Golden Presser 11/10 & some QAM quotes 11/11

We won't win with this guy. It's going to be a tough 2 years.

This next coach is going to inherit some real ballers. All I'm asking of Al moving forward, is to stock the cupboard for the next guy.

That's where I'm at now.


Thats a shame becuase you're now going to struggle watching this program move forward and have to balance the fact that you bailed when things got tough, hopefully you'll have enough balls to admit you buckled and were wrong
 
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Regarding Thomas, there is no way he said/meant that his goal was to let him sit comfortably in the pocket. Undoubtedly he meant that the goal was to make Thomas BEAT them from the pocket as opposed to with his feet. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that Thomas did beat them, which is further indictment of the defense. They got what they wanted and got shellacked.

Regarding D'Onofrio, it's nice that he took accountability but the problem is that the players have shown that they've bought into many things Golden. They gained all the weight (probably too much in some instances). They blew away the conditioning test. They communicated better. Yet and still, same result. That's why they will give up. When you think you've done right and experience no success, that's the recipe for freelancing, tuning out, and/or quitting. That's why they have to change the system or change the coach--the players will quit. I'm confident that he will do something. His support for D does not seem as vociferous this year. No more "best in the business" talk.
 
Coach D will have next year to have things turned around, if not golden will then have to decide what's more important his career or his best friend.

that time has already arrived...and we see what his decision seems to be..SMH...AG needs to be a CEO this season, not a friend

giving Dorito another year would be very detrimental for the program. it is very obvious right now that Dorito has to go and AG has to give up on his BS defensive philosophy and turn it over to someone competent.

**** the 3-4 BS


This is Al's scheme. If D'Onofrio is incompetent at X's & O's, then so is Al and that's a HUGE problem.

Let's pray that's not what's going on here.

yeah I know, and unfortunately I think thats the case.

thats why I think AG has to abandon his defense and fire Dorito. get a real DC. AG would then be the CEO/recruiter. that is probably his best fit.

I believe that we are gonna suffer big time in recruiting if we keep Dorito. get him outa here, sell the future with a new DC. we need elite recruits now.

then if the new DC doesnt pan out in a couple of years, we clean house but still have benefited from a few years of good recruiting
 
As the AD, would Blake James ever get in Al's ear about Coach D?

I know personnel should be the responsibility of the HC, but when you have Coach D literally taking money away from the program (boosters get ****ed and don't donate, or the like) then as the AD don't you have no choice but to press the team's CEO to make the right decision?
 
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How do you fire a guy who is running your defense(the defense you told him to run)? This is what Al wants to run. IF I was d I would be ****ed if he got canned since he is running what the HC told him to run.
 
Regarding Thomas, there is no way he said/meant that his goal was to let him sit comfortably in the pocket. Undoubtedly he meant that the goal was to make Thomas BEAT them from the pocket as opposed to with his feet. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that Thomas did beat them, which is further indictment of the defense. They got what they wanted and got shellacked.

Regarding D'Onofrio, it's nice that he took accountability but the problem is that the players have shown that they've bought into many things Golden. They gained all the weight (probably too much in some instances). They blew away the conditioning test. They communicated better. Yet and still, same result. That's why they will give up. When you think you've done right and experience no success, that's the recipe for freelancing, tuning out, and/or quitting. That's why they have to change the system or change the coach--the players will quit. I'm confident that he will do something. His support for D does not seem as vociferous this year. No more "best in the business" talk.

i literally look at some of our defensive players after some plays...and just see a look of defeat......Perryman, Jenkins, some times Tracy..those guys look like " wtf, this sh*t were runnning aint working" you can juts tell. I know because ive been their before in college ball. Just like u said..the guys have "bought in" did everything they were suppose to (Made Perryman get up to 240 for what reason again?) and their playing the same as last year, thats when dudes go "what the ****, i gotta make something happen"..i think most of the defensive players gave up on No Frio last year imo. Early success brought em back in some this yr..now its same ol same ol as he faces competent oc's and gets embarassed week after week. Penn youve got to realize how BAD...i mean how Bad..i mean how bad..VA TECH'S oc really is.....dude is the worst..and he had a gameplan for us that made him look like Sean Payton against the dolphins.
 
