DT Tywone Malone enters Portal

[JHallCanes]

Stop with that condescending swipes about people not being able to comprehend and being too lazy to discern the difference between the two, they are weak and unfounded especially if those swipes are aimed at me. As I have maintained from the jump and many agree, the portal is supplemental meaning its there to plug holes and any comp is going have to be against whatever the needs of the team are, and in our case those are many. We have had the full offseason to address those needs and we know for sure that we will end up settling on 2 of the major ones, DT and WR. Yes we addressed OL in excellent fashion. We had a very good addition at LB and solidly addressed one of the 3 positions I considered dire needs in CB. I also like the RB pickup. Once again, Im not calling portal recruiting bad but IT IS NOT on the level of what Marion did in the regular cycle and what he is doing in the 24 cycle. HS recruiting is elite level, portal recruiting is decent. There have been numerous DT entries into the portal that would have elevated the room and right now it looks like we will settle, just like we will settle at WR. I dont understand why bringing up these facts gets everyone riled up. Its an objective observation.

I’ve got some friends that are supporters of places like OSU/USC/Oklahoma etc (I know I know )

So I guess my perspective is a little skewed because I’m hearing about all these nightmare portal stories even from places that to us look like they’re killing it

I’m kinda looking at the portal from a distance at the moment like a massive train wreck so that’s probably why I’m holding off a bit on how I feel

But that’s why I also said I think we agree on the general concept it’s just really ****ed up across the board right now

But in the end we gotta do better no doubt about it, but I think these guys will get it figured out personally. It’s what they do best even if it takes a bit longer than we need

 

[bobbydigius]

I think we probably agree on this

People are forgetting how maddening our recruiting was whiffing on top end talent at positions of need

Same thing is happening in the portal it’s just that the talent is much less in the portal

The one glaring positive during MC's tenure early has been getting top tier talent that we either never or very rarely got with previous staffs. Mario took double digit guys that everyone in the country wanted and were priorities last cycle. That's my counter to the notion that the portal is limited, Mario already proved in grabbing players like Mauigoa, Samson, Bain, Wayne, Damari, Popo, Malik etc, that getting limited players that usually were only reserved for the elites is attainable. Now the question is what changes in the portal? Personally, I think the major issue is that HS wise, Mario is selling the future, and in the Portal you need to be able to sell the right now. That is a difficult value prop for Mario to sell coming off a year like last.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

If we're talking about the kid from LaTech, I disagree. Yeah, he's a JAG, but we NEED a dude like that because we have very little behind JHH/LT - especially at that size. Would you say this kid is better than Jake? I'd say so, definitely.

Not talking about Rose. He would be a take.

 

[JHallCanes]

The one glaring positive during MC's tenure early has been getting top tier talent that we either never or very rarely got with previous staffs. Mario took double digit guys that everyone in the country wanted and were priorities last cycle. That's my counter to the notion that the portal is limited, Mario already proved in grabbing players like Mauigoa, Samson, Bain, Wayne, Damari, Popo, Malik etc, that getting limited players that usually were only reserved for the elites is attainable. Now the question is what changes in the portal? Personally, I think the major issue is that HS wise, Mario is selling the future, and in the Portal you need to be able to sell the right now. That is a difficult value prop for Mario to sell coming off a year like last.

I could not a comment more than this

That part about selling a long term vs a short term plan is what I feel is at the root of this

Always appreciate your insights

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I’ve got some friends that are supporters of places like OSU/USC/Oklahoma etc (I know I know )

So I guess my perspective is a little skewed because I’m hearing about all these nightmare portal stories even from places that to us look like they’re killing it

I’m kinda looking at the portal from a distance at the moment like a massive train wreck so that’s probably why I’m holding off a bit on how I feel

But that’s why I also said I think we agree on the general concept it’s just really ****ed up across the board right now

But in the end we gotta do better no doubt about it, but I think these guys will get it figured out personally. It’s what they do best even if it takes a bit longer than we need

Right now, the "Portal" is like a game of chess, strategically speaking...but a bare-knuckles chess game that hardly has any rules or standards of decency.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

Stop with that condescending swipes about people not being able to comprehend and being too lazy to discern the difference between the two, they are weak and unfounded especially if those swipes are aimed at me. As I have maintained from the jump and many agree, the portal is supplemental meaning its there to plug holes and any comp is going have to be against whatever the needs of the team are, and in our case those are many. We have had the full offseason to address those needs and we know for sure that we will end up settling on 2 of the major ones, DT and WR. Yes we addressed OL in excellent fashion. We had a very good addition at LB and solidly addressed one of the 3 positions I considered dire needs in CB. I also like the RB pickup. Once again, Im not calling portal recruiting bad but IT IS NOT on the level of what Marion did in the regular cycle and what he is doing in the 24 cycle. HS recruiting is elite level, portal recruiting is decent. There have been numerous DT entries into the portal that would have elevated the room and right now it looks like we will settle, just like we will settle at WR. I dont understand why bringing up these facts gets everyone riled up. Its an objective observation.

