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rsa coral gables said:
he gets the D?

what is happening here?
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TheOriginalCane said:
Fair enough, I changed "everyone". It was kinda/sorta sarcastic anyhow, but I take your point.

As for the university president, I'm not sure anyone "cares" in the sense of "I picked Miami over Florida because of Donna Shalala". But I think when you have a good university president, it helps with the overall evaluation. Regardless of whether any HS senior had any political views about Donna (pro or con), I think (almost) everyone felt that she was well-qualified and really cared about UM and improving UM and its students.

I know that when I went to Foote's house during Orientation...and I met him on many occasions...I was impressed and felt confident that UM had solid leadership skills.
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Agree all the way around.

For the record, if I ever meet you in person, we will continue this dialogue. And I know better than to argue with an attorney.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Agree all the way around.

For the record, if I ever meet you in person, we will continue this dialogue. And I know better than to argue with an attorney.
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It's all good, sir. I respect you and I am only using your post, as a response, to address some broader issues, no problems with you whatsoever.

Appreciate it!
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
So, a couple of things. It's not that UM is in a terrible spot, just that almost everything has been slipping and Frenk has done nothing.

First, to the extent that some aspects of UM are doing well, they have NOTHING to do with Frenk's intervention. For instance, I am an alum of the Business School (undergrad and MBA), and I assure you that the success of the B-School is due to decades worth of effort on the part of deans, development, and faculty, and not from anything new that Frenk brought to the table.

Second, everything (outside of Med) has been suffering, some things in actuality, some things reputationally. There are also other aspects of Frenk's persona which have been disastrous on an operational level. I do not want to blow up anything that can be better said by other posters (I know of at least two who teach at UM), but there is almost universal HAPPINESS among the faculty and administration now that Frenk is leaving. Do you know how hard that is to accomplish? Usually, at least a fraction of the faculty/staff likes a President because that's how they got their jobs. The arrogance, lack of leadership, and deficit of interpersonal skills have created NO FRIENDS for Julio at any level at UM. Even Echevarria...well, I don't want to spill the beans on that, but I've been hinting for the past year that they are not (or are no longer) as close as some people assumed they were.

The bottom line is that whether it is TRUE OR NOT, our rankings (across multiple sources, including USNWR and Forbes) have been declining. Whether there are REASONS is a fair question. Whether a president can TAKE ACTION is different, and it is my belief that Frenk should have been doing a lot more. There were some things that SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE on the statistical data front as soon as we started to slip from the 30s (even if part of it was a change in the USNWR weighting scale). Other things could have been addressed if Julio had simply been a tireless and dedicated spokesman for how great UM is, and that is inclusive of the ATHLETICS as well.

Julio has been a quiet, mousy president whose only bold statements have ever involved (a) his introductory press conference, and (b) medical subjects, including COVID-19. Other than that, you couldn't identify a single hallmark idea or innovation that he has brought to UM.

OTHER PEOPLE had to tell him what was up with Athletics, whether it was Kirk Herbstreit (via Jonathan Vilma) or the Echevarria/Fernandez team who told him that Beta Blake was a disaster.

D+ and he's lucky for that grade and the chance to improve his marks at UCLA.
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Have you taken a class lately? It's pretty hard to get a C.
 
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3FW said:
Interesting to see what happens here. Is Echevarria in the mix, does he stay or leave depending on the outcome?
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He's CEO of UHealth.

Far more important an organization than UM....let's not kid ourselves.

To be honest, UHealth is now an emerging health care system with a school attached (that happens to have a football team) vs UM is a school that also happens to have a health system.


I could see a scenario whereby in years ahead there is some sort of severing legally between UM school and UHealth, but name stays.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Again, I've said this before.

There is a fundamental difference between GIVING SOMEONE A JOB based on ethnicity...and noting someone's ethnicity on a PRESS RELEASE announcing a hire.

Two completely different things.

Frenk didn't get the job because of his ethnicity. And he didn't get fired because of his ethnicity.