How do you fire a guy who is running your defense(the defense you told him to run)? This is what Al wants to run. IF I was d I would be ****ed if he got canned since he is running what the HC told him to run.

I don't think that matters. If you're the head coach and you see an abject failure to execute the concepts that you understand and wish to instill, then the guy implementing the defense is failing. In that event there's no problem firing him. Butch was a defensive coach who fired his DC. Moreso the problem here is that D has always seemed to be a guy who Golden trusts, respects, and likes working with, and those are qualities that are harder to do away with than "hey he calls my type of game."

But it gets easier if the guy loses the team. If you get the sense that your players have lost all faith in the defensive coaching, then something drastic has to change and it can't be every single player.
 
"game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket"

Wut? Well, he sure succeeded at that - have him all day to throw!
Lmao at letting Logan Thomas sit in the pocket and beat you. A more passive mindset in football I've never seen.
That's not what he said.

care to correct it, then? not all of us can listen to it right now

You'll have to hear it yourself to get the proper context. He wanted to keep a running QB from playing his game. He wanted to keep him in the pocket and make him make throws.

That's quite different from "game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket (which sounds like an incredibly stupid idea). Keep in mind that Thomas was their second leading rusher this year and had 121 carries coming into this game. Whether that was a smart strategy or not is debatable. The times I have seen Thomas self-destruct this year have been when he is under pressure.

Again, when you get a chance, give it a listen. It's in the first 3 or 4 minutes.
 
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i literally look at some of our defensive players after some plays...and just see a look of defeat......Perryman, Jenkins, some times Tracy..those guys look like " wtf, this sh*t were runnning aint working" you can juts tell. I know because ive been their before in college ball. Just like u said..the guys have "bought in" did everything they were suppose to (Made Perryman get up to 240 for what reason again?) and their playing the same as last year, thats when dudes go "what the ****, i gotta make something happen"..i think most of the defensive players gave up on No Frio last year imo. Early success brought em back in some this yr..now its same ol same ol as he faces competent oc's and gets embarassed week after week. Penn youve got to realize how BAD...i mean how Bad..i mean how bad..VA TECH'S oc really is.....dude is the worst..and he had a gameplan for us that made him look like Sean Payton against the dolphins.

^^^^^ all of this.
 
Game plan coming in was to allow the drag, and screen route all day.

As well as give Blubber neck the keys to the ACCCG personally.

Thanks Al Bundy
 
Regarding Thomas, there is no way he said/meant that his goal was to let him sit comfortably in the pocket. Undoubtedly he meant that the goal was to make Thomas BEAT them from the pocket as opposed to with his feet. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that Thomas did beat them, which is further indictment of the defense. They got what they wanted and got shellacked.

Regarding D'Onofrio, it's nice that he took accountability but the problem is that the players have shown that they've bought into many things Golden. They gained all the weight (probably too much in some instances). They blew away the conditioning test. They communicated better. Yet and still, same result. That's why they will give up. When you think you've done right and experience no success, that's the recipe for freelancing, tuning out, and/or quitting. That's why they have to change the system or change the coach--the players will quit. I'm confident that he will do something. His support for D does not seem as vociferous this year. No more "best in the business" talk.

Agree. He didn't say anything about sitting comfortably in the pocket. You've got a QB who has historically beat you with his legs and had thrown 8 picks the previous two games. Containing him in the pocket and making him beat you with his arm was a solid game plan. Other things went wrong obviously cause there were guys wide open all over the ******* place. But I don't think it's fair to blast Al for basically saying "Thomas has been a pick machine, we wanted him to beat us with his arm".

Not defending Dorito either, I've seen enough of him as well.
 
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I dont know about "victimized" b/c Morris had a very good game under those circumstances... but those drops from Herb Waters and Clive Walford were terrible drive and momentum killers.

only those that dont know much about football will say Morris had a bad game last night.

Golden should spend more time pointing out the main problem w/ this team and it starts and ends w/ his best friend.