Cool. I gave you hard data and statistics that refute what you and others are saying. You call it condescending, but I just being intellectually honest. Sorry.You gave me opinion and are saying its absolute (IN CAPS no less lol).

Stay with me:

You need to comp what we gained and lost in the portal with what other programs gained and lost in the portal. Your net portal activity. That's the comp. Program vs. program. That's it.

You keep comparing it with our HS recruiting. You are never going to get all the warm fuzzies from the portal season that you get from HS recruiting, because you lose kids too (though remarkably, Mario has crushed roster retention better or as well as any coach in America), and there are many, many less nice shiny undamaged objects out there. I think there was ONE kid in America that was given a 5-star portal rating. ONE. It's sausage making, its really messy.

So I will ask you again, please:

Go comp what Miami has pulled in and what they've lost with other teams in the country and you tell me where you think Miami would net out and rank in the "portal season."

I mean it. Show me 7 programs that are having a better portal season than Miami and Mario, if you think were doing slightly less well in the portal than in HS. But wait, you think we're doing a lot worse, right? So show me, what? 15 programs that are doing better than Miami? Sound fair? Really though, give me your portal season rankings. Here, I will give you mine first, based on who was brought in, and what real losses were incurred:

1. LSU
2. USC
3. Miami
4. Michigan
5. FSU
6. Auburn
7. Oregon

For example, FSU has a nice class, #1 in quality and #6 in the aggregate (even less useful than for HS recruiting) rankings. But they've lost good players to Utah, PSU, TAMU, and UNC along the way too, including their #1 recruit from last year. Colorado has the "#1 portal class" which is a joke of course.

Context is everything. We're having a top 5 portal season. Objectively, too. As shown, even without taking into consideration how little we've lost, we currently have the #3 class by quality according to the websites.

Love your show. I'll hang up and wait for your rankings. And please don't forget to incorporate the legit kids that each program lost.

 

[BS85]

Looks like we're building the trenches one trench at a time








(Joke, not moping)

 

[Gables Cane]

If we get the guys expected on top of what we’ve landed it’s a B+ haul with a lot of quality. DT might be the spot we didn’t get what we wanted ( not over ) but other than that we nailed the portal. If people are ripping that they just have an ulterior motive.

^This.

It's okay to say we underperformed in one specific area (e.g., DT) but overall the staff did a nice job of addressing our weaknesses.

This Board is obsessed with absolutes. Both can be true. We did very well in the Portal but me missed out on some tackles.

 

[JHallCanes]

Right now, the "Portal" is like a game of chess, strategically speaking...but a bare-knuckles chess game that hardly has any rules or standards of decency.

Yeah I don’t want to get into excuse making mode or pretend like there’s this perfect master plan no one is seeing

But sheesh it’s like post after post of people playing checkers in here

Like stating the absolute obvious over and over again and pretending it’s some huge revelation that went over Mario’s head

It’s like eh enough already

 

[htownkidd]

^This.

It's okay to say we underperformed in one specific area (e.g., DT) but overall the staff did a nice job of addressing our weaknesses.

This Board is obsessed with absolutes. Both can be true. We did very well in the Portal but me missed out on some tackles.

Last I checked, we were 0fer on wideouts too, and the Kirk kid looks decent, but he still doesn’t move the needle enough IMO.

 

[Squid Bumciorek]

Just let guys like TwatBum continue to finger themselves to MTSU and DT recruiting.

It's Wario Cristobum now

 

[Gables Cane]

Last I checked, we were 0fer on wideouts too, and the Kirk kid looks decent, but he still doesn’t move the needle enough IMO.

Agreed and fair.

Kirk isn't enough but Kirk + Harrell (just guessing) would improve the WR position. Not A+ moves given the concern over Harrell's injury but it would address depth and possibly add much needed speed.

 

[txcanes]

How do you guys reconcile the endless criticisms with the fact that Miami has the 3rd highest rated portal class by quality in America right now? That we beat many top programs in America for a lot of these kids?

We've brought in better players than USC, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Oklahoma, Oregon, UF... literally everyone in the country outside of FSU and Michigan (barely, for now), who both have landed significantly less players than us btw.

The amount of truly desirable kids available in the portal is a fraction of what comes out of HS with the same amount of teams going after them. It's a **** of a lot harder to get 10 portal kids you want than 25 HS kids you want, IMO. And we've been pulling impactful transfers.

