For those bashing our defensive staff for not closing...

[cxl]

I refuted your false statement with facts. You said "Coley was a better recruiter than Banda at UM." I gave you Coley's record at UM. One four star QB and two FCS QBs in three years. Those are the facts. You can type another 1,000 words and it won't change the results.

As for the rest of Coley's Miami record, he thought Yearby was a better RB than Cook. So he prioritized Yearby and got him. That didn't work out too well.

You spend the rest of your post talking about Coley at other, more successful programs. That's exactly the point. We don't know how Banda would do at other jobs. I only know how he has done at Miami. And so far, he's landing a lot more four stars here than Coley ever did.

I heard you the first time D. I guess it's gonna take you six more times before some to get it. It's amazing how so many coaches can't recruit for siht while they are here ( Coley, punnozio, kool) but get whoever they want at other (SEC) schools.

 

[DMoney]

First and foremost: we need coaches who develope kids.

Totally agree. That’s why I’ve been defending Banda.

We are three years in, and his safeties are consistently getting better.

 

[M3N]

Totally agree. That’s why I’ve been defending Banda.

We are three years in, and his safeties are consistently getting better.

Players are getting better at the S position, yes, but recruiting is not. Why is that? Because we waste our time recruiting kids who know we can’t sign.

Jenkins, Carter, JJ, Redwine.

Rumph developed: Corn, Colbert, Malik, MJ.

We have shown that we can develope and get kids Drafted.

So why can’t we recruit?

We have to change the recruiting approach. STOP RECRUITING KIDS THAT WILL NEVER COME HERE!!!! The staff is clueless.

 

[Roe 15th]

No he didn't win most of the battles...Not even close. Yes did bette when was a DC, because we were top dog. But as soon as he became HC the recruiting problems really took off. One year worth of hometown hero recruits, then it all went to ****. He was awful.

Yes His last couple years as head coach dude sh** the bed...but before dude could recruit...if you don’t like the dude cool who cares...the man won high percentage of battles from 2001-08....

 

[ShadowSpring]

Players are getting better at the S position, yes, but recruiting is not. Why is that? Because we waste our time recruiting kids who know we can’t sign.

Jenkins, Carter, JJ, Redwine.

Rumph developed: Corn, Colbert, Malik, MJ.

We have shown that we can develope and get kids Drafted.

So why can’t we recruit?

We have to change the recruiting approach. STOP RECRUITING KIDS THAT WILL NEVER COME HERE!!!! The staff is clueless.

7-6

 

[CanesSkins26]

Coaching our safeties, who have played very well since he’s been here.

He is the safeties coach.

But how do you justify having separate CB and Safety coaches and neither appearing to be a good recruiter? Rumph and Banda are each responsible for only 6 or so players. You just can’t devote 20% of your coaches to such few players and not have them be good recruiters.

 

[CanesSkins26]

These are our top 5 corners headed into next season:

Bandy- 4*
Blades- 4*
Ivey- 4*
Frierson- 4*
Couch- 4*

Given what Rumph has done with his other corners, this is 124th on the list of things we should be concerned about.

Except that at some point this is going to catch up with us. It’s not just that we’re missing on targets, it’s the overall lack of strategy and lazy recruiting. Offering guys late, not staying on top of others, etc. The Asante Samuel Jr. recruitment is a perfect example of that.

 

[razrcane]

Totally agree. That’s why I’ve been defending Banda.

We are three years in, and his safeties are consistently getting better.

According to some he is not the reason they have improved, but it's actually Rumph doing the heavy lifting.

 

[orange&green84]

Our db group has lacked “elite” players in terms of rankings last year but who ended up with the number 1 pass defense this year?

Let's use that ranking loosely please. We don't play great defenses and D-line performance is a significant factor in that as well. Helps that one game in our schedule was against a team that just runs the ball given they ran the triple option.

 

[brock]

Let's use that ranking loosely please. We don't play great defenses and D-line performance is a significant factor in that as well. Helps that one game in our schedule was against a team that just runs the ball given they ran the triple option.

Saying we play Georgia tech in one of the game doesn’t mean much especially considering the fact that 9 out of 13 games the opposing team had less than 150 yards passing. So no they didn’t skew the stats that much tbh. And while our dline is great for the most part, they don’t always get back there in terms of pass rush so the dbs do great for the most part considering that.

 

[orange&green84]

Saying we play Georgia tech in one of the game doesn’t mean much especially considering the fact that 9 out of 13 games the opposing team had less than 150 yards passing. So no they didn’t skew the stats that much tbh. And while our dline is great for the most part, they don’t always get back there in terms of pass rush so the dbs do great for the most part considering that.

Ok. Does it also say anything that FSU was the highest rated offense that we faced this year? Every team plays cupcakes every year. One of our cupcakes happen to be a team that's moving down to division 2 football next year so they can be more competitive. We had a good defense overall. But honestly ask yourself if you'd rather have Bama's defense or ours. Ask yourself if we played in the Big 12 if we'd still have the number 1 passing defense, let alone top 20.

 

[brock]

Ok. Does it also say anything that FSU was the highest rated offense that we faced this year? Every team plays cupcakes every year. One of our cupcakes happen to be a team that's moving down to division 2 football next year so they can be more competitive. We had a good defense overall. But honestly ask yourself if you'd rather have Bama's defense or ours. Ask yourself if we played in the Big 12 if we'd still have the number 1 passing defense, let alone top 20.

