, no matter how much the other team whines.

The reality is that our opponents, and the LEGION of Miami-haters, are all trying to rob our team of the legitimacy of our wins (on three COMPLETELY accurate booth-reviewed calls). Ignoring this will not make it go away.
 
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My favorite conspiracy is ā€œthe ACC needs Miami to be undefeated to get a top playoff seedā€. Like the ACC champ doesnā€™t get an automatic top four seed and first round bye regardless of what their record is.

Like most conspiracy theories, when you ask ā€œwhyā€ said conspiracy is taking place, it completely falls apart.


After a couple of weeks, people finally realized that, and now the storyline is that we are trying to get TWO teams in the CFP.

Meanwhile, we have FOUR teams that are undefeated in the conference.

Even funnier, we have TWO undefeated teams in the ACC. And neither of them are named "Clemson". So where are all the blatant ref calls that assist Pitt, a team that beat Cincy by 1 (Pitt was away, so they brought ACC refs), WVU by 4, Cal by 2, and UNC (TERRIBLE team) by 10?

The answer is that nobody cares about UNDEFEATED 7-0 Pitt's close wins. Nobody is blaming "Pitt" for "putting their team in a spot where they need close calls to win".

As always, this is only about Miami. Nobody else cares that the ACC has 4 teams that are undefeated in-conference. They only give a **** about Miami.



Here's our top 7 teams:
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Here's the top 7 in the "It Just Means More" conference:
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Here't the top 6 in the Big 10:
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We have 2 undefeated teams. The Big 10 has 3. The "It Just Means More" has zero-point-zero.
 
I understand.

The thing that makes me the most upset is that call against Arroyo on the pick play which negated a TD for us only for Louisville to do a more egregious pick on their TD and not get it called. Everything else is really subjective but when two identical plays happen and one team gets the call and the other doesn't, that's the most f***ed up.


Agreed.

And I had this conversation with a guy who is a referee.

You either call both or call neither.
 
And yet you still follow me around in every thread just to start schtick with me.
This dude is the biggest trolling anti-Cane on this entire message board. He's not happy unless he is unhappy and making others unhappy. A true d-bag. I only see what he occasionally says via replies as I am now "ignoring content by this member" after a Maude intervened in some inane chat that went sideways with him. I don't remember which Maude it was, but I am very grateful for what he did.
 
I understand.

The thing that makes me the most upset is that call against Arroyo on the pick play which negated a TD for us only for Louisville to do a more egregious pick on their TD and not get it called. Everything else is really subjective but when two identical plays happen and one team gets the call and the other doesn't, that's the most f***ed up.

I have not looked at the rule book and I may be confusing NFL, NCAA or FHSAA, but in College for offensive pass interference I am pretty sure the definition was contact beyond the neutral zone during a "forward" pass.

If that is the case the lville play was behind the LOS so that could be why no offensive PI. I also think it was **** close to the LOS where the guy dove at Kiko. I had more of a problem for the lville player seemingly being out of position then diving at our guy's leg but I do not think that was actually offensive PI because for Arroyo that was clearly downfield and I have seen those calls go either way. I could see how they called that on him. The cam fumble/interception made no sense however. Defensive player is hitting his arm and the ball still ends up bouncing 7 yards down the field, his arm had to be moving forward with enough contact to make that happen.
 
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Oh shut up with your pathetic soft-shouldered ***** behavior.

No team wins all 12 teams by 20 points anymore. This isn't Oklahoma/Nebraska of the 70s and 80s. BLAMING OUR TEAM is just ******* self-defeating and ridiculous.

Obviously, you didn't read anything I posted, you just came here (like cway) to pick a fight. I clearly stated that the Louisville **** fans were complaining FROM THE THIRD PLAY about the ACC refs, even though Miami IS the second-most penalized team and Louisville only gets flagged for AVERAGE yardage.

Far more importantly, there are multiple people who are robbing OUR TEAM of the legitimacy of their accomplishments. We are 7-0. We should not feel bad about that, we should not have to apologize for that.

In typical dopey fashion, you are trying to make this about "me" and my "enjoyment" of the season. I never said a word about that. This is about the TEAM and what the team accomplishes, it should have NOTHING to do with you belatedly trying to come back from the hundreds of other times I've wrecked your terrible posts.

Unlike some of most pusillanimous fans, I don't try to mollify my "friends" who support other teams. I don't show up on Sunday or Monday and try to act like "there's good people on both sides". I'm not going to tell anyone unfortunate enough to root for Florida State "yeah, that was definitely targeting in the Cal game" in the hopes that they might like me a little bit better because I "keep it real".

