Do schools really pay players??

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How do we sign kids who are being recruited by UGA/Clemson/Bama then?
Bags didn't work for them?
They weren't elite enough to receiver bags?

That's your position? If anyone gets offered bags, then everyone must? And there's no difference between kids. There are no kids out there who want to go to a particular school bad enough that they don't take the payout? Sht, you don't think some kids just don't like saban? Or maybe they see how so many bama players end up. That place is littered with former 4/5* kids who spent a career on the bench or got forced out. You don't think any kids see that and figure they have a better shot at Miami?
 
That's your position? If anyone gets offered bags, then everyone must? And there's no difference between kids. There are no kids out there who want to go to a particular school bad enough that they don't take the payout? Sht, you don't think some kids just don't like saban? Or maybe they see how so many bama players end up. That place is littered with former 4/5* kids who spent a career on the bench or got forced out. You don't think any kids see that and figure they have a better shot at Miami?

That's not my position, I was literally asking for a logical explanation.
 

Here's the thing about that SB Nation article. Even if you don't believe it, it's too good an idea for boosters not to try.

What I don't get is, why wouldn't teams find ways to get kids paid? Any of you guys who don't believe in bags, why not? Do you think schools/boosters care about the NCAA or see paying players as a moral problem? Sht no. Humans will use absolutely any advantage they can to win. If bama offers the #1 player money, is UGA going to take the high road and lose? What about osu?
 
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That's not my position, I was literally asking for a logical explanation.
It's not that complicated. Bags are in play. Everywhere. But, not to every kid and not at the same levels. It's not some standardized process. Do we lose kids because we're not maximizing them on the field? Sure. Does Bama get some kids because they produce? Obviously. Do we lose some kids because they prefer to go into a... 'better deal?' You know people. Ask around. This isn't binary.
 
That's not my position, I was literally asking for a logical explanation.

Some kids love Miami or some other school enough to ignore the money. Some kids don't need it and think it's not worth the risk. Some kids don't want to leave home or want to get far from home. Some kids really like this or that coach.

Money isn't at all the only thing. It probably doesn't play into the decisions of 95% of kids...they probably never get the offer. But a lot of the top kids do, and it's one of the reasons we struggle to land those kids.
 
It's not that complicated. Bags are in play. Everywhere. But, not to every kid and not at the same levels. It's not some formulaic process. Do we lose kids because we're not maximizing them on the field? Sure. Does Bama get some kids because they produce? Obviously. Do we lose some kids because they prefer to go into a... 'better deal?' You know people. Ask around. This isn't binary.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist though. I heard about Boston College doing it as recently as last month.

I do feel like it's a tired excuse though.
 
I'm not saying it doesn't exist though. I heard about Boston College doing it as recently as last month.

I do feel like it's a tired excuse though.
I agree it's tired because we could be minimizing some damage by hiring some badass coordinators and coaches who make kids more likely to say "well, I'd still rather go there, or stay home, and ball out and become X" over a better deal elsewhere. Even then, we'd lose some kids.

We could also identify some guys better, too. When we miss on those locally, that's when I really am at a loss.
 
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That ain't why we're losing kids.
This excuse is tired.

Truth.

The funny thing about kids getting paid, it's the ones tryumg to catch up the most doing it rather than those already there.

Still, you will have people on this board acting like everyone is giving out cars and houses like they're giving a box of candy. They will say that the NCAA and its head are in bed with rhe SEC, etc. Truth is, the Feds would be all over that crap. Same with some investigative journalists wanting to make a name for themselves.

I still laugh at a poster who claimed Georgia paid over a million for a recruit. Yup, more than all but a few of the too coordinators and even some head coaches. The sad part, he doubled down on his stupidity.
 
Most big time players are getting "incentives" its not always money. Bagman ain't just handing over cash...they're moving families from Hawaii to Alabama. Or from South Florida to LSU so their parents can get a job conveniently near or on campus. Don't remember what recruit, but he was wanted so badly (by Texas I think?) that he was offered a share in an oil rig company.

Edit: I'll also add, they aren't doing huge things all the times. Some kids get offered "a future job if football fails".

Wasn’t that Rhet Bomar. QB for Oklahoma?
 
I'm not saying it doesn't exist though. I heard about Boston College doing it as recently as last month.

I do feel like it's a tired excuse though.

Teams do it. Tennessee bama and Georgia playing bag game pretty hard. They are smart they look for the right fit when throwing bags. But right now that is not Miami problem
 
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Nothing is more "in play" than us simply being trash on the field.
What I don’t understand about this is why aren’t FSU and UF held to the same standard . Why aren’t they looked at as joke when FSU just went 5-7 and a couple years ago UF went 4-8 and lost to GA Southern . They still don’t have problems beating us for recruits even when they’re straight trash or barely better than us .
 
