Golden on the offensive line

These offensive line debates are starting to read like our defensive line debates last season

The major difference should be that there is talent, depth and experience on the OL unlike last year's DL.

Oh no doubt. Just saying the blame game is in full force.

I for one have no clue what's going on but its usually a collective effort. I'm just leaning more towards these guys being good but not great. We will see some games where we wreck shop though.
 
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Maybe it has to do with them being PUSSIES! They did well the first quarter then got intimidated for the rest of the game. They kept letting the DL talk **** and take cheap shots at Duke without any repercussions. The only player on offense i saw getting in the face of the DL and LBs was Duke. Our OL is suppose to fight those fights for him and protect him. I dont give a **** if we get penalized but we need to man up and start some **** when necessary.

Crazy but our greatly criticized DL played big boy football and our heralded OL played like lil ****es

Kill yourself. (for those first 2 sentences)

Your ****** is clouding your judgement. Go rewatch the second half

Dude STFU.

Just the fact that you actually think our guys were intimidated makes you retarded. I was watching some of our O-linemen talk **** to UF players. Most of those guys have been playing college football for 3 or 4 years and you think they're scared? LOL
 
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### Internally, one of the biggest disappointments Saturday was the offensive line play -– Seantrel Henderson especially struggled, according to a UM staffer -– despite the high-level talent. Brandon Linder was the best of the group, that UM person said. Mel Kiper said UM has at least three NFL linemen.

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Maybe it has to do with them being PUSSIES! They did well the first quarter then got intimidated for the rest of the game. They kept letting the DL talk **** and take cheap shots at Duke without any repercussions. The only player on offense i saw getting in the face of the DL and LBs was Duke. Our OL is suppose to fight those fights for him and protect him. I dont give a **** if we get penalized but we need to man up and start some **** when necessary.

Crazy but our greatly criticized DL played big boy football and our heralded OL played like lil ****es

Kill yourself. (for those first 2 sentences)

Your ****** is clouding your judgement. Go rewatch the second half

Dude STFU.

Just the fact that you actually think our guys were intimidated makes you retarded. I was watching some of our O-linemen talk **** to UF players. Most of those guys have been playing college football for 3 or 4 years and you think they're scared? LOL


so tough guy, the fact that they've been playing for 3-4years means they weren't intimidated in that second half?

You could be prizefighter for the last 10 years and become intimidated during the second half of a fight 30 fights into your career. Time in the game don't mean **** ****head. And if you rewatch the second half of that game you would see our OL getting pushed around for 95% of it and their DL getting in Dukes grill after every tackle without any of the big boys coming to regulate..
 
The Offensive Line knows who to block, they just aren't getting a push at the point of attack And...they aren't creating any running lanes, unless they pull a guard (Feliciano specifically)...

....Problem is with some of our guys, the quickness just isnt there. Our best line may have involved Isadora and Feliciano at guard, and possibly getting Linder some reps at Tackle or even Center, because McDermott sucks.

Lastly, it isn't just the offensive line. Walford continues to struggle at blocking, and I even saw # 82 get tossed out of the way a few times.

The best thing that could have happend vs UF were the scores at the beggining of the game, and we were fortunate to have the turnovers. The football gods were with us.

This offense is still trying to get it together, mostly because the lack of synergy in the blocking schemes.


Agreed with everything said here...

Theres a reason Dyron Dye played ALOT last year....he was waaayyy better than blocking than Warlord and Cleveland..i mean it wasnt even close.

To chime in also...even though alot of what you stated was true....

-On our Zone run handoff out of shotgun to Duke or Clements...that play fundamentally is flawed...We are pulling the backside guard, and were letting Easley go or atleast the tackle was suppose to block him (I played tackle thats a hard reach back and with his get off no chance) that play was blown up 2 or 3 times just off the pulling guard pulling into a **** olineman of ours..or Easley..**** we broke the play with Clements by luck and it got called back on a hold on Flowers where he basically has no choice.

- A few plays i dont know if it is by design but The full back goes in a sort of counter direction..and i guess Duke has a choice to follow..well we need to scrap that one also..sh*t didnt even work against fau.

