Golden on the offensive line

WTF changed after the first quarter?

We were moving the ball fine then UF's defense settled in and we couldn't execute anything on offense.
 
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Maybe it has to do with them being PUSSIES! They did well the first quarter then got intimidated for the rest of the game. They kept letting the DL talk **** and take cheap shots at Duke without any repercussions. The only player on offense i saw getting in the face of the DL and LBs was Duke. Our OL is suppose to fight those fights for him and protect him. I dont give a **** if we get penalized but we need to man up and start some **** when necessary.

Crazy but our greatly criticized DL played big boy football and our heralded OL played like lil *******

Kill yourself. (for those first 2 sentences)

Agree, the OLine wasn't intimidated at all. I loved the end of the 1st half when neither team would allow the other to go through them. Then Feliciano tries to walk right through the whole UF DL. The OLine definitely didn't back down, its just that the DL group is pretty **** good.

Henderson and Flowers will both be high draft picks. Feliciano and Linder will play in the NFL as well (I think both around the 3rd). We definitely should be better as a group with that many future NFL players. With a new OC, the next 3 weeks are important to get it worked out before ACC play.
 
It's possible but not likely that we will ever have a more talented top 6 OL at Miami than we do this year. If we can't excel there with both the run game and pass pro then yikes.

I'm with this guy. Are all of you saying there aren't at least 4 NFL players in that rotation?

Yes, I'll agree. But the NFL is a passing league so these kids are better suited at pass pro. Although not one of them will play left tackle at the next level.
 
It's possible but not likely that we will ever have a more talented top 6 OL at Miami than we do this year. If we can't excel there with both the run game and pass pro then yikes.

I'm with this guy. Are all of you saying there aren't at least 4 NFL players in that rotation?

True but one of those guys is only a soph and only one of those plays inside(LInder). I'm still on the fence with Felancio. We are very good in pass protection, especially at the tackle position. We just struggle against the better teams in run blocking. Yes we will have our breakdowns there against the bad and so so teams but overall out run game is effective. It only gets exposed against DLs that are, well littered with NFL talent.

The Soph has like 10+ games under his belt. He's not the "young sophomore" that most OLinemen usually are at this point. He's also extremely talented. I think Feliciano plays in the NFL. I don't know how long or if he'll star, but I think he's an NFL lineman.

You take two Tackles - one with 10+ games and the other a senior - who likely end up as 1st or 2nd round draft picks, you add in two interior linemen who will likely play in the NFL, you sprinkle in a highly experienced Center (albeit with size limitations), and you have two highly experienced rotational players (one who has a slew of starts under his belt)...

That's a good situation. Whether or not they get results is also up to what the coordinator is asking them to do and what their unit coach is doing with them so they can execute.

I wasn't knocking Flowers, as he is probably our most talented OL we got, but the statement was rather about the fact he is far from a finished product. Linder will get drafted, SH obviously after that its kinda hazy to be honest with you. Bunche is a great swing guy but his play lately has questioned whether he can be an effective guard, cause while he is an adequate tackle in college, he isn't one at all in the pros. Felancio is one of those guys that lets wait and see. I think he is solid but I just don't see what you see thus far. He is a kid that was asked to play earlier than he should have and surprised by holding his own, but hasn't really improved all that much since then. We will see, still a long season to go but the early returns say we as a fan base, myself included, overrated these guys.

Does Feliciano not get credit because he wasn't a highly touted recruit? I mean there are some games were Feliciano plays great, Henderson plays okay and posters are hyping Sentrel and dogging Feliciano. Feliciano has proven he can play RT and is a nasty OG IMO, not sure what he needs to prove.

And Bunche has been a liability this year.
 
It's possible but not likely that we will ever have a more talented top 6 OL at Miami than we do this year. If we can't excel there with both the run game and pass pro then yikes.

I'm with this guy. Are all of you saying there aren't at least 4 NFL players in that rotation?

Yes, I'll agree. But the NFL is a passing league so these kids are better suited at pass pro. Although not one of them will play left tackle at the next level.

Isn't Flowers a prototypical LT?
 
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Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.


I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

i think his reference was to the one that was intercepted, not the one that if thrown correctly would have picked up the first down.
 
This OL is going on its second year of being dreadful at blowing guys off the LOS. The DL beefed up and is holding it down, so I can't hate Swasey (for once). Fisch had trouble against good teams getting them to generate anything resembling a push, and so does Coley.

That leaves one man. One son of a ****in man..

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.
 
How about we get a bigger sample size?

First game, not really an indicator because they are terrible.

Second game, more of a test but possibly the most difficult DL in football (aka an outlier).

Games 3 and 4 won't tell us much either. There is room for improvement, that is clear IMO.
 
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It's possible but not likely that we will ever have a more talented top 6 OL at Miami than we do this year. If we can't excel there with both the run game and pass pro then yikes.

I'm with this guy. Are all of you saying there aren't at least 4 NFL players in that rotation?

Yes, I'll agree. But the NFL is a passing league so these kids are better suited at pass pro. Although not one of them will play left tackle at the next level.

Isn't Flowers a prototypical LT?

In my opinion, he plays right tackle at the next level.
 
How about we get a bigger sample size?

First game, not really an indicator because they are terrible.

Second game, more of a test but possibly the most difficult DL in football (aka an outlier).

