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MEGA Frenk Out - Who Next?

Wake_Cane said:
All due respect that is not remotely consistent with what I see.
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What are you seeing? Law school is in shambles, comp sci is basically irrelevant in any sense. Rankings across the board and associated national perceptions are all down etc.
 

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TheOriginalCane said:
Please stop with this nonsense.

As an academic, Frenk has a good resume. And from what some of us have heard from people at both UCLA and UM, he actually INTERVIEWS for a job very well.

Fain took issue with Stavridis. The rest is history.

Can we please stop making this about Frenk's ethnicity?
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Please understand that I'm not looking to make this a thing. When the University pushes the first Latin university president thing, it's ok to make it about ethnicity; but when he gets canned/resigned/forced out/moved on, it's not ok to make it about ethnicity or even mention it?

I see some slight differences and nuance between the two, but it's not much. Why mention it in the first place? It seems a little disingenuous that's all. I don't have the answer nor do I expect one from you or anyone else for that matter. It's a convoluted world we live in, especially when race and ethnicity are brought into the fold.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Please stop with this nonsense.

As an academic, Frenk has a good resume. And from what some of us have heard from people at both UCLA and UM, he actually INTERVIEWS for a job very well.

Fain took issue with Stavridis. The rest is history.

Can we please stop making this about Frenk's ethnicity?
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Sound like a bunch of Noles in this post
 
I’m not sure how people can’t get the difference between mentioning that something is the first “x”once a hire is done in a bio versus hiring somebody because they are the first “x”


I’m also kind of confused that some of you apparently don’t know the difference between Mexico and Cuba as if being Mexican in South Florida is the Hispanic you want to be because they’re all the same….

Pox on your houses for making me even on one level have to defend him when I’m so glad he’s gone but bs is bs (being kind just using bs) and needs to be called out.
 
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Ispyin said:
I’m not sure how people can’t get the difference between mentioning that something is the first “x”once a hire is done in a bio versus hiring somebody because they are the first “x”


I’m also kind of confused that some of you apparently don’t know the difference between Mexico and Cuba as if being Mexican in South Florida is the Hispanic you want to be because they’re all the same….

Pox on your houses for making me even on one level have to defend him when I’m so glad he’s gone but bs is bs (being kind just using bs) and needs to be called out.
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If you are directing your comments at me, I'm happy to respond. If you're making general comments regarding most who mentioned "Latin," then ok and disregard.

I can't speak for everyone, but I do see the difference in the first comment you made. It wasn't "mentioned" though; it was promoted by the University. Do I thnk Frenk was hired because he is Mexican/Latin? No. Do I think it helped? Maybe. When the University promoted that he was the first Latin hire at University president, it didn't confirm that it helped or was a considerationin the hiring process; nor did it refute that concept. Is it a big deal? To me, no not really. To some, yes I guess.

Defending his ethnicity and Frenk as a person is quite different than defending him as University president. I hope you see that. If I have offended you, I do apologize. I also feel like discussions like this are beneficial if both sides listen to the other with the intention on listening to understand, rather than listening to respond or defend. I used the term race earlier in this thread. I was corrected. The proper term is ethnicity. I'm grateful for the gentleman (ok, that might be a stretch - joke) who pointed that out to me. I had never really thought about it lke that before. Shame on me? Eh, not really but it was a learning moment.

Ahora, con respeto tus comentarios sobre el tema a la agrupación junto de los Mexicanos y los Cubanos, tengo muchos amigos mexicanos, cubanos, puertoriqueños, colombianos, salvadoreños y más. Despues de conociendoles por un rato, usualmente rompo sus huevos llamandoles "mexicanos" si ellos son de Cuba simplemente por las reisas. Ellos saben que no soy un pendejo racisto, solo soy un pendejo. Y no te preocupes, ellos se reompen mis huevos más. Somos amigos y todos saben que nuestros corazones están en un lugar bueno. Tambien, hay un nivel de respeto más alto porque puedo comunicar con ellos en su idioma....la idioma que he gastado mucho tiempo aprendiendo. Isn't this sort of how it should be? And I get it, you don't "know" me; you just know my internet persona as Mr. Cincinnati.

I hope this puts this to rest, at least from me. If there's more that you'd like to add - especially if I'm missing something - feel free to direct message me. I meant for this response to be completely respectful, so if you did not receive it that way, please do let me know.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Please understand that I'm not looking to make this a thing. When the University pushes the first Latin university president thing, it's ok to make it about ethnicity; but when he gets canned/resigned/forced out/moved on, it's not ok to make it about ethnicity or even mention it?

I see some slight differences and nuance between the two, but it's not much. Why mention it in the first place? It seems a little disingenuous that's all. I don't have the answer nor do I expect one from you or anyone else for that matter. It's a convoluted world we live in, especially when race and ethnicity are brought into the fold.
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He was hired due to his resume and accomplishments which were impressive. He just happened to BE Mexican, and had been the Minister of Health in Mexico, and had an impressive position at Harvard. He wasn't hired BECAUSE he was Latino, it was just a fact and a fact that in the Miami / Dade community, being so rich in Latin culture, was viewed as an added "somewhat beneficial" aspect of his bio.

He certainly wasn't asked to move on because of his Latin background. It was due to the fact that his management style and focus was not producing the desired results in the academic arena in which the University of Miami operates and competes. Julio as an individual didn't appear to have much interest in the athletic endeavors of the university either, and that is a personal issue, not ethnic.

As was noted earlier, he likely would have been asked to move on 4 years ago, but the Covid "period" provided a brief period in which his health management experience / expertise apparently provided some valuable insights and direction. I always preferred the retired admiral ... I felt he was analytical, educated, and results oriented.
 
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