Why "mention it"? Because the University of Miami is located in a very diverse area, and he was the first president in nearly 100 years to reflect the ethnicity of many in South Florida. Why can't people have a bit of pride in such things, without it crossing over into the REASON he got a job?

It's just an issue that distracts and detracts from the reality of what is really going on. "On-the-job Julio" is nowhere as good as "Interview Julio". That's a fact.
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OC, you are wasting your time bringing logic into this conversation . You forgot a key part of this conversation, a lot of people believe that it is beyond impossible for any person of color to ever be the best candidate for any job, PERIOD. Those same people will scream about an imminently qualified minority being a DEI hire, but consistently vote for people that couldn't complete high school, or are ignorant of basic responsibilities of their office.

Frenk failed as University President, but he was more than qualified to fill the role, based on his resume coming in. He also reflected the diversity that the University of Miami prides itself in. Keep in mind, this is a school that has always been on the cutting edge in regards to welcoming all, something schools like FSU and UF still refuse to do in a lot of cases. For the life of me, I'll never understand how we have fans that root for a University that has made it clear for decades that The U is for everyone.
 
Canedude08 said:
OC, you are wasting your time bringing logic into this conversation . You forgot a key part of this conversation, a lot of people believe that it is beyond impossible for any person of color to ever be the best candidate for any job, PERIOD. Those same people will scream about an imminently qualified minority being a DEI hire, but consistently vote for people that couldn't complete high school, or are ignorant of basic responsibilities of their office.

Frenk failed as University President, but he was more than qualified to fill the role, based on his resume coming in. He also reflected the diversity that the University of Miami prides itself in. Keep in mind, this is a school that has always been on the cutting edge in regards to welcoming all, something schools like FSU and UF still refuse to do in a lot of cases. For the life of me, I'll never understand how we have fans that root for a University that has made it clear for decades that The U is for everyone.
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I cannot disagree with anything you posted.

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Canedude08 said:
OC, you are wasting your time bringing logic into this conversation . You forgot a key part of this conversation, a lot of people believe that it is beyond impossible for any person of color to ever be the best candidate for any job, PERIOD. Those same people will scream about an imminently qualified minority being a DEI hire, but consistently vote for people that couldn't complete high school, or are ignorant of basic responsibilities of their office.

Frenk failed as University President, but he was more than qualified to fill the role, based on his resume coming in. He also reflected the diversity that the University of Miami prides itself in. Keep in mind, this is a school that has always been on the cutting edge in regards to welcoming all, something schools like FSU and UF still refuse to do in a lot of cases. For the life of me, I'll never understand how we have fans that root for a University that has made it clear for decades that The U is for everyone.
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Holy smokes untrue.

Frenk was, and remains unqualified, because he's a herbivore academic through and through. Has nothing to do with his latino-ness, it has to do with his dumbass-ness.

Condi Rice, for her faults to be sure, is a meat eating carnivore killer and is probably the all-around perfect candidate.

Dr Atul Gawande is a carnivore, but heavily [I'll concede exclusively] focused on healthcare.

Those would be among my top wish list choices, neither is coming here, neither is "white" and would by all acounts check several "diverse" boxes except [Empy checks his notes] don't come from a certain party. C'mon now friend, please don't be exhausting.

I'll further add...90%+ of University Presidents are wholly unqualified for their positions because they come from.academia. They are nothing more than hemophiliacs to the real world who bleed out at the slighest knick of reality. They get those positions only because of the self-licking ice cream cone that is academia.

Echevarria is a carnivore...he is the successful "CEO-savior" of UHealth not by accident.

He would also make an excellent choice at being a leader UM needs.

To me a good indicator you have the right choice? Several entrenched faculty are upset, then you know you are right on target.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
Holy smokes untrue.

Frenk was, and remains unqualified, because he's a herbivore academic through and through. Has nothing to do with his latino-ness, it has to do with his dumbass-ness.