Well zone I can tell you this from having to be in charge and lead people, " praise in public and criticize in private." Golden isn't going to bash people on public radio. That's the sign of a poor leader and having no control, but whos to say there wasn't **** to pay in these meetings this week
 
Wow. Bad answers all around. Shannonesque except in English.
Shannon was a darn good defensive Coordinator, coach D is nowhere near the DC Randy Shannon was. As far as a head coach well Shannon was a mistake, he should never have been promoted
 
After scanning through the 5,234 threads created the past 2 days about how much Golden sucks and what not... I just found these two tweets interesting.

JdotGIBLETS ‏@JDotLeezy - If anyone wants to see the difference between Shannon's kids and Golden's, watch Morris at the podium compared to Stacy Coley.
JdotGIBLETS ‏@JDotLeezy - Morris was flippant, indifferent, and couldn't care less. Coley preached hard work, sticking together as a team, and getting better.

If you are selling your Al Golden and Co. stock, I will buy every **** share of it.
 
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"game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket"

Wut? Well, he sure succeeded at that - have him all day to throw!
Lmao at letting Logan Thomas sit in the pocket and beat you. A more passive mindset in football I've never seen.
That's not what he said.

care to correct it, then? not all of us can listen to it right now

You'll have to hear it yourself to get the proper context. He wanted to keep a running QB from playing his game. He wanted to keep him in the pocket and make him make throws.

That's quite different from "game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket (which sounds like an incredibly stupid idea). Keep in mind that Thomas was their second leading rusher this year and had 121 carries coming into this game. Whether that was a smart strategy or not is debatable. The times I have seen Thomas self-destruct this year have been when he is under pressure.

Again, when you get a chance, give it a listen. It's in the first 3 or 4 minutes.
It was an awful gameplan for the reason you just pointed out. Thomas is completely capable of making throws when he has time. Meanwhile he becomes a pick machine at the slightest sign of pressure yet our strategy was essentially to not bring pressure.
 
After scanning through the 5,234 threads created the past 2 days about how much Golden sucks and what not... I just found these two tweets interesting.

JdotGIBLETS ‏@JDotLeezy - If anyone wants to see the difference between Shannon's kids and Golden's, watch Morris at the podium compared to Stacy Coley.
JdotGIBLETS ‏@JDotLeezy - Morris was flippant, indifferent, and couldn't care less. Coley preached hard work, sticking together as a team, and getting better.

If you are selling your Al Golden and Co. stock, I will buy every **** share of it.

I'm with you.
 
"game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket"

Wut? Well, he sure succeeded at that - have him all day to throw!
Lmao at letting Logan Thomas sit in the pocket and beat you. A more passive mindset in football I've never seen.
That's not what he said.

care to correct it, then? not all of us can listen to it right now

You'll have to hear it yourself to get the proper context. He wanted to keep a running QB from playing his game. He wanted to keep him in the pocket and make him make throws.

That's quite different from "game plan coming in was to allow Logan to sit in the pocket (which sounds like an incredibly stupid idea). Keep in mind that Thomas was their second leading rusher this year and had 121 carries coming into this game. Whether that was a smart strategy or not is debatable. The times I have seen Thomas self-destruct this year have been when he is under pressure.

Again, when you get a chance, give it a listen. It's in the first 3 or 4 minutes.

Can you show me exactly where this quote is? I checked the post game presser and it was not there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G4G_599lZo
 
After scanning through the 5,234 threads created the past 2 days about how much Golden sucks and what not... I just found these two tweets interesting.

JdotGIBLETS ‏@JDotLeezy - If anyone wants to see the difference between Shannon's kids and Golden's, watch Morris at the podium compared to Stacy Coley.
JdotGIBLETS ‏@JDotLeezy - Morris was flippant, indifferent, and couldn't care less. Coley preached hard work, sticking together as a team, and getting better.

If you are selling your Al Golden and Co. stock, I will buy every **** share of it.

I'm with you.

That is a cop out. Morris is a ******* team captain for ***** sake.
 
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