I saw it happen in basketball more than 35 years ago when I was a student at USC. We had a premier recruit named Dwayne Polee switch to UNLV during the final days after he had been a sworn USC commit for more than a year. Everyone knew Tarkanian bought him. I called the UNLV athletic department as sportswriter for the Daily Trojan covering the basketball team. Tarkanian refused to speak to me but they put an assistant coach on the phone. He basically laughed at me. His attitude was unmistakable..."Prove it."

Roughly 15 years later I had the proof. I had a friend named Billy Hungrecker who had been a Philadelphia high school hoops legend and briefly played at UNLV in the late '70s/early '80s under Tarkanian. Billy was working in the Imperial Palace sportsbook when I was working at the Horseshoe. Anyway, when I mentioned the Polee situation from that era, Billy really perked up: "Wait a minute. I heard that story. We did buy him. There's an old booster who comes in here all the time. When I see him I'll introduce you. I'm sure he'll tell the story."

Keep in mind this was after Tarkanian had been forced out. The old boosters were forced out also, as UNLV tried to clean up under Rollie Massomino.

Sure enough, one night Billy enthusiastically waved me over to the sportsbook counter. The booster was there and it was like a scene out of a movie. He had a big belly and bigger hat. Perfect stereotype of a booster. Billy prompted me to tell the story. I didn't finish before the booster cut me off: "Oh sure. I remember that kid. Cost us 25. Plus a car. Oh, and a scholarship for his sister. Good kid but he wasn't worth a ****. Not here anyway. The kid, I'm talking about. No idea about his sister."

I was in disbelief while taking it all in. Billy was laughing in hysterics while pointing at the booster. "See! See! I told 'ya. I told 'ya he'd know."

I asked the booster to slow down and decipher for me. Turned out it cost $25,000 to buy Dwayne Polee away from USC. The rest is self explanatory...the car and the scholarship for the sister. The booster tried to remember what type of car it was, and how it was acquired. But he said he was fuzzy on that because cars were common gifts but they made sure to cover tracks by not using the same method or dealer more than once.

I have told that story on many sites, including the USC basketball forum. It was greeted awkwardly there because Dwayne Polee not only had a prominent son who was also a star player, but at the time I told the story the senior Polee was director of basketball operations at USC.

Tough luck. I wasn't going to suppress the information and no one from USC attempted to deny or deflect.

It happened as described.

However, as Coach Macho emphasized...it is a tired excuse. Certainly there are examples. Dwayne Polee was ultra elite and had a firm destination. It took bags to pry him away. But posters here routinely use bags to explain everyone we lose, and that is laughable.

If I had to change one thing about the Canes program it would be the addition of an on-campus stadium. I guarantee it would cleanse our recruiting every year and we'd fare better, with less effort. But I'm not going to be dense enough to pretend it is the explanation for every decommitment. This is all about adding a few percent here and there as opposed to sacrificing a few percent. With so many kids legitimately undecided late you can sense how important every variable can be.
 
Also, for people who still think that bagman and paying players don't exist. You must've missed the whole Laremy Tunsil situation...or Ole Miss sanctions
 
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What I don’t understand about this is why aren’t FSU and UF held to the same standard . Why aren’t they looked at as joke when FSU just went 5-7 and a couple years ago UF went 4-8 and lost to GA Southern . They still don’t have problems beating us for recruits even when they’re straight trash or barely better than us .

Because when you have a new coach players tend to give you some slack. Look at how well Richt was able to recruit when he first got here even though we were terrible the last 12 years or so. FSU has only really been bad the last 2 years and Taggert has just been telling the kids " we are building something here wait till I get my players in". He also can show players how he started out with a bad record as USF and at WKU, but he built those programs up and players buy that. If Taggert still sucks after year 3 players will stop buying it. Taggert also is known for being a great recruiter without bags. Mork has used bags his ENTIRE time as a HC at UGA. He has no idea how to recruit without bags.

UF is smart enough to fire their coaches relatively quickly. Muschamp only got 3 full seasons and Mac only got 2 full seasons and by the end of both those coaches time they were not recruiting well at all. Do you remember how much people where making fun of the Gators recruting class last year before Mac got fired? It was horrible. If they didn't fire Mac they would have had a class similar to ours and Mac actually won the SECE back to back years which is a lot more impressive than winning the coastal once. Now Mullen is playing in a ny6 bowl so obviously recruits will come pouring in like they did for us last year.
 
Man Nolan Smith posted a video with a 60-80k Ford Raptor today or last night...you really need to ask this?

But, but, but I was told by a certain moderator that it’s all Tuition money in which they can choose to use the way they want.
 
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