Miami is doing just fine in the portal, really ******* well in fact, and we've plugged a lot of holes so far, including turning a bad OL into probably the strength of the team by taking a starter away from ******* Alabama and the #1 center in America away from UCF. I think you guys are just getting complacent, not really appreciating what we've added so far. If you listened to the @DMoney and @Peter Ariz pod from earlier today, they discuss how people in the Hecht are incredibly high on Deen right now and what he adds. I mean, he was a good DT in the physical B1G, but this board can't see more than six inches in front of its face. We just took Nebraska's best RB, a young guy who people are projecting to the NFL. We just took Wake's best CB, a guy with the exact physical traits we've been looking for. Brown is an experienced CB with age and success who will start here. Mauigoa is a stud and a steal. And on and on. You all take a 40 kid recruiting and portal class and post 70,000 times on the one or two issues we still haven't addressed instead of focusing and celebrating the incredible job we've done in player acquisition (HS AND portal) so far.

Furthermore everyone is REALLY under-appreciating what an amazing job Mario has done with roster retention this year. Adding a good player doesn't matter that much when you have another good player walking out the door at the same time. Can't build that way. We've lost ONE impactful guy, IMO. ONE. In the two portal periods combined. That's insane. Look at other programs and compare.

This board needs to check itself. You all need to zoom out a bit.

We're not done yet, btw.

Well said

 

[txcanes]

Top 15 here, 3rd best average.

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Boom

 

[txcanes]

Oh gosh, star rankings and all that stuff.

The only reason I'm considering it average is because of the additions at the O-Line and Mauigoa. Everything else is TBD and remains to be seen.

Kinda like high school recruiting huh? Lol

 

[bobbydigius]

Cool. I gave you hard data and statistics that refute what you and others are saying. You call it condescending, but I just being intellectually honest. Sorry.

You gave me opinion and are saying its absolute (IN CAPS no less lol).

Stay with me:

You need to comp what we gained and lost in the portal with what other programs gained and lost in the portal. Your net portal activity. That's the comp. Program vs. program.

You keep comparing it with our HS recruiting which is where you are going astray. You are never going to get all the warm fuzzies from the portal season that you get from HS recruiting, because you lose kids too (though remarkably, Mario has crushed roster retention better or as well as any coach in America), and there are many, many less nice shiny undamaged objects out there. I think there was ONE kid in America that was given a 5-star portal rating. ONE. It's sausage making, its really messy.

So I will ask you again, please:

Go comp what Miami has pulled in and what they've lost with other teams in the country and you tell me where you think Miami would net out and rank in the "portal season."

I mean it. Give me your portal season rankings. Here, I will give you mine first, based on who was brought in, and what real losses were incurred:

1. LSU
2. USC
3. Miami
4. Michigan
5. FSU
6. Auburn
7. Oregon

FSU has a nice class, #1 in quality and #6 in the aggregate (even less useful than for HS recruiting) rankings. But they've lost good players to Utah, PSU, TAMU, and UNC along the way too, including their #1 recruit from last year. Colorado has the "#1 portal class" which is a joke of course.

Context is everything. We're having a top 5 portal season. Objectively, too. As shown, even without taking into consideration how little we've lost, we currently have the #3 class by quality according to the websites.

Love your show. I'll hang up and wait for your rankings. And please don't forget to incorporate the legit kids that each program lost.

You gave me incomplete data and you admitted it yourself. Or you going to hang your hat on submitting average player data? You have Miami ranked 3rd in your portal rankings citing that average and roster retention. You yourself stated that you didnt have the hard numbers there but Mario crushed retention.

So lets take a look at that and lets use the team you yourself decided to use in FSU. Lucky for us, while 247 doesnt tabulate all that data, they do list it out in an itemized way. In terms of top Transfers coming in and out of the program Miami has 24 listed and FSU has 20. Hmmmmm, how about that? Breaking down those further, FSU had 10 4 stars come and go with 7 coming in and 3 leaving. Miami had 9 4 stars come and go 6 coming and 3 leaving. The next highest recruit was Rogers and he was a high three and he left. So another way to look at it is, FSU's top 10 was 7 in 3 out, Miami was 6 in 4 out. I guess you swing and miss there. In terms of each school's top 20 FSU had 9 in and 11 out, whereas Miami had 10 in and 10 out. Well you got one there but not exactly the way you presented it as crushing roster retention. Just that one example shows you are in fact wrong on the retention aspect. I didnt go over every team but just looking at 3, LSU, Oregon and AU. LSU and Oregon had similar numbers to Miami and FSU, where Auburn is actually the school that seems to have had crushed retention. So lets get back to Miami and my statement that started this all which is Portal Mario is not HS Mario.

