Golden on the offensive line

[The Franchise]

Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.

I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

Golden mentioned that play on Hurricane Hotline last night, saying that was his decision to try to go for that instead of just doing an easier catch and run play that would have been safer. I still think Morris was getting jittery by then, though. He was missing high and I think trying to do too much. I'd still like to see them use the TE more on crossing patterns and hitting easier throws to the WR's to set up longer routes later.

There were guys open underneath, and Duke was there for check downs. I just don't think Morris progresses through his reads quickly and seems pretty averse to checking it down. I'm not sure how much of that uf#g game was on Coley, Morris or just that u***'s D is very very good. I guess we'll find out more as the season progresses.

 

[DCF in LA]

Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.

I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

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The kid is always late on his throws. It's funny how this whole aspect of the game hasn't been talked about more. The story line was that Driskell is so terrible. This game would have been a 35-0 shut out if Morris played for UF. The Gators talk how Driskell gave away the game, completely ignoring the fact that what we had had going on our side was worse.

It's why our playbook currently ignores the middle of the field as much as it does. How can you trust a QB that doesn't anticipate the coverage and the throw in the most dangerous area to throw into? I'm convinced Coley is protecting Morris as much as possible- had a suspicion Fisch did that too, but this season it's going to another level.

 

[The Franchise]

This OL is going on its second year of being dreadful at blowing guys off the LOS. The DL beefed up and is holding it down, so I can't hate Swasey (for once). Fisch had trouble against good teams getting them to generate anything resembling a push, and so does Coley.

That leaves one man. One son of a ****in man..

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.

Had to have meant an end....

I don't see that either. You don't waste an explosive talent like that axing him to occupy blockers. This dude's a 4-3 killer DT all the way. Let him play like Nick Fairley or Warren Sapp.

 

[jakeman1]

I don't think the playbook ignores the middle as much as Morris ignores the middle. There are receivers running open, but he ignores them looking for the bigger play.

 

[The Franchise]

Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.

I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

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The kid is always late on his throws. It's funny how this whole aspect of the game hasn't been talked about more. The story line was that Driskell is so terrible. This game would have been a 35-0 shut out if Morris played for UF. The Gators talk how Driskell gave away the game, completely ignoring the fact that what we had had going on our side was worse.

It's why our playbook currently ignores the middle of the field as much as it does. How can you trust a QB that doesn't anticipate the coverage and the throw in the most dangerous area to throw into? I'm convinced Coley is protecting Morris as much as possible- had a suspicion Fisch did that too, but this season it's going to another level.

Morris is a perplexing dude. He'll make a pin point throw like the TD pass to Walford against FAU that only a handful of guys in football can make. Then, he'll turn around and miss wide open guys by a mile or throw it right into the chest of a defender who isn't even near the receiver.

 

[Coach Macho]

This OL is going on its second year of being dreadful at blowing guys off the LOS. The DL beefed up and is holding it down, so I can't hate Swasey (for once). Fisch had trouble against good teams getting them to generate anything resembling a push, and so does Coley.

That leaves one man. One son of a ****in man..

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.

Had to have meant an end....

I don't see that either. You don't waste an explosive talent like that axing him to occupy blockers. This dude's a 4-3 killer DT all the way. Let him play like Nick Fairley or Warren Sapp.

Too small to be a 3-4 Nose Tackle. Too short to be a 3-4 End.

 

[The Franchise]

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.

Had to have meant an end....

I don't see that either. You don't waste an explosive talent like that axing him to occupy blockers. This dude's a 4-3 killer DT all the way. Let him play like Nick Fairley or Warren Sapp.

Too small to be a 3-4 Nose Tackle. Too short to be a 3-4 End.

Yes. And yes. Nothing about that dude says 3-4.

 

[Coach Macho]

True but one of those guys is only a soph and only one of those plays inside(LInder). I'm still on the fence with Felancio. We are very good in pass protection, especially at the tackle position. We just struggle against the better teams in run blocking. Yes we will have our breakdowns there against the bad and so so teams but overall out run game is effective. It only gets exposed against DLs that are, well littered with NFL talent.

