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Mods?!? This is a legal issue now, not a football issue. Close thread, so we can now focus on "The Decision" part 2 @ 8pm.
 
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First, my heart goes out to the victim and her family. Scarred for life is no way to have to go through life. I hope that she is able to fully recover from this experience. Based on what has been reported - that they admitted drugging the girl - I'm thrilled that James acted as he did.

Pete now to your quote is there anyone else on our roster that is ****ering on self-destruction or sociopathic violence that you want to clue us in on? Not even joking. We've been talking about Golden or his DC being on the hot seat, what players aren't walking the line? You seemed to have known that JF was a problem child.

Also, to anyone talking about FSU or the majority of the SEC schools there is no point. Those schools are NOT even in the same solar system with UM. They are literally worlds apart academically and in terms of tolerance for rule/law breakers.

Peter Ariz said:
Figueroa was already suspended for the Louisville game before this. Miami was fed up with him to begin with.
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HurricaneU said:
Jedi Master Cane said:
Can already see Golden spinning this as the latest excuse as to why his defense will continue to suck.

I'm ready for this entire staff and administration to GTFOH.
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Yep. Totally relevant.
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How is it not relevant? They consistently sell us on fostering an environment that represents a new direction in Miami sports. Kids that graduate and dont' get in trouble has been their mantra for a while now.

So we have a team that sucks on the field, needed to leverage a Ponzi schemer to assist in recruiting, and now kids being arrested for rape. One of the kids being arrested had ALREADY done something wrong cause the word is that even before this Figueroa was not going to play the opening game against UL for something he did this offseason.

It's a shame to see how far this program has fallen. The worst part about it is that most of it has been self inflicted. Morons running your problem are usually a recipe for disaster.

And furthermore I fully understand these are kids we are talking about. Kids are unpredictable and can be irresponsible, expecially considering the background that some of these kids come from........I'm simply saying that if Shalala and company are going to take the stance that "We're not winning but we've got a squeaky clean program" then I simply say bull****. This administration fails in all aspects.
 
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Shalala should have kicked them out though. Wouldn't she kick out non athletes? Aren't they students first ?
Why have the AD kick students out of school? And pulling their schollies does that.
 
This is some bull ****. Come on man...they got to be better than that. Really hope it didn't go down like that.
 
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Sandman211 said:
This is some bull ****. Come on man...they got to be better than that. Really hope it didn't go down like that.
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it is always somewhere in the middle where the truth is but this situation is so messed up that even in the middle is still jail time.
 
Institution is allowing due process or an avalanche of solid evidence to come forward before doing the inevitable.

MIA42178 said:
Shalala should have kicked them out though. Wouldn't she kick out non athletes? Aren't they students first ?
Why have the AD kick students out of school? And pulling their schollies does that.
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I hope it impacts our recruiting. It rightfully damages our recruiting.

And I have to laugh at anyone who is dense enough to believe this is a 2-3 day story. This is the type of case that will become famous and linger for years. It's perfect for segments on the newsmagazine shows, and for the half hour true crime programs. Those programs are growing in number. Heck, you've got entire networks like Investigative Discovery dedicated to it around the clock. Don't think for a second they are going to totally ignore something like this, especially when it drops off the edge of the Shapiro situation. That's a convenient lazy lead.

Full credit to the victim. She obviously had enough strength and guts to understand what must have happened and reported it. The players thought it was no big deal. It reminds me of the trucker who murdered several young women in the back of his rig. When confronted with the evidence, he said he wanted to get it behind him so he could get back out on the road.

This wasn't a novice experiment. Players don't do something like this unless the specifics have been detailed to them, along with all the anecdotes of friends getting away with it. They might have gotten away with it previously themselves. I roomed with athletes in college at USC, two baseball players and two water polo players. I remember those meetings and parties very well, with our entire apartment flooded with members of the team, and widespread stories of all the available rules breaking. In those days it was academic oriented, with tales of professors who were willing to look away and grant an easy passing grade to any athlete in the class. Those players didn't even need to attend the class. Just show up once and verify your status on a university team. As soon as those stories were passed around there was widespread glee, then cries of, "No way!" and finally, "Let's do it." I guarantee nothing has changed other than the schemes themselves.

These days there are entire networks and mindsets devoted to characterizing the perpetrators as the true victim. Occasionally a story like Duke lacrosse shows up, and that feeds the victimization stereotype to areas and cases where it doesn't threaten to belong. I hope this story gains full traction, the players are punished to extraordinary degree, and it helps spotlight date rape drugs and tendencies closer to the level they deserve. It's still an understated problem.

Otherwise, I continue to believe that our football prospects are next to nothing, in terms of regaining our standing as a national power. You aren't rewarded for abandoning a venue like the Orange Bowl in favor of Sun Life Stadium and then staying there for 25 years, begging to upgrades. When that's your mentality it means you are run by mediocrities at every level. Those mediocrities will make poor decisions in coaching and recruiting, and those recruits will similarly make lousy choices. That may seem like a reach but I believe in big picture scope. It seldom lets me down. I'll pay full attention to the Canes and Dolphins again when somebody is wise enough to rubble that stadium and escape. Kudos to David Beckham for unknowingly trying to help end our predicament. Now he's at the World Cup and we're in the wrong end of breaking news.
 