We can talk about context, which you swung and missed on in your example, and the context for Miami is that we are down to the wire on 2 of 3 of the positions of dire need and we have missed on most of our top options. Now once again, it doesnt mean Miami is trash in the portal, it just means that we arent elite as we are on the HS side of things. The two positions are DT and WR. At DT we lost two guys in DJ and Miller, and have brought in two guys in Deen and Gore. We wish we could have Miller back at this point. Hopefully we get a Hail Mary on Rose. At WR it doesnt matter who we lost because they were trash and thus far have brought in no one, and lets not make out Kirk to be better than he is if we get him. He is a giant question mark. So all in all, I dont need to rate the other teams but I sure as **** know that missing on two of those three, with CB being the other one we hit on, no way no how is Portal recruiting on the same level as HS for us, let alone making an argument that Portal is somehow better.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

You gave me incomplete data and you admitted it yourself. Or you going to hang your hat on submitting average player data? You have Miami ranked 3rd in your portal rankings citing that average and roster retention. You yourself stated that you didnt have the hard numbers there but Mario crushed retention.

So lets take a look at that and lets use the team you yourself decided to use in FSU. Lucky for us, while 247 doesnt tabulate all that data, they do list it out in an itemized way. In terms of top Transfers coming in and out of the program Miami has 24 listed and FSU has 20. Hmmmmm, how about that. Breaking down those further, FSU had 10 4 stars come and go with 7 coming in and 3 leaving. Miami had 9 4 stars come and go 6 coming and 3 leaving. The next highest recruit was Rogers and he was a high three and he left. So another way to look at it is, FSU's top 10 was 7 in 3 out, Miami was 6 in 4 out. I guess you swing and miss there. In terms of each school's top 20 FSU had 9 in and 11 out, whereas Miami had 10 in and 10 out. Well you got one there but not exactly the way you presented it as crushing roster retention. Just that one example shows you are in fact wrong on the retention aspect. I didnt go over every team but just looking at 3, LSU, Oregon and AU. LSU and Oregon had similar numbers to Miami and FSU, where Auburn is actually the school that seems to have had crushed retention. So lets get back to Miami and my statement that started this all which is Portal Mario is not HS Mario.

We can talk about context, which you swung and missed on in your example, and the context for Miami is that we are down to the wire on 2 of 3 of the positions of dire need and we have missed on most of our top options. Now once again, it doesnt mean Miami is trash in the portal, it just means that we arent elite as we are on the HS side of things. The two positions are DT and WR. At DT we lost two guys in DJ and Miller, and have brought in two guys in Deen and Gore. We wish we could have Miller back at this point. Hopefully we get a Hail Mary on Rose. At WR it doesnt matter who we lost because they were trash but thus far have brought in no one, but lets not make out Kirk to be better than he is. He is a giant question mark. So all in all, I dont need to rate the other teams but I sure as **** know that missing on two of those three, with CB being the other one we hit on, no way no how is Portal recruiting on the same level as HS for us, let alone making an argument that Portal is somehow better.

Lol. I'm happy to reply in detail, but first, again, please simply tell me where you have Miami ranked against other programs for the 2023 portal season. Include who teams lost and wanted to keep, and who they got.

Or are you going to duck that simple question for a 3rd time?

 

[bobbydigius]

Lol. I'm happy to reply in detail, but first, again, please simply tell me where you have Miami ranked against other programs for the 2023 portal season. Include who teams lost and wanted to keep, and who they got.

Or are you going to duck that simple question for a 3rd time?

The question is irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is Miami portal vs HS. You are trying to steer the conversation in a different direction. As of this moment I don’t have us as a top 10 class for reasons explained.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

The question is irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion is Miami portal vs HS. You are trying to steer the conversation in a different direction.

Really? I thought the discussion was "Tywone Malone enters the portal" lol. What a lame dodge, dude. You recruit against other teams. The discussion is Miami recruiting.

So you're really not going to answer? You're going to dodge the question and continue to manipulate and twist the facts because you can't stand the fact that Mario is actually doing well in the portal? You just can't even say it, can you lol? You'd literally rather rail on Mario than be wrong on an anonymous message board. This place is wild.

Ok buddy, new question, new subject!

Hey, @bobbydigius my good friend and fellow Cane, where do you have Miami ranked against other programs for the 2023 portal season. Include who teams lost and wanted to keep, and who they got please! Would love to hear your thoughts.

 

[Bender]

Kinda like high school recruiting huh? Lol

Correct, except the ones we recruited have started to hit the starting lineup during fall practice and look like studs.

But sure, if we want to do it your way, lets do it your way correctly: Lets hold grades and evals till January 2024 when the season is almost done?