The Soph has like 10+ games under his belt. He's not the "young sophomore" that most OLinemen usually are at this point. He's also extremely talented. I think Feliciano plays in the NFL. I don't know how long or if he'll star, but I think he's an NFL lineman.

You take two Tackles - one with 10+ games and the other a senior - who likely end up as 1st or 2nd round draft picks, you add in two interior linemen who will likely play in the NFL, you sprinkle in a highly experienced Center (albeit with size limitations), and you have two highly experienced rotational players (one who has a slew of starts under his belt)...

That's a good situation. Whether or not they get results is also up to what the coordinator is asking them to do and what their unit coach is doing with them so they can execute.

I wasn't knocking Flowers, as he is probably our most talented OL we got, but the statement was rather about the fact he is far from a finished product. Linder will get drafted, SH obviously after that its kinda hazy to be honest with you. Bunche is a great swing guy but his play lately has questioned whether he can be an effective guard, cause while he is an adequate tackle in college, he isn't one at all in the pros. Felancio is one of those guys that lets wait and see. I think he is solid but I just don't see what you see thus far. He is a kid that was asked to play earlier than he should have and surprised by holding his own, but hasn't really improved all that much since then. We will see, still a long season to go but the early returns say we as a fan base, myself included, overrated these guys.

Does Feliciano not get credit because he wasn't a highly touted recruit? I mean there are some games were Feliciano plays great, Henderson plays okay and posters are hyping Sentrel and dogging Feliciano. Feliciano has proven he can play RT and is a nasty OG IMO, not sure what he needs to prove.

And Bunche has been a liability this year.

Nope, SH gets the hype for showing flashes of brilliance in the pass blocking as he did against the German last year. First off, and sorry if I am taking this out of context, but saying I'm not sure Felancio is an NFL player is not dogging him. Nasty guard? He has played well for us no doubt, but I don't now about nasty. ND, FSU, and UF, Morris had plenty of time to throw, now the fact he played poorly even with the time to throw is besides the point, but where we got owned in those games was getting no push in the running game. While Nix, Jernigan, and Easley are no joke, they completely destroyed us in those games and essentially made us one dimensional. That leads me to believe that the interior guys we have aren't as good as we thought, plain and simple. It doesn't mean they are trash but certainly not what Lu said was one of the best collections of talent we have ever had at the position or will.

Anyway it's a long season, I expect them to keep improving. Maybe I'm wrong here, hopefully I am, but lets see this OL earn the hype for once. Nov 2nd we will see against FSU, and if Felancio is nasty then he will prove and I will happily be on here to eat a giant plate of crow.

You don't watch the O-line closely.

 

[Coach Macho]

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.

Had to have meant an end....

I don't see that either. You don't waste an explosive talent like that axing him to occupy blockers. This dude's a 4-3 killer DT all the way. Let him play like Nick Fairley or Warren Sapp.

Too small to be a 3-4 Nose Tackle. Too short to be a 3-4 End.

Yes. And yes. Nothing about that dude says 3-4.

ERRYTHING about that dude says he's gonna line-up in a 3-technique and live in your backfield.

 

[Coach Macho]

IMO, our "problem" with the O-line is that we're running the wrong ****.

Too much zone blocking. These guys are massive. They need to be getting a body-on-a-body and moving people. When they've been asked to do that they've been very successful. We're not athletic enough for so much zone blocking and stretch plays. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why we do so much of it.

That's why I hate when people say our guys can't get push. That's bullsh!t. Our scheme doesn't even require "push". Let our guys get body-on-body and see if we don't get push.

I just watched the whole game and looked at the OL specifically. We're either missing blocks because we're being asked to zone-block quicker defenders or we just plain block the wrong people. Against a D-line like UF's our OL will lose these battles 75% of the time. They're too quick. You have to get a body on them and move them.


Yall remember that game we lost to USF? Me and the head coach I worked for were talking to a USF GA (coach) after the game and when we asked him how they stopped our run game he said..."Well we knew we'd be screwed if they go body-to-body with us. They'd just move us off the ball, so we ran alot of movement (slants). We knew they were too big to handle movement."

