For those bashing our defensive staff for not closing...

[SinisterCane]

The Panda sunshine pumpers grindin' early in the AM

 

[PSU Cane]

These are our top 5 corners headed into next season:

Bandy- 4*
Blades- 4*
Ivey- 4*
Frierson- 4*
Couch- 4*

Given what Rumph has done with his other corners, this is 124th on the list of things we should be concerned about.

I'm still concerned about overall depth in the defensive backfield. In the world of spread offenses and nickel coverage, we are only barely 2 deep across the board if you add in Bethel. 6 corners total.

Then you look at the mess at Safety (oh boy):
Gurvan Hall
Amari Carter
Robert Knowles
Derrick Smith (if he striker full time?)
Keontra Smith

Any injuries happen at S or guys struggle and one of those Hybrid corners may need to flex over. In SoFla, we shouldn't be having depth issues at DB the way we do. With so much put into Jobe and now Stevenson, we missed out on other top kids. We need Emerson in a bad way. These guys make up a lot of core special teams as well.

 

[504CANE4LIFE]

Sickening picture you’re painting but very realistic. I didn’t expect Diaz to fire Banda because he’s basically his son. And we already saw how having your son on staff goes. But to keep Rumph was a real head scratcher. There’s never been a bigger bust as a recruiter in college football. The guy missed on every kid he coached and some since Pee Wee.

I don’t know how we fix the defensive recruiting with all the same guys. But I guess we’ll see how it goes. Manny seems like a bright guy so hopefully he has a good plan aside from “we just need to win more games.”

This the **** **** me off with some of yall. With all do respect OP idk who Rumph recruited who on the team now so I'm not talking bout what ur saying bout him but he showing his coaching value in my opinion. I'm talking bout the disrespect we show these young boys we have in da secondary now. I'm taking them any day over all them dudes who didn't want Da U on their helmet period. Da young ones are talented we got in the secondary and down for Da U and talk like they ain't ****. I'm a fan since da 80's day gets me hot when yall do our team that. Would it be a lil betta to have some guys who wanted to be hear? Yeah, from what I'm reading from others who caught up on what's happening most of them didn't want to be here period. So I'm rolling with Da U not da who. Dont think some of dem boys wasnt looking @ who they had to beat out and feel they have a betta chance outta town from personal experience dont want to earn it. We got some dogs back there give our boys some love they on da battle field.

 

[Ethnicsands]

When he was our QB coach, we signed Brad Kaaya (unknown at the time of his commitment), Malik Rosier and Evan Shirreffs.

Maybe he is a better recruiter. Maybe not. His results at Miami don’t suggest it.

No offense, but thay is a silly retort, both substantively and in implication.

First, Coley has a long history of being known as a strong recruiter. He was known as such before coming to UM, and I suspect he’s continued to be known as such at UGA. Sounds like he beat Banda heads up yesterday. For a position he doesn’t even coach. If you are disappointed in his UM results, maybe the problem was what he was selling at UM, maybe the problem was at UM he was more focused on QB vs. more broadly applied.

Second, just the facts on his Miami record. As QB coach at UM, he found and signed Kaaya in Cali - you can say unknown all you want, the kid was a 4* and had to be held onto and recruited all year. And he was a 3 and out kid who sits atop Miami’s QB record book. For all the fan complaints, Coley found and recruited to us a really good prospect his first cycle as QB coach. Rosier as a second QB in that class and an athlete good enough to play baseball also was not a bad take. The frustration of Cane fans should be aimed at the lack of guys better then Rosier five years later. That isn’t Coley’s fault - it’s Richt’s. Coley also was the recruiter for Jack Allison, who was committed before Richt took over. And he was the QB coach when Perry first commitment, again before Richt took over. He also was lead recruiter for Yearby and Grey, per Rivals. He was almost certainly associated with other recruits during that era but I haven’t gone back to check. Shirreffs was a late fill in, I forget who bailed or why that happened but when your choice is no one or whoever you can find, you fill your roster, unless your name is Mark Richt and you just quit.

I suspect that in most cfb circles other than a homer Miami board, the suggestion that Coley was a much more accomplished cfb recruiter than Banda would not only not be controversial, it would be obvious.

 

[Ethnicsands]

With regards to recruiting, would "non-buffoons" do something like liking the fake *** pro UM tweets of a kid that they apparently know has been bought and paid for by another team?

Coaching our safeties, who have played very well since he’s been here.

He is the safeties coach.

We do not need and cannot afford as a staff to allocate two position coaches to DBs, neither of whom recruit well. It’s just a fail. No two ways about it.