Games 3 and 4 won't tell us much either. There is room for improvement, that is clear IMO.

The VERY good news is Miami won't face a defensive line like that again. Virginia Tech's front 4 will be problematic.
 
I'm with this guy. Are all of you saying there aren't at least 4 NFL players in that rotation?

True but one of those guys is only a soph and only one of those plays inside(LInder). I'm still on the fence with Felancio. We are very good in pass protection, especially at the tackle position. We just struggle against the better teams in run blocking. Yes we will have our breakdowns there against the bad and so so teams but overall out run game is effective. It only gets exposed against DLs that are, well littered with NFL talent.

The Soph has like 10+ games under his belt. He's not the "young sophomore" that most OLinemen usually are at this point. He's also extremely talented. I think Feliciano plays in the NFL. I don't know how long or if he'll star, but I think he's an NFL lineman.

You take two Tackles - one with 10+ games and the other a senior - who likely end up as 1st or 2nd round draft picks, you add in two interior linemen who will likely play in the NFL, you sprinkle in a highly experienced Center (albeit with size limitations), and you have two highly experienced rotational players (one who has a slew of starts under his belt)...

That's a good situation. Whether or not they get results is also up to what the coordinator is asking them to do and what their unit coach is doing with them so they can execute.

I wasn't knocking Flowers, as he is probably our most talented OL we got, but the statement was rather about the fact he is far from a finished product. Linder will get drafted, SH obviously after that its kinda hazy to be honest with you. Bunche is a great swing guy but his play lately has questioned whether he can be an effective guard, cause while he is an adequate tackle in college, he isn't one at all in the pros. Felancio is one of those guys that lets wait and see. I think he is solid but I just don't see what you see thus far. He is a kid that was asked to play earlier than he should have and surprised by holding his own, but hasn't really improved all that much since then. We will see, still a long season to go but the early returns say we as a fan base, myself included, overrated these guys.

Does Feliciano not get credit because he wasn't a highly touted recruit? I mean there are some games were Feliciano plays great, Henderson plays okay and posters are hyping Sentrel and dogging Feliciano. Feliciano has proven he can play RT and is a nasty OG IMO, not sure what he needs to prove.

And Bunche has been a liability this year.

Nope, SH gets the hype for showing flashes of brilliance in the pass blocking as he did against the German last year. First off, and sorry if I am taking this out of context, but saying I'm not sure Felancio is an NFL player is not dogging him. Nasty guard? He has played well for us no doubt, but I don't now about nasty. ND, FSU, and UF, Morris had plenty of time to throw, now the fact he played poorly even with the time to throw is besides the point, but where we got owned in those games was getting no push in the running game. While Nix, Jernigan, and Easley are no joke, they completely destroyed us in those games and essentially made us one dimensional. That leads me to believe that the interior guys we have aren't as good as we thought, plain and simple. It doesn't mean they are trash but certainly not what Lu said was one of the best collections of talent we have ever had at the position or will.

Anyway it's a long season, I expect them to keep improving. Maybe I'm wrong here, hopefully I am, but lets see this OL earn the hype for once. Nov 2nd we will see against FSU, and if Felancio is nasty then he will prove and I will happily be on here to eat a giant plate of crow.
 
Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.


I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.
 
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This OL is going on its second year of being dreadful at blowing guys off the LOS. The DL beefed up and is holding it down, so I can't hate Swasey (for once). Fisch had trouble against good teams getting them to generate anything resembling a push, and so does Coley.

That leaves one man. One son of a ****in man..

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.
 
"Football is a very simple game: you just have to whip the guy in front of you." Butch Davis, circa 1997
 
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Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.


I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

Golden mentioned that play on Hurricane Hotline last night, saying that was his decision to try to go for that instead of just doing an easier catch and run play that would have been safer. I still think Morris was getting jittery by then, though. He was missing high and I think trying to do too much. I'd still like to see them use the TE more on crossing patterns and hitting easier throws to the WR's to set up longer routes later.
 
Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.


I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

The kid is always late on his throws. It's funny how this whole aspect of the game hasn't been talked about more. The story line was that Driskell is so terrible. This game would have been a 35-0 shut out if Morris played for UF. The Gators talk how Driskell gave away the game, completely ignoring the fact that what we had had going on our side was worse.
 
This OL is going on its second year of being dreadful at blowing guys off the LOS. The DL beefed up and is holding it down, so I can't hate Swasey (for once). Fisch had trouble against good teams getting them to generate anything resembling a push, and so does Coley.

That leaves one man. One son of a ****in man..

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.

Had to have meant an end....
 
Playing it safe is something that Golden does that I'm not completely cool with. And when he did decide to take a chance against UF, Morris threw what could have been a devastating interception.


I don't think he was happy with that decision by Coley to air that out on 3rd & 25.

He was very complimentary of Coley after the game, but I think he referenced that play as one that probably shouldn't have been called.

Funny part is that the receiver was wide open on that play. El Girafe' just airmailed the pass and threw it late. It's tough to criticize a corch too much when he dials up a play that has the receiver open, but the QB just coughs up a hairball on the play.

The kid is always late on his throws. It's funny how this whole aspect of the game hasn't been talked about more. The story line was that Driskell is so terrible. This game would have been a 35-0 shut out if Morris played for UF. The Gators talk how Driskell gave away the game, completely ignoring the fact that what we had had going on our side was worse.

Good god.
 
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