 

[jerzeycane]

Just as a mode of reference, what dominant defensive tackles did the 2000-2002 edition of the Miami Hurricanes play?

They got Darnell Dockett a couple of times and he pretty much handled us each time
Kenny Peterson got 'em in the National Championship game (he was dominant all night long)

Outside of that who did those teams see that could challenge them up front?

Moral of the story is that regardless of who you have up front on the O-Line, dominant DT's are difficult to control and there's not much you can do about them.

 

[JHallCanes]

Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.

I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

Not getting technical on you but I thought that other thread pointed out how the ball was tipped, causing it to sail?

Not that there aren't other examples but I thought that one at least had been debunked?

Still seemed awfully late though regardless.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

Just as a mode of reference, what dominant defensive tackles did the 2000-2002 edition of the Miami Hurricanes play?

They got Darnell Dockett a couple of times and he pretty much handled us each time
Kenny Peterson got 'em in the National Championship game (he was dominant all night long)

Outside of that who did those teams see that could challenge them up front?

Moral of the story is that regardless of who you have up front on the O-Line, dominant DT's are difficult to control and there's not much you can do about them.

This, and we did NOT get dominated at the LOS, I don't know what game you guys were watching. Yes, if they commit 8 or 9 to the run and are willing to leave our WR's out on an island, it's going to be hard to run for 5 ypc. Yes, Easley got through a couple times and made some plays behind the line of scrimmage.

It is what it is. Don't know why people are making more of it than it is.

Florida were daring us to throw the ball, we didn't want to do it. At the end of the day, we won the game.

That's the game I watched.

 

[jerzeycane]

IMO, our "problem" with the O-line is that we're running the wrong ****.

Too much zone blocking. These guys are massive. They need to be getting a body-on-a-body and moving people. When they've been asked to do that they've been very successful. We're not athletic enough for so much zone blocking and stretch plays. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why we do so much of it.

That's why I hate when people say our guys can't get push. That's bullsh!t. Our scheme doesn't even require "push". Let our guys get body-on-body and see if we don't get push.

I just watched the whole game and looked at the OL specifically. We're either missing blocks because we're being asked to zone-block quicker defenders or we just plain block the wrong people. Against a D-line like UF's our OL will lose these battles 75% of the time. They're too quick. You have to get a body on them and move them.


Yall remember that game we lost to USF? Me and the head coach I worked for were talking to a USF GA (coach) after the game and when we asked him how they stopped our run game he said..."Well we knew we'd be screwed if they go body-to-body with us. They'd just move us off the ball, so we ran alot of movement (slants). We knew they were too big to handle movement."

We should be leaning on teams like the 90's Cowboys use to and I think a straight ahead running attack would open up the play action more. Our stretch PAs take for too long to develop and are often times blown up by speedy edge guys.

 

[losdaddy8]

Maybe it has to do with them being PUSSIES! They did well the first quarter then got intimidated for the rest of the game. They kept letting the DL talk **** and take cheap shots at Duke without any repercussions. The only player on offense i saw getting in the face of the DL and LBs was Duke. Our OL is suppose to fight those fights for him and protect him. I dont give a **** if we get penalized but we need to man up and start some **** when necessary.

Crazy but our greatly criticized DL played big boy football and our heralded OL played like lil *******

THIS right here, loved seeing it live too 5'8~5'9 barking at everybody specially that one a hole that tried to twist in ankle in the first. Love that kid.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

IMO, our "problem" with the O-line is that we're running the wrong ****.

Too much zone blocking. These guys are massive. They need to be getting a body-on-a-body and moving people. When they've been asked to do that they've been very successful. We're not athletic enough for so much zone blocking and stretch plays. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why we do so much of it.

That's why I hate when people say our guys can't get push. That's bullsh!t. Our scheme doesn't even require "push". Let our guys get body-on-body and see if we don't get push.

I just watched the whole game and looked at the OL specifically. We're either missing blocks because we're being asked to zone-block quicker defenders or we just plain block the wrong people. Against a D-line like UF's our OL will lose these battles 75% of the time. They're too quick. You have to get a body on them and move them.


