DT Tywone Malone enters Portal

[mirvin88]

I'm counting 7 total bodies, not counting Mesidor sliding inside at times

LT, JHH, Deen, Lichtenstein, Moten, Gore, Horton. Moten is the heaviest in the 320 range. We definitely need another guy

Bain can slide inside. Still need at least 1 more though I agree.

 

[Cribby]

Care to expound on WR? I know Kirk visited, how does the staff feel about him? Ive mentioned as have others its hard to get a feel on a JUCO kid's talent, appears we did well there last year with Young. Is there someone else?

Kirk still sounds positive unless a team jumped in late. Harrell is still possible.

 

[bobbydigius]

It’s been kinda identical hasnt it?

I mean adjusting for the fact that there aren’t many elite talents in the portal and it’s more roster gap fillers than securing potential future pillars of the program

We’ve secured a couple of the portals best OL and whiffed on DT and WR

Just like recruiting

I believe that HS recruiting has been superior to portal recruiting. We have landed some nice pieces but not to the equivalent weight as the 23 HS cycle. Also, we missed on an outside WR in that class which we needed bad, but we got talented slot guys in Ray Ray and Robbie. DT wise, Horton is a net positive at least. Gore aint it and while Deen is a nice piece he gets negated because we lost DJ.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

If we finish with Sam, Kirk and Nixon, I’d go B range. Add a DT that isn’t dog ***** and I’ll bump it to B+.

Yeah, we have to get at least one DT and one WR to get to a B+, as anyone we get will be imperfect.

Then, we'd need to see 2023 on-field performance to potentially give a retroactive grade-change to something in the A range.

 

[Cribby]

If we're talking about the kid from LaTech, I disagree. Yeah, he's a JAG, but we NEED a dude like that because we have very little behind JHH/LT - especially at that size. Would you say this kid is better than Jake? I'd say so, definitely.

LT and Deen are the only guys who’s been above average / to good in their careers. Moten has upside but he’s unproven. JHH is what he is.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Kirk still sounds positive unless a team jumped in late. Harrell is still possible.

Please, Harrell, heal. Please heal.

 

[CanesDynasty]

Bain can slide inside. Still need at least 1 more though I agree.

Did Anez Cooper play DT in high school? Not sure if he can tackle, but he can definitely move people. Seems like a guy who would be considered if there was an injury to one of the top 3 DT's

 

[bobbydigius]

I'm counting 7 total bodies, not counting Mesidor sliding inside at times

LT, JHH, Deen, Lichtenstein, Moten, Gore, Horton. Moten is the heaviest in the 320 range. We definitely need another guy

Lichtenstein is a tweeter and just too weak to be used outside of obvious passing situations which even then he is meh at best.

 

[bobbydigius]

Please, Harrell, heal. Please heal.

A healthy Harrell would be awesome.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

So to be clear, you think portal recruiting has gone as well as HS recruiting?

You could make a sound statistical case that its going even better. Like I said, we have the 3rd best class by quality (we were 6th in HS recruiting) and we are probably the #1 team in America (unresearched) when it comes to retaining players we want to keep - or at the very least, the staff has done an incredible job there.

The problem is you guys are looking at the portal like it's HS recruiting. Like you can go out and recruit a "full class" that addresses all your needs. It's a completely different animal and people don't understand it yet. I get it, people are lazy, thoughtless, and this amount of activity is a new thing. The numbers just aren't there in the portal. This isn't Playstation. It's about comps.

Go comp what Miami has pulled in and what they (haven't) lost with other teams in the country and you tell me where you think Miami would net out and rank in the "portal season." Additions minus subtractions. You will be incredibly pleased with your new perspective.

And again, we're not done yet.

 

[Derrick Griffin]

As more time passes it get more painful knowing that Justin Rogers would be in uniform here if admin wouldn't have gotten in the way. He is the EXACT body we need.

 

[mlw352]

If we get the guys expected on top of what we’ve landed it’s a B+ haul with a lot of quality. DT might be the spot we didn’t get what we wanted ( not over ) but other than that we nailed the portal. If people are ripping that they just have an ulterior motive.