Condi Rice, for her faults to be sure, is a meat eating carnivore killer and is probably the all-around perfect candidate.

Dr Atul Gawande is a carnivore, but heavily [I'll concede exclusively] focused on healthcare.

Those would be among my top wish list choices, neither is coming here, neither is "white" and would by all acounts check several "diverse" boxes except [Empy checks his notes] don't come from a certain party. C'mon now friend, please don't be exhausting.

I'll further add...90%+ of University Presidents are wholly unqualified for their positions because they come from.academia. They are nothing more than hemophiliacs to the real world who bleed out at the slighest knick of reality. They get those positions only because of the self-licking ice cream cone that is academia.

Echevarria is a carnivore...he is the successful "CEO-savior" of UHealth not by accident.

He would also make an excellent choice at being a leader UM needs.

To me a good indicator you have the right choice? Several entrenched faculty are upset, then you know you are right on target.
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I’ll piggy back off of this. I read a ton of Frenk’s research when I was in medical school. The director of my program is great friends with him and is an epidemiologist and public health official like Frenk is. Even deeper, Frenk’s wife is friends with my director’s wife, who was also a professor of mine, and she is a qualitative researcher with a psychology background as well. The two are brilliant in the community research and public health space.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t exactly translate to running a university system, especially a private one. I agree with Empirical Cane on this. Universities, even more than a health care system in my opinion, must be run as a business. The purely academic type is often overwhelmed with all the ancillary elements that comprise a university. It’s why Frenk didn’t understand the whole sports thing until he got ****ed that Herbstreit called him out for “not caring”.

My best friend is a high ranking official at another local Miami university and a Rabid Canes Fan. The first thing he said when Echevarria was announced was “ I wonder how the faculty feels about the CEO type being their new boss”.

IMO, the CEO type, Carlos Migoya/Echevarria of the world, is exactly what UM needs to get back on track.
 
rsa coral gables said:
here is who we need.

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Nope. This isn't Liberty and Condi wouldn't be a good cultural fit for the University and what we stand for. Thousands of soldiers died because she saw the middle east through the prism of the Cold War, despite that viewpoint being outside of reality for well over a decade by that point.

Bright lady, not shocked our conservative fans would be clamoring for her. Miami can and should do better.
 
Canedude08 said:
Nope. This isn't Liberty and Condi wouldn't be a good cultural fit for the University and what we stand for. Thousands of soldiers died because she saw the middle east through the prism of the Cold War, despite that viewpoint being outside of reality for well over a decade by that point.

Bright lady, not shocked our conservative fans would be clamoring for her. Miami can and should do better.
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i agree that she is not a good fit for the Marxist faculty but any university would be privileged to have her. we will go the likes of shalala and frenk, two of the most uninspiring hacks to walk the face of the earth.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
i agree that she is not a good fit for the Marxist faculty but any university would be privileged to have her. we will go the likes of shalala and frenk, two of the most uninspiring hacks to walk the face of the earth.
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The fact that you think Dr. Shalala is a hack is all I need to know about your lack of knowledge on this topic. I get it, you think anyone to the left of Goldwater is a pinko commie, but join us here in reality. The faculty of the University, like any institution of higher learning will lean to the left, just like you won't find many liberals working on Wall Street. That said, you have to work with those people, and a neocon isn't the kind of person that would be able to navigate those waters.
 
rsa coral gables said:
i agree that she is not a good fit for the Marxist faculty but any university would be privileged to have her. we will go the likes of shalala and frenk, two of the most uninspiring hacks to walk the face of the earth.
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Marxist call out is so tired and cliche.
 
Ispyin said:
Marxist call out is so tired and cliche.
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but accurate. any faculty that puts equity, race, gender and sexual preference over any other idea is the perfect definition of cultural Marxism. sorry it hurts, meng.

here you go, a perfect example of good scholarly work by a UM law professor. i stopped donating to the school in 1998 after i saw that money was being spent by this guy and others on this bull****. nah!

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