Yall remember that game we lost to USF? Me and the head coach I worked for were talking to a USF GA (coach) after the game and when we asked him how they stopped our run game he said..."Well we knew we'd be screwed if they go body-to-body with us. They'd just move us off the ball, so we ran alot of movement (slants). We knew they were too big to handle movement."

So you want McDermott going mano a mano against Easley all game long?

You're not wrong that to zone block you need an athletic offensive line, but everybody zone blocks nowadyas, and if you can't do it, you have no business playing O line at this level.

That, and I seem to remember Easley getting good pad level on McDermott more than once and absolutely mauling him. If we didn't move the pocket, the game could have gotten ugly just for that reason alone.

 

[Coach Macho]

IMO, our "problem" with the O-line is that we're running the wrong ****.

Too much zone blocking. These guys are massive. They need to be getting a body-on-a-body and moving people. When they've been asked to do that they've been very successful. We're not athletic enough for so much zone blocking and stretch plays. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why we do so much of it.

That's why I hate when people say our guys can't get push. That's bullsh!t. Our scheme doesn't even require "push". Let our guys get body-on-body and see if we don't get push.

I just watched the whole game and looked at the OL specifically. We're either missing blocks because we're being asked to zone-block quicker defenders or we just plain block the wrong people. Against a D-line like UF's our OL will lose these battles 75% of the time. They're too quick. You have to get a body on them and move them.


Yall remember that game we lost to USF? Me and the head coach I worked for were talking to a USF GA (coach) after the game and when we asked him how they stopped our run game he said..."Well we knew we'd be screwed if they go body-to-body with us. They'd just move us off the ball, so we ran alot of movement (slants). We knew they were too big to handle movement."

So you want McDermott going mano a mano against Easley all game long?

You're not wrong that to zone block you need an athletic offensive line, but everybody zone blocks nowadyas, and if you can't do it, you have no business playing O line at this level.

That, and I seem to remember Easley getting good pad level on McDermott more than once and absolutely mauling him. If we didn't move the pocket, the game could have gotten ugly just for that reason alone.

Who says he has to block Easley by himself?

 

[JHallCanes]

These offensive line debates are starting to read like our defensive line debates last season

 

[jerzeycane]

IMO, our "problem" with the O-line is that we're running the wrong ****.

Too much zone blocking. These guys are massive. They need to be getting a body-on-a-body and moving people. When they've been asked to do that they've been very successful. We're not athletic enough for so much zone blocking and stretch plays. I can't, for the life of me, figure out why we do so much of it.

That's why I hate when people say our guys can't get push. That's bullsh!t. Our scheme doesn't even require "push". Let our guys get body-on-body and see if we don't get push.

I just watched the whole game and looked at the OL specifically. We're either missing blocks because we're being asked to zone-block quicker defenders or we just plain block the wrong people. Against a D-line like UF's our OL will lose these battles 75% of the time. They're too quick. You have to get a body on them and move them.


Yall remember that game we lost to USF? Me and the head coach I worked for were talking to a USF GA (coach) after the game and when we asked him how they stopped our run game he said..."Well we knew we'd be screwed if they go body-to-body with us. They'd just move us off the ball, so we ran alot of movement (slants). We knew they were too big to handle movement."

So you want McDermott going mano a mano against Easley all game long?

You're not wrong that to zone block you need an athletic offensive line, but everybody zone blocks nowadyas, and if you can't do it, you have no business playing O line at this level.

That, and I seem to remember Easley getting good pad level on McDermott more than once and absolutely mauling him. If we didn't move the pocket, the game could have gotten ugly just for that reason alone.

I've never been of the belief that McDermott was one of our five best. I've always said that Linder should be playing center and we should have others in a fight to play the guard spots. I thought that Isadora would have been our best option at RG and our best O-Line would go Flowers/Feliciano/Linder/Isadora/Henderson...but what do I now

 

[The Franchise]

Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.

I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

Not getting technical on you but I thought that other thread pointed out how the ball was tipped, causing it to sail?

Not that there aren't other examples but I thought that one at least had been debunked?

Still seemed awfully late though regardless.

Maybe I'm talking about a different play, but the one I saw there was no tipped pass. Morris just threw a bad pass, and he threw it late. The receiver was open.