Banda probably has good potential as a recruiter in terms of selling kids, but it’s going to take him a while to have cred as a developer against the people he will mostly compete against. And his lack of self awareness is a real question. When you know your girl stepped out on you, you don’t send her smiley texts and do the laundry.

 

[DMoney]

No offense, but thay is a silly retort, both substantively and in implication.

I refuted your false statement with facts. You said "Coley was a better recruiter than Banda at UM." I gave you Coley's record at UM. One four star QB and two FCS QBs in three years. Those are the facts. You can type another 1,000 words and it won't change the results.

As for the rest of Coley's Miami record, he thought Yearby was a better RB than Cook. So he prioritized Yearby and got him. That didn't work out too well.

You spend the rest of your post talking about Coley at other, more successful programs. That's exactly the point. We don't know how Banda would do at other jobs. I only know how he has done at Miami. And so far, he's landing a lot more four stars here than Coley ever did.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I refuted your false statement with facts. You said "Coley was a better recruiter than Banda at UM." I gave you Coley's record at UM. One four star QB and two FCS QBs in three years. Those are the facts. You can type another 1,000 words and it won't change the results.

As for the rest of Coley's Miami record, he thought Yearby was a better RB than Cook. So he prioritized Yearby and got him. That didn't work out too well.

You spend the rest of your post talking about Coley at other, more successful programs. That's exactly the point. We don't know how Banda would do at other jobs. I only know how he has done at Miami. And so far, he's landing a lot more four stars here than Coley ever did.

You are seriously defensive and in denial here. You didnt refute anything with facts. You picked a couple names, which was factually distortive, to try to make a point. Now you say maybe Banda would do better elsewhere. Maybe. Shrugs. The point lf difference is that Coley actually has recruited well elsewhere. So you don’t have to say maybe.

And on top of that, you’re now taking a shot at a long post from me intended to start a good discussion? You’re better than this. Your emotion here suggests you probably are close with Banda. I haven’t disparaged him, but message board discussion is what it is.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Coley out recruited these defensive guys by a mile when he was at Miami. He was not a great recruiter, but he was better than what we have now AND he didn't have the advantage of having a team that finished two years a row in the AP. He pulled Chad, Walton, Yearby, Kaaya, Jaquan, Allison, etc.

 

[DMoney]

You didnt refute anything with facts. You picked a couple names, which was factually distortive, to try to make a point.

I gave you every QB he ever signed here. We beat out Boise State for one. We beat out UAB and Georgetown for the other two. That's the complete list.

And on top of that, you’re now taking a shot at a long post from me intended to start a good discussion?

Perhaps I should have prefaced it with "No offense, but" like your last two posts?

No emotion from me. Love you as a poster and you're a cool guy. But I'm just giving the facts. Coley didn't recruit anything here. He was a huge bust in that department. Banda has missed plenty, but since he is a competent coach in a DB paradise, we still have seven four-star DBs on the roster.

Because he has a track record of getting the most out of his players, I am confident we will continue to have the best safety play we've had here in a decade.

 

[ForeveCane55]

We kept inept diaz for this reason and he still is wiffing the guy is a terrible terrible recruiter sad days in miami hopefully diaz quits in a year

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

Mom has family in GA, I guarantee she is packing up the apartment right now and moving with him.

True story. I mentioned this about two years ago on this board. The gentrification of places like Miami Gardens and slowly Overtown has led to a exodus of sort of African American families to Atlanta. I got negged like **** for it but if one looks at census statistics it’s quantifiable.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I refuted your false statement with facts. You said "Coley was a better recruiter than Banda at UM." I gave you Coley's record at UM. One four star QB and two FCS QBs in three years. Those are the facts. You can type another 1,000 words and it won't change the results.

As for the rest of Coley's Miami record, he thought Yearby was a better RB than Cook. So he prioritized Yearby and got him. That didn't work out too well.

You spend the rest of your post talking about Coley at other, more successful programs. That's exactly the point. We don't know how Banda would do at other jobs. I only know how he has done at Miami. And so far, he's landing a lot more four stars here than Coley ever did.

So he recruited our all time leading passer and single season passing leader and this is bad?

/If D$ were on the other side of this debate.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I gave you every QB he ever signed here. We beat out Boise State for one. We beat out UAB and Georgetown for the other two. That's the complete list.



Perhaps I should have prefaced it with "No offense, but" like your last two posts?

No emotion from me. Love you as a poster and you're a cool guy. But I'm just giving the facts. Coley didn't recruit anything here. He was a huge bust in that department. Banda has missed plenty, but since he is a competent coach in a DB paradise, we still have seven four-star DBs on the roster.

Because he has a track record of getting the most out of his players, I am confident we will continue to have the best safety play we've had here in a decade.

It’s only a complete list if you are trying to be distortive, which seems to be the case. I gave you a more complete list, in order to give a fuller picture.