- The main problem in the run game in my opinion and ive said it even last year...is...for whatever reason we want to run a zone blocking scheme...Even more so with Coley here (Thats all Trickett does @ FSU)..but FSU recruits smaller ol...i see no apparent reason to be zoning like we do witht he behemoths we have...their too clumsy..non athletic and a lot of time their rushing to get to second level while leaving dline man guys free....which happens alot on the zone blocking scheme because you dont have a MAN on a particular play..but an area....

* If any one knows this its me...i Played in a zone blocking scheme 3 yrs in college playing left tackle...pretty much the same one were running now...Its a reason why on the sack we gave up to Powell i knew exactly who's fault it was and it wasnt the tackle.

Think we need to go unbalanced some with this line...a little less zone runs to the short side of the field...and honestly utilize Eduardo Clements/ Mo Hagens a bit more in a down hill mode.

Fundamentally i saw our run game getting eaten up by UF before the game...the minute is aw the UF game even with Duke running wild....No way in **** you run that zone blocking scheme against Easley an company the way they get u the field and expect to have success. U go right @ Easley...or maybe trap him with quick hitters...no way you say...hey Mcdermott turn your *** sideways and reach block for the MLB...dont worry the back side guard got your back..he'll pick him up...lol
 
I made a thread about the center being weak a couple weeks ago and got blasted, now its common knowledge on here that McDermott's a liability. meh.

Anyway, I can see where people look at how there's been two defensive coordinators now and its been the same result, so it's either on Kehoe or the line just isn't that good. But Coley is still using a lot of aspects of Jedd's offense and still running stretch and zone running plays. This could still be up to scheme.

Has Kehoe coached a lot of zone running when he was here before?

What does it mean when you have such solid pass protection but such bad run blocking? Is it a coincidence that pretty much the entire line excels at one but not the other? How is that we trust our line against the best pass rushers in college but we can't blow FAU off the ball? Probably has a lot to do with what Gogeta just mentioned
 
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I made a thread about the center being weak a couple weeks ago and got blasted, now its common knowledge on here that McDermott's a liability. meh.

Anyway, I can see where people look at how there's been two defensive coordinators now and its been the same result, so it's either on Kehoe or the line just isn't that good. But Coley is still using a lot of aspects of Jedd's offense and still running stretch and zone running plays. This could still be up to scheme.

Has Kehoe coached a lot of zone running when he was here before?

What does it mean when you have such solid pass protection but such bad run blocking? Is it a coincidence that pretty much the entire line excels at one but not the other? How is that we trust our line against the best pass rushers in college but we can't blow FAU off the ball? Probably has a lot to do with what Gogeta just mentioned

its common knowledge the center spot with Mcdermott is the "weak link".....i dont know wh o blasted you...

But generally most of the board would go with Linder @ Center even though hes likely our best guard.

Mcdermott isnt that strong...and imo when makes contact doesnt run his feet enough...he probably knows all the calls...and is solid...against a Dom Easley...just being solid gets your lunch money took.

Oh it isnt just on our side though....That Harrison @ UF is likely their best lineman......he imo got his sh*t pushed in by Curtis Porter and Justin Renfrow....Harrison said after the game he couldnt give the w to um that they gave it away...i lol'd.....go watch the film...he got NO MOVEMENT on CP all game...ii mean CP would just press out on dude and it looked like Harrison was in quicksand...same with Renfrow came in. I loved it...It free'd up Perryman ALL GAME....

* On the fact of our good pass pro....Its probably this....In pass pro we usually have a FAN Protection called to whatever side..which is outside guys first...so @ Times Seantrel could be catching a blitzing cb because his head is suppose to be outside...and in pass pro our guys genuinely know who their blocking..wellw ith our behemoths if they know who their getting and get their hands on u.......FINITO..Flowers locks up on u and your like a guy getting kicked out of CLUB LIV..Same with Hendo.