Defensive tackle and another starter at lb with maybe one more big corner would make me feel very good about our defense for next year

 

[JHallCanes]

I believe that HS recruiting has been superior to portal recruiting. We have landed some nice pieces but not to the equivalent weight as the 23 HS cycle. Also, we missed on an outside WR in that class which we needed bad, but we got talented slot guys in Ray Ray and Robbie. DT wise, Horton is a net positive at least. Gore aint it and while Deen is a nice piece he gets negated because we lost DJ.

I think we probably agree on this

People are forgetting how maddening our recruiting was whiffing on top end talent at positions of need

Same thing is happening in the portal it’s just that the talent is much less in the portal

 

[Cribby]

DT is one position you can’t depend on in the portal. Those guys tend to stay where they are. Osu going hard for Malone just shows you how valuable a dt is. He’s been an average player in college but the Pickens are even slimmer in the portal versus HS. Just another reason why I say spend big on the trenches. Other positions are easier to find.

 

[mlw352]

DT is one position you can’t depend on in the portal. Those guys tend to stay where they are. Osu going hard for Malone just shows you how valuable a dt is. He’s been an average player in college but the Pickens are even slimmer in the portal versus HS. Just another reason why I say spend big on the trenches. Other positions are easier to find.

He could’ve helped us tremendously man it sucks he’s going to Ohio state him and rose plus Moten would’ve had us sitting nicely

 

[Warrior808]

I'm counting 7 total bodies, not counting Mesidor sliding inside at times

LT, JHH, Deen, Lichtenstein, Moten, Gore, Horton. Moten is the heaviest in the 320 range. We definitely need another guy

Yeah I hate taking transfers that are not projected to be impact player but at this point we do need more bodies. As it stands now we wont even have a scout team DL for the offense to practice against.

 

[Kansas Cane]

If we get the guys expected on top of what we’ve landed it’s a B+ haul with a lot of quality. DT might be the spot we didn’t get what we wanted ( not over ) but other than that we nailed the portal. If people are ripping that they just have an ulterior motive.

100% agree.

 

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[skeeter]

. Everything else is TBD and remains to be seen.

Ya that's fair...But I'm not sure that equates to C-

Semantics though I guess.

 

[bobbydigius]

You could make a sound statistical case that its going even better. Like I said, we have the 3rd best class by quality and we are probably the #1 team in America (unresearched) when it comes to retaining players we want to keep - or at the very least, the staff has done an incredible job there.

The problem is you guys are looking at the portal like it's HS recruiting. Like you can go out and recruit a "full class" that addresses all your needs. It's a completely different animal and people don't understand it yet. I get it, people are lazy, thoughtless, and this amount of activity is a new thing. The numbers just aren't there in the portal. This isn't Playstation. It's about comps.

Go comp what Miami has pulled in and what they (haven't) lost with other teams in the country and you tell me where you think Miami would net out and rank in the "portal season." Additions minus subtractions. You will be incredibly pleased with your new perspective.

And again, we're not done yet.

Stop with that condescending swipes about people not being able to comprehend and being too lazy to discern the difference between the two, they are weak and unfounded especially if those swipes are aimed at me. As I have maintained from the jump and many agree, the portal is supplemental meaning its there to plug holes and any comp is going have to be against whatever the needs of the team are, and in our case those are many. We have had the full offseason to address those needs and we know for sure that we will end up settling on 2 of the major ones, DT and WR. Yes we addressed OL in excellent fashion. We had a very good addition at LB and solidly addressed one of the 3 positions I considered dire needs in CB. I also like the RB pickup. Once again, Im not calling portal recruiting bad but IT IS NOT on the level of what Marion did in the regular cycle and what he is doing in the 24 cycle. HS recruiting is elite level, portal recruiting is decent. There have been numerous DT entries into the portal that would have elevated the room and right now it looks like we will settle, just like we will settle at WR. I dont understand why bringing up these facts gets everyone riled up. Its an objective observation.