**** all that. I advocate when it is right and accurate. And I sure as **** don't apologize when the refs get the call right, no matter how much the other team whines.

The reality is that our opponents, and the LEGION of Miami-haters, are all trying to rob our team of the legitimacy of our wins (on three COMPLETELY accurate booth-reviewed calls). Ignoring this will not make it go away.
The only opinions that matter are those of the selection committee, who proved in 2023 that they don't care what anyone else thinks. If you want to pull your hair out because some people think we're lucky then you have every right to argue with them until your head explodes.

But the commentary from fans at the game and on social media has just as little bearing as the comments from Pry, Wilcox and Brohm that came immediately following heart-breaking, season-destroying losses. Miami's inability to stop the other team from scoring may be what stains its resume, but I assure you that this silly narrative fueled by online trolls won't be what sways the selection committee's decision if it comes down to that.
 
People want us to lose, the games are close, and they've all had referee decisions at the end of the game. That's a recipe for what you're getting.

The problem for Miami is the narrative will eventually affect us if it continues. People are human and a 50/50 call will inevitably be influenced by outside noise.

The answer is Miami needs to stop playing close games against inferior teams to shut these people the f*** up. Nothing else will change it. And it we make it to the ACCCG and beat Clemson all the noise will disappear.

Glad I scrolled to this; I was about to post something similar.
 
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I have not looked at the rule book and I may be confusing NFL, NCAA or FHSAA, but in College for offensive pass interference I am pretty sure the definition was contact beyond the neutral zone during a "forward" pass.

If that is the case the lville play was behind the LOS so that could be why no offensive PI. I also think it was **** close to the LOS where the guy dove at Kiko. I had more of a problem for the lville player seemingly being out of position then diving at our guy's leg but I do not think that was actually offensive PI because for Arroyo that was clearly downfield and I have seen those calls go either way. I could see how they called that on him. The cam fumble/interception made no sense however. Defensive player is hitting his arm and the ball still ends up bouncing 7 yards down the field, his arm had to be moving forward with enough contact to make that happen.

It's the exact same play.

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Itā€™s not though. The ball was passed behind the LOS in the Lā€™ville example. You can block down field early in NCAA. So this is actually ok.
I wasnā€™t happy with it first time I watched it, but there is a difference.

The Cam non fumble was mind blowing though. Those used to be ruled incomplete just on the principle that the ball was coming forward.
 
Well not really my guy...

For Arroyo, he is making contact with his feet 3 yards down the field and the guy looks to be just a hair inside of 2 yards past LOS.

For Lville player, he does look like he is 3 yards down the field and had to lunge to try to get Kiko who is closer to only 1 yard down the field, that is what made me question whether either were in the "neutral" zone. I think it is close.

If the NCAA rulebook is the rule I am reciting then I guess "forward" pass could mean still behind the LOS but thus forward, however my recollection is it means beyond the LOS then I dont think there is an argument. Once again I may have the rule wrong and I will ask a friend I have that is a ref next time we touch base but I was more so looking to help out fellow canes arguing that is a penalty when 1. it dont matter, lets not ***** like everyone else, we should know better than anyone (thanks to porter) the final score is all that matters not the yellow piece of fabric on the field and 2. it may simply be wrong because the plays were different.

Where I do not think it is close is where the ball ends up.

Our play, you see Strep is already a yard past LOS and he catches it even further (not by much maybe another few yards at most) up field.

Lville play looks like the ball is already out in your screen grab, LOS is the 4, no way in **** that ball passed the 4 yardline.
 
Well not really my guy...

For Arroyo, he is making contact with his feet 3 yards down the field and the guy looks to be just a hair inside of 2 yards past LOS.

For Lville player, he does look like he is 3 yards down the field and had to lunge to try to get Kiko who is closer to only 1 yard down the field, that is what made me question whether either were in the "neutral" zone. I think it is close.

If the NCAA rulebook is the rule I am reciting then I guess "forward" pass could mean still behind the LOS but thus forward, however my recollection is it means beyond the LOS then I dont think there is an argument. Once again I may have the rule wrong and I will ask a friend I have that is a ref next time we touch base but I was more so looking to help out fellow canes arguing that is a penalty when 1. it dont matter, lets not ***** like everyone else, we should know better than anyone (thanks to porter) the final score is all that matters not the yellow piece of fabric on the field and 2. it may simply be wrong because the plays were different.

Where I do not think it is close is where the ball ends up.

Our play, you see Strep is already a yard past LOS and he catches it even further (not by much maybe another few yards at most) up field.

Lville play looks like the ball is already out in your screen grab, LOS is the 4, no way in **** that ball passed the 4 yardline.

Ah, I understand.
 
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