* In the zone run blocking scheme im telling you....you relly dont have a man persay...on a outside zone run the tackle alot of times would just run his guy off..and head up field...like i said before you have an area..which allows for lanes....well when one guy in the zone scheme trips over his foot...the area he has is vacated and now theres a dl there and maybe a blitzing lb..PLAY dead. When guys are unsure who to block..guess what happens thy fire off the ball and get no one @ times..also when dlineman get up the field quick in the zone scheme it screws it up and you would end up with guys picking up a guy that they didnt expect to be there wile letting another run free.....

Man i understand it being i played in it....and @ times our offense in college looked like sh*t running the ball...pretty much most of the time....because of what i said above...but we generallyw ere solid in pass pro. Against UF alot of what is aid above happened from my rewatch of the game..and generally some guys got beat head to head.
 
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The big run that Clements had, that was called back on a BS holding penalty, was one where he took the shotgun handoff and countered back to the side he was lined up on, rather than going across the formation.
 
While the zone blocking scheme arguments are compelling, I remain skeptical of Kehoe, based on a large body of work, where our OLs have underperformed. Nothing in the last two years has changed that.
 
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I'll wait until 2014 and 2015 to see what Kehoe can do once he gets a real OL out there. In 2016 Miami will have a 2012 Alabama type offensive line. Which is going to be great to watch.
 
This OL is going on its second year of being dreadful at blowing guys off the LOS. The DL beefed up and is holding it down, so I can't hate Swasey (for once). Fisch had trouble against good teams getting them to generate anything resembling a push, and so does Coley.

That leaves one man. One son of a ****in man..

Beef them up all you want but the SECOND STEP always wins. You couldn't make them any quicker off the ball. Why do you think the top tier teams in the SEC dominate? It's a trench league. They go after and sign the best big men in the country bar none. Florida was extremely quick off the line of scrimmage. Once you beat your guy to the point of attack it is easy to get under his pads. Once you're under his pads, bye, bye. Dominique Easley is a flipping animal and he is lightning quick. He's make a dynamite 3-4 tackle at the next level.

Easley a 3-4 Tackle? I don't see it.

Had to have meant an end....

Yeah, I'm showing my age. Yes, a 3-technique defensive end.
 
I made a thread about the center being weak a couple weeks ago and got blasted, now its common knowledge on here that McDermott's a liability. meh.

Anyway, I can see where people look at how there's been two defensive coordinators now and its been the same result, so it's either on Kehoe or the line just isn't that good. But Coley is still using a lot of aspects of Jedd's offense and still running stretch and zone running plays. This could still be up to scheme.

Has Kehoe coached a lot of zone running when he was here before?

What does it mean when you have such solid pass protection but such bad run blocking? Is it a coincidence that pretty much the entire line excels at one but not the other? How is that we trust our line against the best pass rushers in college but we can't blow FAU off the ball? Probably has a lot to do with what Gogeta just mentioned

its common knowledge the center spot with Mcdermott is the "weak link".....i dont know wh o blasted you...

But generally most of the board would go with Linder @ Center even though hes likely our best guard.

Mcdermott isnt that strong...and imo when makes contact doesnt run his feet enough...he probably knows all the calls...and is solid...against a Dom Easley...just being solid gets your lunch money took.

Oh it isnt just on our side though....That Harrison @ UF is likely their best lineman......he imo got his sh*t pushed in by Curtis Porter and Justin Renfrow....Harrison said after the game he couldnt give the w to um that they gave it away...i lol'd.....go watch the film...he got NO MOVEMENT on CP all game...ii mean CP would just press out on dude and it looked like Harrison was in quicksand...same with Renfrow came in. I loved it...It free'd up Perryman ALL GAME....

* On the fact of our good pass pro....Its probably this....In pass pro we usually have a FAN Protection called to whatever side..which is outside guys first...so @ Times Seantrel could be catching a blitzing cb because his head is suppose to be outside...and in pass pro our guys genuinely know who their blocking..wellw ith our behemoths if they know who their getting and get their hands on u.......FINITO..Flowers locks up on u and your like a guy getting kicked out of CLUB LIV..Same with Hendo.