I am not too crazy over figs leaving, i mean what are his claims to fame? He had his marine parents in a raising canes video and he almost knocked himself out in the Florida game?
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I hope it impacts our recruiting. It rightfully damages our recruiting.

And I have to laugh at anyone who is dense enough to believe this is a 2-3 day story. This is the type of case that will become famous and linger for years. It's perfect for segments on the newsmagazine shows, and for the half hour true crime programs. Those programs are growing in number. Heck, you've got entire networks like Investigative Discovery dedicated to it around the clock. Don't think for a second they are going to totally ignore something like this, especially when it drops off the edge of the Shapiro situation. That's a convenient lazy lead.

Full credit to the victim. She obviously had enough strength and guts to understand what must have happened and reported it. The players thought it was no big deal. It reminds me of the trucker who murdered several young women in the back of his rig. When confronted with the evidence, he said he wanted to get it behind him so he could get back out on the road.

This wasn't a novice experiment. Players don't do something like this unless the specifics have been detailed to them, along with all the anecdotes of friends getting away with it. They might have gotten away with it previously themselves. I roomed with athletes in college at USC, two baseball players and two water polo players. I remember those meetings and parties very well, with our entire apartment flooded with members of the team, and widespread stories of all the available rules breaking. In those days it was academic oriented, with tales of professors who were willing to look away and grant an easy passing grade to any athlete in the class. Those players didn't even need to attend the class. Just show up once and verify your status on a university team. As soon as those stories were passed around there was widespread glee, then cries of, "No way!" and finally, "Let's do it." I guarantee nothing has changed other than the schemes themselves.

These days there are entire networks and mindsets devoted to characterizing the perpetrators as the true victim. Occasionally a story like Duke lacrosse shows up, and that feeds the victimization stereotype to areas and cases where it doesn't threaten to belong. I hope this story gains full traction, the players are punished to extraordinary degree, and it helps spotlight date rape drugs and tendencies closer to the level they deserve. It's still an understated problem.

Otherwise, I continue to believe that our football prospects are next to nothing, in terms of regaining our standing as a national power. You aren't rewarded for abandoning a venue like the Orange Bowl in favor of Sun Life Stadium and then staying there for 25 years, begging to upgrades. When that's your mentality it means you are run by mediocrities at every level. Those mediocrities will make poor decisions in coaching and recruiting, and those recruits will similarly make lousy choices. That may seem like a reach but I believe in big picture scope. It seldom lets me down. I'll pay full attention to the Canes and Dolphins again when somebody is wise enough to rubble that stadium and escape. Kudos to David Beckham for unknowingly trying to help end our predicament. Now he's at the World Cup and we're in the wrong end of breaking news.
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What the ****?
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I hope it impacts our recruiting. It rightfully damages our recruiting.

And I have to laugh at anyone who is dense enough to believe this is a 2-3 day story. This is the type of case that will become famous and linger for years. It's perfect for segments on the newsmagazine shows, and for the half hour true crime programs. Those programs are growing in number. Heck, you've got entire networks like Investigative Discovery dedicated to it around the clock. Don't think for a second they are going to totally ignore something like this, especially when it drops off the edge of the Shapiro situation. That's a convenient lazy lead.

Full credit to the victim. She obviously had enough strength and guts to understand what must have happened and reported it. The players thought it was no big deal. It reminds me of the trucker who murdered several young women in the back of his rig. When confronted with the evidence, he said he wanted to get it behind him so he could get back out on the road.

This wasn't a novice experiment. Players don't do something like this unless the specifics have been detailed to them, along with all the anecdotes of friends getting away with it. They might have gotten away with it previously themselves. I roomed with athletes in college at USC, two baseball players and two water polo players. I remember those meetings and parties very well, with our entire apartment flooded with members of the team, and widespread stories of all the available rules breaking. In those days it was academic oriented, with tales of professors who were willing to look away and grant an easy passing grade to any athlete in the class. Those players didn't even need to attend the class. Just show up once and verify your status on a university team. As soon as those stories were passed around there was widespread glee, then cries of, "No way!" and finally, "Let's do it." I guarantee nothing has changed other than the schemes themselves.

These days there are entire networks and mindsets devoted to characterizing the perpetrators as the true victim. Occasionally a story like Duke lacrosse shows up, and that feeds the victimization stereotype to areas and cases where it doesn't threaten to belong. I hope this story gains full traction, the players are punished to extraordinary degree, and it helps spotlight date rape drugs and tendencies closer to the level they deserve. It's still an understated problem.

Otherwise, I continue to believe that our football prospects are next to nothing, in terms of regaining our standing as a national power. You aren't rewarded for abandoning a venue like the Orange Bowl in favor of Sun Life Stadium and then staying there for 25 years, begging to upgrades. When that's your mentality it means you are run by mediocrities at every level. Those mediocrities will make poor decisions in coaching and recruiting, and those recruits will similarly make lousy choices. That may seem like a reach but I believe in big picture scope. It seldom lets me down. I'll pay full attention to the Canes and Dolphins again when somebody is wise enough to rubble that stadium and escape. Kudos to David Beckham for unknowingly trying to help end our predicament. Now he's at the World Cup and we're in the wrong end of breaking news.
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Goodbye, you will be missed. Moment of silence
 
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