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MEGA Frenk Out - Who Next?

BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Please understand that I'm not looking to make this a thing. When the University pushes the first Latin university president thing, it's ok to make it about ethnicity; but when he gets canned/resigned/forced out/moved on, it's not ok to make it about ethnicity or even mention it?

I see some slight differences and nuance between the two, but it's not much. Why mention it in the first place? It seems a little disingenuous that's all. I don't have the answer nor do I expect one from you or anyone else for that matter. It's a convoluted world we live in, especially when race and ethnicity are brought into the fold.
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Again, I've said this before.

There is a fundamental difference between GIVING SOMEONE A JOB based on ethnicity...and noting someone's ethnicity on a PRESS RELEASE announcing a hire.

Two completely different things.

Frenk didn't get the job because of his ethnicity. And he didn't get fired because of his ethnicity.

Why "mention it"? Because the University of Miami is located in a very diverse area, and he was the first president in nearly 100 years to reflect the ethnicity of many in South Florida. Why can't people have a bit of pride in such things, without it crossing over into the REASON he got a job?

It's just an issue that distracts and detracts from the reality of what is really going on. "On-the-job Julio" is nowhere as good as "Interview Julio". That's a fact.
 

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TheOriginalCane said:
Again, I've said this before.

There is a fundamental difference between GIVING SOMEONE A JOB based on ethnicity...and noting someone's ethnicity on a PRESS RELEASE announcing a hire.

Two completely different things.

Frenk didn't get the job because of his ethnicity. And he didn't get fired because of his ethnicity.

Why "mention it"? Because the University of Miami is located in a very diverse area, and he was the first president in nearly 100 years to reflect the ethnicity of many in South Florida. Why can't people have a bit of pride in such things, without it crossing over into the REASON he got a job?

It's just an issue that distracts and detracts from the reality of what is really going on. "On-the-job Julio" is nowhere as good as "Interview Julio". That's a fact.
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TheOriginalCane said:
Again, I've said this before.

There is a fundamental difference between GIVING SOMEONE A JOB based on ethnicity...and noting someone's ethnicity on a PRESS RELEASE announcing a hire.

Two completely different things.

Frenk didn't get the job because of his ethnicity. And he didn't get fired because of his ethnicity.

Why "mention it"? Because the University of Miami is located in a very diverse area, and he was the first president in nearly 100 years to reflect the ethnicity of many in South Florida. Why can't people have a bit of pride in such things, without it crossing over into the REASON he got a job?

It's just an issue that distracts and detracts from the reality of what is really going on. "On-the-job Julio" is nowhere as good as "Interview Julio". That's a fact.
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While I genearlly agree with all your points, I am guessing that the university cares more about its status as a gateway to Latin America rather than the demographics of South Florida. I think that is really the reason to highlight it. Also, the university has a lot of students applying from latin america and does a lot of programs with LatAm. He was hired on merit, but being latin american made Frenk naturally more qualified for what UM was trying to do as a university than the admiral from Tufts.
 
Rickd said:
He was hired due to his resume and accomplishments which were impressive. He just happened to BE Mexican, and had been the Minister of Health in Mexico, and had an impressive position at Harvard. He wasn't hired BECAUSE he was Latino, it was just a fact and a fact that in the Miami / Dade community, being so rich in Latin culture, was viewed as an added "somewhat beneficial" aspect of his bio.

He certainly wasn't asked to move on because of his Latin background. It was due to the fact that his management style and focus was not producing the desired results in the academic arena in which the University of Miami operates and competes. Julio as an individual didn't appear to have much interest in the athletic endeavors of the university either, and that is a personal issue, not ethnic.

As was noted earlier, he likely would have been asked to move on 4 years ago, but the Covid "period" provided a brief period in which his health management experience / expertise apparently provided some valuable insights and direction. I always preferred the retired admiral ... I felt he was analytical, educated, and results oriented.
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reggie85 said:
While I genearlly agree with all your points, I am guessing that the university cares more about its status as a gateway to Latin America rather than the demographics of South Florida. I think that is really the reason to highlight it. Also, the university has a lot of students applying from latin america and does a lot of programs with LatAm. He was hired on merit, but being latin american made Frenk naturally more qualified for what UM was trying to do as a university than the admiral from Tufts.
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Look, this is just a load of nonsense, and I actually VASTLY PREFERRED Stavridis to Frenk.

The fact remains, Frenk's background was in medicine. And that's the horse that the BOT chose to ride 10 years ago.

If you changed his name to John Frenk, swapped all of his work in Mexico for work in Canada, and gave him an even softer personality and weaker leadership style, he would have still won out over Stavridis. And that sucks, but it's true.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look, this is just a load of nonsense, and I actually VASTLY PREFERRED Stavridis to Frenk.

The fact remains, Frenk's background was in medicine. And that's the horse that the BOT chose to ride 10 years ago.

If you changed his name to John Frenk, swapped all of his work in Mexico for work in Canada, and gave him an even softer personality and weaker leadership style, he would have still won out over Stavridis. And that sucks, but it's true.
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These two things are not mutually exclusive though. Being Latin American is undoubtedly a positive for whoever is UM president given our connection to the region. I'm sure healthcare was the deciding factor, but that doesn't mean that him being Latin American wasn't also viewed favorably. It's a fact of the univeristy, we rely much more on international students than FSU or UF and we use it as a major selling point of the school - same as our medical system.
 
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reggie85 said:
These two things are not mutually exclusive though. Being Latin American is undoubtedly a positive for whoever is UM president given our connection to the region. I'm sure healthcare was the deciding factor, but that doesn't mean that him being Latin American wasn't also viewed favorably. It's a fact of the univeristy, we rely much more on international students than FSU or UF and we use it as a major selling point of the school - same as our medical system.
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the storm said:
Just to clarify, Frenk will be CHANCELLOR at UCLA overseeing 10 satellite campuses and will report to the President of the University. He is not the head honcho. It appears to be a step down for him. He’s leaving immediately saying it’s a 6 month "sabattical” until he assumes his new role.
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That’s not how it works.

He’s absolutely in charge of ucla and its satellites - its not a step down.

It’s just a huge public system. He reports to the president of the overall UC system and board of regents which includes Berkeley uc Davis, Irvine, San Diego Santa Barbara and several others.

Which is a different system than cal state system- cal state north ridge cal state king beach etc
 
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the storm said:
Just to clarify, Frenk will be CHANCELLOR at UCLA overseeing 10 satellite campuses and will report to the President of the University. He is not the head honcho. It appears to be a step down for him. He’s leaving immediately saying it’s a 6 month "sabattical” until he assumes his new role.
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He got fired meng.
 
Ispyin said:
That’s not how it works.

He’s absolutely in charge of ucla and its satellites - its not a step down.

It’s just a huge public system. He reports to the president of the overall UC system and board of regents which includes Berkeley uc Davis, Irvine, San Diego Santa Barbara and several others.

Which is a different system than cal state system- cal state north ridge cal state king beach etc
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He still got fired meng.
 
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Ispyin said:
That’s not how it works.

He’s absolutely in charge of ucla and its satellites - its not a step down.

It’s just a huge public system. He reports to the president of the overall UC system and board of regents which includes Berkeley uc Davis, Irvine, San Diego Santa Barbara and several others.

Which is a different system than cal state system- cal state north ridge cal state king beach etc
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Whatever you say, Dr Frenk. Enjoy your sabbatical and transition
 
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