Big 12 hasn’t seen defenders the caliber of Miami just as Miami hasn’t seen offenses like Oklahoma with Murray at the helm. You only play the schedule you play, would they be putting those stats in the conference in which defense isn’t optional? Probably not, so it goes both ways tbh. And why are we comparing bama? Their defense isn’t Perfect either and Miami’s is not but they were still one of the best. Michigan was ranked #1 all year but what happened when they got 63 put on them by Ohio state and 41 put on them by uf. It happens. All I’m saying if you break down others schedule like people do with Miami’s, you will find the other top pass ranking secondaries or defenses for that matter didn’t play top offenses week in week out either.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Coulda had Nunn at safety and we slow played him. We reallly dont offer enough kids, assuming that we are gonna succeed at a higher rate than we do.

Wtf are you talking about, Nunn flopped to us and for some inexplicable reason flipped back. Oh wait, he flipped in the midst of loss after loss because or moribund offense.

 

[orange&green84]

Big 12 hasn’t seen defenders the caliber of Miami just as Miami hasn’t seen offenses like Oklahoma with Murray at the helm. You only play the schedule you play, would they be putting those stats in the conference in which defense isn’t optional? Probably not, so it goes both ways tbh. And why are we comparing bama? Their defense isn’t Perfect either and Miami’s is not but they were still one of the best. Michigan was ranked #1 all year but what happened when they got 63 put on them by Ohio state and 41 put on them by uf. It happens. All I’m saying if you break down others schedule like people do with Miami’s, you will find the other top pass ranking secondaries or defenses for that matter didn’t play top offenses week in week out either.

We got 35 put on us by a mediocre Wisconsin squad. You can't keep preaching "we have the number 1 pass defense", when we haven't played one elite passing defense. It's a watered down metric then. I bring up Bama because they have as close to a perfect defense compared to everyone in the nation. We're in agreement that Miami still has a very good defense, but we could be better both on the field and in recruiting. Citing the #1 passing defense is not a good metric to use.

 

[brock]

We got 35 put on us by a mediocre Wisconsin squad. You can't keep preaching "we have the number 1 pass defense", when we haven't played one elite passing defense. It's a watered down metric then. I bring up Bama because they have as close to a perfect defense compared to everyone in the nation. We're in agreement that Miami still has a very good defense, but we could be better both on the field and in recruiting. Citing the #1 passing defense is not a good metric to use.

And that’s the dilemma, so who has the #1 pass defense then? People want to breakdown Miami schedule, who have the other top ranked passing defenses or offenses in general played week in and week out? What was the ranking of passing teams Michigan and bama played against ?

 

[RVACane]

Hold up Mullens would rather play at Indiana than play at Miami or did we not even recruit this cat

I honestly don't remember on that one. I just think the bags are an issue to put more focus on when we're relevant and they're relevant between the top schools and the next level down schools making a run for the top.

Based on not flipping a kid from Minnesota and then settling for a 2 star OL flip from App State, bags may be a difference for more competitive programs, but kids dont even need bags to choose other teams over us right now.

The school has made us irrelevant with their mismanagement of the program and now these kids see us like we were viewed in the 70's. They dont trust the program and we're not taken seriously by the elite guys. Iused to call all of these kids traitors but I'm done with that for now. That's letting the school coast on their dysfunctional part.

It'll take something different - a real change- to break that ineptness by the school by Manny and the BOT in order to win the games we should win and start climbing back towards acceptable.

 

[orange&green84]

And that’s the dilemma, so who has the #1 pass defense then? People want to breakdown Miami schedule, who have the other top ranked passing defenses or offenses in general played week in and week out? What was the ranking of passing teams Michigan and bama played against ?

Not sure. I'd say Clemson probably has a better pass defense than we do. But when our schedule has a few teams where they rank in the 100s in terms of passing offense; probably not a good idea to cite that we have the best pass defense in the nation. Our defense is good, but not elite like Clemson or Bama.

 

[orange&green84]

I honestly don't remember on that one. I just think the bags are an issue to put more focus on when we're relevant and they're relevant between the too schools and the next level down schools making a run for the top.

Based on not flipping a kid from Minnesota and then settling for a 2 star OL flip from App State, bags may be a difference for more competitive programs but kids dont even need bags to choose other teams over us right now.

The school has made us irrelevant with their mismanagement of the program and now these kids see us like we were viewed in the 70's. They dont trust the program.

It'll take something different - a real change- to break that ineptness by the school/Manny in order twin the games we should win and start climbing back towards acceptable.

We can't use the bag excuse for everybody. There's probably a few guys every cycle that we can use that excuse for like TS. But guys like Bogle, we just lost them.

 

[M3N]

7-6

I’m not buying it.

UCF was 0-12.

They managed to recruit and develope kids for 2 years and create a very good football team.

Let me repeat.... they went 0-12!!!!!! They managed to recruit, develope, and win all the while being a tier 2 program in FLA. and having a WINLESS record.

If we went 12-0 this year we are still not going to land the Tyrique Stevenson’s of the world.

Knowing this ahead of time since this has been happening 3 years in row under this incompetent staff you would think this would spark a change in recruiting philosophy.

It’s broke! Fix the **** thing. Stop swinging for the fences.

For the better part of a decade we use nothing to our advantage.

Advantages: recruit capital, speed, talent, great football.

Manny solidified our defense by using these advantages. The striker position is based off the hybrid players that grow on trees here.

Now we need an offense to follow suit.

Now we need RECRUITING to follow suit. We have the ADVANTAGE of location to spread our entire staff from highway 4 down to the keys to find great ball players whether they are all world types or guys no one knows about.

 

[RVACane]

We can't use the bag excuse for everybody. There's probably a few guys every cycle that we can use that excuse for like TS. But guys like Bogle, we just lost them.

I agree. Some people are missing the point. When @DMoney was saying bags don't matter, I think it's more that he's making the point that we've dropped so far down in relevance (like losing flip battles to Minnesota and flipping App State 2 stars) that bags are not the main issue for us at this time because the Bama, Clemson, UGA schools don't need them as much against us in battles but more gainst each other and the next levels down.