* In the zone run blocking scheme im telling you....you relly dont have a man persay...on a outside zone run the tackle alot of times would just run his guy off..and head up field...like i said before you have an area..which allows for lanes....well when one guy in the zone scheme trips over his foot...the area he has is vacated and now theres a dl there and maybe a blitzing lb..PLAY dead. When guys are unsure who to block..guess what happens thy fire off the ball and get no one @ times..also when dlineman get up the field quick in the zone scheme it screws it up and you would end up with guys picking up a guy that they didnt expect to be there wile letting another run free.....

Man i understand it being i played in it....and @ times our offense in college looked like sh*t running the ball...pretty much most of the time....because of what i said above...but we generallyw ere solid in pass pro. Against UF alot of what is aid above happened from my rewatch of the game..and generally some guys got beat head to head.

Excellent analysis on zone blocking....
 
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Maybe it has to do with them being PUSSIES! They did well the first quarter then got intimidated for the rest of the game. They kept letting the DL talk **** and take cheap shots at Duke without any repercussions. The only player on offense i saw getting in the face of the DL and LBs was Duke. Our OL is suppose to fight those fights for him and protect him. I dont give a **** if we get penalized but we need to man up and start some **** when necessary.

Crazy but our greatly criticized DL played big boy football and our heralded OL played like lil ****es

Kill yourself. (for those first 2 sentences)

Your ****** is clouding your judgement. Go rewatch the second half

Dude STFU.

Just the fact that you actually think our guys were intimidated makes you retarded. I was watching some of our O-linemen talk **** to UF players. Most of those guys have been playing college football for 3 or 4 years and you think they're scared? LOL


so tough guy, the fact that they've been playing for 3-4years means they weren't intimidated in that second half?

You could be prizefighter for the last 10 years and become intimidated during the second half of a fight 30 fights into your career. Time in the game don't mean **** ****head. And if you rewatch the second half of that game you would see our OL getting pushed around for 95% of it and their DL getting in Dukes grill after every tackle without any of the big boys coming to regulate..

Why would they suddenly get intimidated in the second half after having some early success? To use your prize fighter analogy, if you're intimidated, then you're intimidated right from the beginning, not after having early success. See Michael Spinks v. Michael Tyson.
 
I'll say it:

Seantrel stinks

Been waiting for this guy to go out there and maul people to death for 4 years now. I think he's soft. He stinks and i don't like him.
 
I made a thread about the center being weak a couple weeks ago and got blasted, now its common knowledge on here that McDermott's a liability. meh.

Anyway, I can see where people look at how there's been two defensive coordinators now and its been the same result, so it's either on Kehoe or the line just isn't that good. But Coley is still using a lot of aspects of Jedd's offense and still running stretch and zone running plays. This could still be up to scheme.

Has Kehoe coached a lot of zone running when he was here before?

What does it mean when you have such solid pass protection but such bad run blocking? Is it a coincidence that pretty much the entire line excels at one but not the other? How is that we trust our line against the best pass rushers in college but we can't blow FAU off the ball? Probably has a lot to do with what Gogeta just mentioned

This scheme isn't Kehoe's. He doesn't have that sort of juice to be dictating what type of run scheme we will use. It started with Fish and Coley's using it now probably to keep continuity and also because that's what they did at fsu.

The Don mentioned the day after the game that it's on the corches to get the running game straightened out and to put the players in a better position to succeed. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw what we saw with that zone scheme and that putting this particular OL in a better position to succeed will involve using more man blocking schemes in the run game. Watching those behemoths trying to hand guys off as they flew past them upfield against u*** was really odd.
 
I don't like the rotation's and subs except a player here and there to spell certain guys. They'll get this thing straightened out. We have two games to get the Offense fixed up for conference play. I'm curious to see what the offense does to VTech defense. I wasn't concerned about VT. The only game I was even slightly worried about was FSU. We will see what's up when we play VT. VT did some things to Alabama and Western Carolina. I thought VT would 6-6 or worse this season. But they could win 8-10 games this season with the D.

So first test will be FSU. Second Test is the VT defense.
 
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