I take it you’re sensitive on the topic of Coley and Banda. Not sure it’s interesting enough to keep discussing.

Diaz has a problem now on his defensive roster that will need to be figured out. He has two spots allocated to DB, and needs strong recruiting from them. Rumph pretty clearly is not a great recruiter, but he’s also the only AA on defense. Diaz moving on him is going to create strife that will be used against us. He isn’t going to have an AA at LB or DL it seems, so it’ll be interesting to see how he fixes this dynamic. My guess is he doesn’t, but that just points back to the recruiting priorities topic. Diaz needs to figure out recruitingif he wants to succeed at Miami.

 

[DMoney]

It’s only a complete list if you are trying to be distortive, which seems to be the case. I gave you a more complete list, in order to give a fuller picture.

The names you added were Gray (three star), Gus (three star) and Allison (four star who had a bad senior year). I already addressed why the Yearby recruitment was a debacle. If that's Coley's three-year UM record, it just further confirms that he was a bust on the recruiting trail.

I hate losing Tyrique, Campbell and Surtain. They are better and faster than what we have. But DB is our most talented position. We have seven four-stars. We've been good there on the field for three straight years with less talented players.

We spend way too much time worrying about recruiting those positions because the battles are so high profile. If you look at it dispassionately, it's the least of our problems.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

The names you added were Gray (three star), Gus (three star) and Allison (four star who had a bad senior year). I already addressed why the Yearby recruitment was a debacle. If that's Coley's three-year UM record, it just further confirms that he was a bust on the recruiting trail.

I hate losing Tyrique, Campbell and Surtain. They are better and faster than what we have. But DB is our most talented position. We have seven four-stars. We've been good there on the field for three straight years with less talented players.

We spend way too much time worrying about recruiting those positions because the battles are so high profile. If you look at it dispassionately, it's the least of our problems.

Spot on. Redwine was a 3-star, no? Good player for us. We have passed on too many kids that can be very good players at Miami to play suck up to 5-stars that aren't coming here. Just start being competitve. Lock down the coastal every year and play for conference championships consistently. Win the conference and you are in the national discussion.

 

[M3N]

Dmoney... wake up and smell the coffee.

This is no longer a premier program. There are many variables that contributed to this.

1. Not extending Butch
2. Shalala and the non commitment to athletics. (Resources, facilities, etc)
3. Sup par coaches and bad hires

Social media and internet took away every built in advantage we ever had in terms of recruiting.

Flights are cheaper then ever and every school is down here plucking kids. It’s too easy now. And to top it all off the elite of elite kids are bought and paid for.

Patrick Johnson, Corey Lemonier, Ali Highsmith, Amari Cooper, Alex Collins, Cook, Calvin Ridley, Jerry Juedy, Pat Surtain, Tyson Campbell. The list is endless. The list is very long.

If we landed half those kids we would have some new hardware in the trophy room.

The entire thing needs to be burned down and built up from scratch.

First and foremost: we need coaches who develope kids.

Second, we need to change our recruiting philosophy and go the route of UCF. UCF can’t compete with the big 3 interms recruiting tip tier kids, but what they do is identity low rated kids that are a program fit and developed them. You don’t go almost 2 years undefeated with a team full of un talented kids or non developmenting coaches. UCF would SMOKE our asses right now if we played. Like 45-0.

If we CANT join the “game” and start landing the elites, then we must change our approach. Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results= insanity.

if we went 12-1 last year we still would of lost Campbell and Surtain.

 

[pyhooya]

Yet no mention of you constantly using nitpicked, single game "stats" to prove why we HAD (not have) a bottom-level D???

Never said bottom level....said not championship caliber.....nit picking 2 Wisconsin 2 toledo....BC.....games where the D looked like shlt and got exposed....run along little one and stop following me around

 

[DMoney]

So he recruited our all time leading passer and single season passing leader and this is bad?

/If D$ were on the other side of this debate.

Kaaya was an incredible find. It gave me the (mistaken) belief that Coley had an eye for QBs. Then I saw how Rosier, Shirreffs, Allison and Perry turned out.

 

[jw410]

The fact that we can't flip kids from the first 3 schools you named is the problem, and for me, more relevant right now than the bags. If we cant convince kids going to those schools to come play at Miami, then we're way out of it against Bama and UGA, regardless of bags.

Hold up Mullens would rather play at Indiana than play at Miami or did we not even recruit this cat

 

[brock]

Kaaya was an incredible find. It gave me the (mistaken) belief that Coley had an eye for QBs. Then I saw how Rosier, Shirreffs, Allison and Perry turned out.

Who knows what rosier would have been like under coley or Allison for that matter